Sat Nov 6, 2021, 03:32 PM
Compare my post from 2 days ago to comments being made todaybluewater (4,930 posts) Thu Nov 4, 2021, 12:33 PM I'm staying positive and will support President Biden's agenda & how he must implement it. President Biden has consistently tried to get Senator Manchin and Senator Sinema on board and has made compromises to appease their concerns. If the President Biden says we should pass the infrastructure bill today, I would say "sure thing" and urge my fellow Progressives to do the same. If President Biden says a 1.75 Build Back Better Bill is the best we can get right now, I will say "fine" again and urge everyone to pass that within weeks at the latest. As a progressive, I feel it is vital that we continue to support the President and whatever he decides his current agenda has to be in the face of current opposition in Congress. Let me climb up on a soap box here and use my prophet-in-the-wilderness voice: Fellow Progressives, don't be left holding the bag as Manchin and Sinema continue to obstruct the President's Build Back Better framework. Don't get blamed for ANY bill not passing. Continue to support the President and his efforts to get both bills passed as soon as possible. And I'll risk saying this.... you know how the blame game works. If a progressive Democrat loses an election, we are told it's because they were too progressive. If a moderate Democrat loses a race, we are told it's because some Democrat, not even a person in a leadership role or holding office or even running for office, said something too progressive. So, let's not get blamed for not supporting the President's stated objectives, even if he has to modify those due to the political balance in Congress. /Preacher Mode OFF   Ok, why did I re-post this besides the obvious need to be self-congratulatory and pat myself on the ass? Because I knew that unwarranted and broad brush criticism would be directed at Progressives here on DU in general. And sure enough I was correct. Today, threads have started up complaining, yes, complaining that "some" unspecified "folks" here on DU are not happy enough that the infrastructure bill passed and are concerned that the Build Back Better bill might not make it thru the Senate. Sarcastic comments like this were made: [they] didn't get the ponies we thought we were promised. Not soon enough, anyhow. I think they're still in a shipping container somewhere.  Ok, are these really the type of comments anyone should be making TODAY when we should be celebrating the BIF bill passing and be coming together, united as Democrats preparing for the 2022 midterms? I think not.
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Author | Time | Post |
 Compare my post from 2 days ago to comments being made today (Original post) |
bluewater | Nov 2021 | OP |
| Tetrachloride | Nov 2021 | #1 | |
| iemanja | Nov 2021 | #2 | |
| bluewater | Nov 2021 | #3 | |
| iemanja | Nov 2021 | #4 | |
| bluewater | Nov 2021 | #5 | |
| iemanja | Nov 2021 | #7 | |
| bluewater | Nov 2021 | #9 | |
| iemanja | Nov 2021 | #10 | |
| bluewater | Nov 2021 | #11 | |
| iemanja | Nov 2021 | #13 | |
| bluewater | Nov 2021 | #16 | |
| iemanja | Nov 2021 | #18 | |
| bluewater | Nov 2021 | #19 | |
| leftstreet | Nov 2021 | #6 | |
| bluewater | Nov 2021 | #8 | |
| iemanja | Nov 2021 | #12 | |
| bluewater | Nov 2021 | #14 | |
| iemanja | Nov 2021 | #15 | |
| bluewater | Nov 2021 | #17 |
Response to bluewater (Original post)
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 03:37 PM
1. When President Biden and Speaker Pelosi say this is the plan, i support it.
Response to bluewater (Original post)
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 03:38 PM
iemanja (52,704 posts)
2. From what I can see
Response to iemanja (Reply #2)
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 03:44 PM
3. "I understand that SOME self-identified progressives interpret everything as a slight"
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And it continues....
When OP's are UNSPECFIC and VAGUE in whom they are referring too but use phrases such as "folks" and, as you just did "SOME self-identified progressives" it's clear that they have no regard about the broad range of fellow Democrats here on DU they are actually smearing with that broad brush. Thank you for so clearly making my point.  |
Response to bluewater (Reply #3)
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 03:45 PM
iemanja (52,704 posts)
4. as you made mine.
Response to iemanja (Reply #4)
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 03:49 PM
5. Unintentional irony?
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Seems so.
Thanks for your responses in this thread, I continue to find them illustrative of the point of my OP. In all sincerity, enjoy your day and thanks for participating in the thread. |
Response to bluewater (Reply #5)
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 03:58 PM
iemanja (52,704 posts)
7. Perhaps you should read your own post
Response to iemanja (Reply #7)
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 04:04 PM
9. The ad hominem attack : "In fact for some like you"
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The last refugee of a failed argument.
But let me memorialize that comment in it's entirity: while only some progressives enjoy feeling aggrieved. In fact for some like you, being a progressive seems to revolve more around that than policy positions.
So, your basic ad hominem attack amplified by projection? And thanks again for continuing to use such a broad brush to smear and vilify a vague and unspecified groupf of fellow Democrats here on DU, it continues to re-enforce the point of my OP. Best regards, |
Response to bluewater (Reply #9)
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 04:05 PM
iemanja (52,704 posts)
10. While I should name specific posters?
Response to iemanja (Reply #10)
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 04:08 PM
11. Why the trepidation? You just attacked me directly.
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Let me repost your personal attack:
while only some progressives enjoy feeling aggrieved. In fact for some like you, being a progressive seems to revolve more around that than policy positions.
Honestly, rudeness like that runs contrary to the spirit of DU being a safe space for ALL Democrats. |
Response to bluewater (Reply #11)
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 04:18 PM
iemanja (52,704 posts)
13. I named you specifically
Response to iemanja (Reply #13)
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 04:31 PM
16. UNFOUNDED ACCUSATION: "You decided that the criticism of the 6 or 7 Democrats who voted against"
Where did you pull that out of? My re-post was of an OP I made BEFORE the vote and URGED all Democrats to vote for and SUPPORT the bill. My comments in the in THIS THREAD were about posters smearing unspecified posters her on DU. If you have ANY LINKS where I even mentioned, let alone defended, anyone who voted AGAINST the bill please post them. In fact, in the interest of fairness, I demand to see links to support your unfounded accusations against me. You are making a strawman argument, another sign of failing to prove your contentions.  |
Response to bluewater (Reply #16)
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 04:45 PM
iemanja (52,704 posts)
18. Here is the link
Response to iemanja (Reply #18)
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 04:59 PM
19. That's not a link by me defending anyone that voted against the bill.
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Last edited Sat Nov 6, 2021, 07:11 PM - Edit history (1) Nor is a link to me criticizing anyone that was dismayed at the 6 Democrats for not voting for the bill.
You seem to have read something into my comments that was not there. In fairness, I can understand how it's easy to make incorrect inferences about my post when so many other threads are being made and discussed. I thought I was being clear, but perhaps not clear enough as witnessed by our exchanges. Again, in all sincerity, thank you for the discussion and enjoy your evening.
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Response to bluewater (Original post)
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 03:54 PM
6. If the BBB dies, the midterms are gone
Response to leftstreet (Reply #6)
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 03:58 PM
8. Thank you. Criticizing specific people for their actions as individuals or as a group is fair.
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Using a broad brush in vague descriptions of fellow posters here on DU seems, well, in a word poisonous.
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Response to bluewater (Reply #8)
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 04:12 PM
iemanja (52,704 posts)
12. You have to know that doesn't extend to the favored politicians
Response to iemanja (Reply #12)
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 04:19 PM
14. WRONG : "the politicians criticized were identified through their votes" So WRONG
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Here is the post those two rude and snide comments were made in, it was not about Politicians but was about unspecified posters here on DU:
Infrastructure Bill Must be a BFD, since folks are calling for Garland's sacking
and claiming that the BBB has no possible chance to pass now. Anything to deflect from a major victory with the Infrastructure vote. If anything good happens, we are sure to hear about all of the bad things that will inevitably happen. Some cannot simply celebrate a victory. They have to attempt to minimize it and point out all of the things that have yet to be done. It's frustrating...to say the least. That's the OP of the thread that these snide and rude comments were made in: [they] didn't get the ponies we thought we were promised. Not soon enough, anyhow. I think they're still in a shipping container somewhere. Sigh.
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Response to iemanja (Reply #15)
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 04:37 PM
17. Thank you.
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In the interests of civility, let me thank you for participating in this thread.
And pardon me for not wanting to take this thread off on a tangent. Perhaps I could have been more clear and perhaps you could have read what I actually wrote more closely, let's leave it at that. Thanks for the discussion. |
