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Hotler

(13,747 posts)
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 10:55 AM Nov 2021

This should scare the crap out of everyone.

Trump's ex-communications director has warned that if the former president wins a 2nd term he would establish an autocracy in the US. The thought of the Trump family ruling over the U.S. for the next 50-100 yrs.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-ex-communications-director-has-warned-that-if-the-former-president-wins-a-2nd-term-he-would-establish-an-autocracy-in-the-us/ar-AAQonka?li=BBorjTa

DOJ better start finding a way to lock up the fascist or the first people they arrest in 2022 will be the Biden's, Hillary, Nancy, others they will just line them up against a wall. The orange one and that rat fucker DeSantis are vengeful MFer's.

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This should scare the crap out of everyone. (Original Post) Hotler Nov 2021 OP
Well that's not surprising to most of us here. honest.abe Nov 2021 #1
+1 2naSalit Nov 2021 #5
The night HRC beat him by 3 million votes. niyad Nov 2021 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #22
Surreal moments shortly before the Republican convention when Hortensis Nov 2021 #12
And that's one of the reasons why I subscribed to the Post a few years ago. greatauntoftriplets Nov 2021 #18
Remembering WaPo broke the NYT's massive deception Hortensis Nov 2021 #20
tRump 10-2-20 multigraincracker Nov 2021 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #28
Hennny Penny sez the sky is falling down! marble falls Nov 2021 #3
Not worried. He wouldn't make it through primaries. Of course, some GOPer as bad - or worse - might. Hoyt Nov 2021 #4
i'm not worried AnnetteChaffee Nov 2021 #10
We are now how many years into the Thousand Year Reich? PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2021 #6
Why? Alpeduez21 Nov 2021 #7
None of the other countries you've named had 200 plus years of PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2021 #17
Because we would be closer to what Germany was in the 1930's than any of the other countries ... Caliman73 Nov 2021 #38
Well he does love North Korea NowISeetheLight Nov 2021 #8
He loves viciously ruthless absolute dictators. His followers who do also Hortensis Nov 2021 #15
If we lose the the house and the senate in 2022 Javaman Nov 2021 #9
I agree. We are in danger already. Haggard Celine Nov 2021 #13
Noooo, Trump supporters are armed to the teeth with military grade weapons hadEnuf Nov 2021 #14
Yeah, they would never bring out those weapons Haggard Celine Nov 2021 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #23
I pointed that fact out to my Fox-watching dad yesterday. Haggard Celine Nov 2021 #25
Yep. Wouldn't want to accuse the party that always accuses Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2021 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #32
Yep. Victims-R-Us should be the the R party's official slogan. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2021 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #39
If Trump wins in 2024 gab13by13 Nov 2021 #19
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Since he tried to do it the first time he was in, that's totally believable jmowreader Nov 2021 #21
Yup. Ligyron Nov 2021 #40
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Neither were the Germans who failed to stop Hitler from Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2021 #30
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Right. It seems like the great majority of Americans simply Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2021 #34
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Like you, I hope it won't come to that, but it would be a Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2021 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #42
Ikr? These self-declared "patriots" don't even understand Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2021 #43
The trump family ruling over the USA isn't much different than the Murdock family ruling over the BComplex Nov 2021 #26
More worried JustAnotherGen Nov 2021 #36
Turd Reich Kid Berwyn Nov 2021 #44
Something that always bothers me... WarGamer Nov 2021 #45
 

honest.abe

(9,238 posts)
1. Well that's not surprising to most of us here.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 11:01 AM
Nov 2021

In fact that was my fear from the very beginning the night he won in Nov 2016.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. Surreal moments shortly before the Republican convention when
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 12:45 PM
Nov 2021

it really hit me that RW voters were going to put this wannabe-monster only one election away from the presidency.

A great deal has been written now, by many expects around the planet, about the very grave danger we're in. The Washington Post changed the slogan at the top of its front page to "Democracy Dies in Darkness" shortly after tRump entered the WH.

"Democracy Dies" Incredible that this warning is blaring here.


greatauntoftriplets

(179,005 posts)
18. And that's one of the reasons why I subscribed to the Post a few years ago.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:17 PM
Nov 2021

That line says it all.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
20. Remembering WaPo broke the NYT's massive deception
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:30 PM
Nov 2021

suggesting the FBI's Trump-Russia investigation hadn't found anything and inferring it was about to wrap up -- instead of expanding, with 100s of agents assigned. This big article supposedly summarized the topic for voters right before the election.

Of course the NYT was smearing Hillary and the Democratic Party and promoting Republicans very systematically all along. My husband and I knew that, even counted the dishonestly negative headlines many days, then looking to see how they covered their "reputational ass" in the articles -- for those who opened them.

But we didn't cancel until after the election. And kept the WaPo.

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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. Not worried. He wouldn't make it through primaries. Of course, some GOPer as bad - or worse - might.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 11:24 AM
Nov 2021

AnnetteChaffee

(1,980 posts)
10. i'm not worried
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 12:33 PM
Nov 2021

he is a one trick pony and we have all seen his comedy show of a run for office. He is gonna get up there and call people names - , he is gonna say that we are going to build the wall again, again , the foreigners are gonna get us! , there are CARAVANS a-comin I tell ya! Save America!

have i missed anything?

oh! and he is the best at (fill in the blank), nobody knows more than him on (fill in the blank), and whatever the hell other lies fall out of his mouth.

I don't think it will happen because I don't think he can physically/mentally do it. there is a long time between now and then and many lawsuits headed his way, and headed toward his family and his crime circle.

but we came close to a catastrophe and we better make sure that it doesn't happen again.
annette

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,493 posts)
6. We are now how many years into the Thousand Year Reich?
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 11:28 AM
Nov 2021

Even if they somehow managed to achieve that, their autocracy would last less than a decade.

Alpeduez21

(2,053 posts)
7. Why?
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 12:01 PM
Nov 2021

“The 1000 year Reich” was ended by foreign intervention. Not by internal forces. Iran has a pretty dictatorship. Saudi Arabia has a pretty good dictatorship. Russia has a pretty good dictatorship. Turkey has a pretty good dictatorship. Lots of dictatorships seem to doing well in Africa. Democrats have shown themselves to be very inadequate holds against authoritarian power grabs. Strongly worded tweets and belief in the system prevailing have been pretty pathetic at stopping the repuke power grabs

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,493 posts)
17. None of the other countries you've named had 200 plus years of
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:02 PM
Nov 2021

a reasonably representative democracy before the current dictators took power.

Plus, Germany and Hitler brought about its own downfall by declaring war on everyone.

I actually have a lot more faith in this country's survival than most people, apparently. Plus, I'm old enough to recall that since practically forever, definitely starting with FDR, people have been predicting the imminent downfall of this democracy almost constantly.

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
38. Because we would be closer to what Germany was in the 1930's than any of the other countries ...
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 05:40 PM
Nov 2021

Iran, Saudi Arabia, and even Russia are regional powers at best. Russia is only still relevant because they possess the nuclear weapons of the Soviet Union. If not for that, they would barely be able to hold their own Federation together. Those powers are able to move about because they do not present an imminent threat to the world at this time. A fascist United States, with our ability to project our strength basically anywhere in the world in a matter of hours, would be a threat to the peace of the entire world. A fascist United States would be expansionist, with the actual ability to expand by force.

There would be war in a matter of a decade, both internal and external.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. He loves viciously ruthless absolute dictators. His followers who do also
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 12:57 PM
Nov 2021

also really should take a look at the people of those countries, their wannabe counterparts. But won't, of course.

Dictators must be feared by "my people." And those dictated to must be too both too afraid and too oppressed to cause trouble, such as by daring to object to anything.

North Korea's once again suffering from famine, with mass death from starvation and exposure to cold this winter already beginning.

Haggard Celine

(17,821 posts)
13. I agree. We are in danger already.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 12:52 PM
Nov 2021

If Democrats don't go to the polls like they did in 2020, it's going to be ugly. I fully expect them to use every underhanded trick they can think of to win that election. There's going to be intimidation at the polls and lots of challenges to the results in places where they don't win. If we win, I expect them to come out of the woodwork and try to take over any way they can. If they win, we'll be on our way to dictatorship. It's going to be bad either way.

hadEnuf

(3,616 posts)
14. Noooo, Trump supporters are armed to the teeth with military grade weapons
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 12:54 PM
Nov 2021

because they are "enthusiasts", that's all.

Haggard Celine

(17,821 posts)
16. Yeah, they would never bring out those weapons
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:00 PM
Nov 2021

they've been dying to use to try and install their messiah as king. They're totally law-abiding.

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Haggard Celine

(17,821 posts)
25. I pointed that fact out to my Fox-watching dad yesterday.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:56 PM
Nov 2021

He's usually good about not watching it while I'm there, but yesterday it was on when I got there. It was ridiculous, the things they were saying.

The Virginia election is a sign of things to come, but they need to do a recount in NJ. I asked him why the Republican in NJ wasn't conceding. He was short about as many votes as the Democrat in VA was. He said, "well, I think he just wants to wait until all the votes are counted. There are still some out there." I said not enough to make a difference in the outcome.

I said that I hope this is not going to be a regular thing now, for Republicans to whine that the Democrats cheated every time the Republican loses. So not long after that, he turned the news off.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,484 posts)
29. Yep. Wouldn't want to accuse the party that always accuses
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 04:20 AM
Nov 2021

others of the very crime they're committing of committing that crime.

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Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,484 posts)
33. Yep. Victims-R-Us should be the the R party's official slogan.
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 10:16 AM
Nov 2021

Until wealthy Ds are willing to put at least twice the amount of resources as Rs put into dishonest propaganda behind a massive counter-campaign compellingly telling the truths that disprove RW lies, Rs will will continue to profit financially & benefit politically from their long-standing, multi-media blitzkrieg of BS.

But, few powerful Ds seem to understand (or care) that this is one of the most important fronts in this epic battle.

Yet, now that so many R-controlled state legislatures have siezed the power to legally steal every election from now on, I can't help feeling it may already be too late to save our country from a swift and complete fascist takeover.

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gab13by13

(32,321 posts)
19. If Trump wins in 2024
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:25 PM
Nov 2021

he won't just go after Biden, Hillary, and Nancy. His first step will be to get control of the military and if that happens no one on the left is safe. It will be a Pinocet style takeover.

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jmowreader

(53,194 posts)
21. Since he tried to do it the first time he was in, that's totally believable
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:30 PM
Nov 2021

Given that, I think they won’t run Trump next time. They will probably run one of the Trumpite governors like DeSantis or Northam, and Trump will give him marching orders.

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Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,484 posts)
34. Right. It seems like the great majority of Americans simply
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 10:38 AM
Nov 2021

will not/can not accept that it can happen here.

I know I repeat myself, in asking, but I must inquire--what do they think most Americans are going to do affter Rs simply declare R candidates the winners in every election from now on and then begin to impose brutal subjugation on those not loyal to Dear Leader?

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Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,484 posts)
41. Like you, I hope it won't come to that, but it would be a
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 07:03 PM
Nov 2021

dream come true for an increasing number of Rs. It may not even be necessary to bring in foreign troops.

Their party is now made up largely of a Trump cult who enjoy being violent & cruel and are proud of it. They see themselves as justified crusaders for a glorious cause. History shows us how far such people will go.

I suspect their Dear Leader will become increasingly vocal and public with his orders for them to increase such behaviors.

He & other elected officials loyal to him have already led a coup attempt for which It's looking quite clear neither he nor they will suffer any consequences. How can we fail to see what this portends?

Presumably Rs will continue to enact more legalized election theft for themselves. Bcause so many Americans aren't informed enough to see that as a quiet coup, there won't be enough resistance to stop or reverse the power grab.

Those who do resist will be be subject to increasingly brutal police & military suppression. Much of the media will justify & support the strong arm tactics, so most Americans won't object.

By 2024, after the states with majority R legislatures hand TFG the presidency, the violent suppression of resistance will ramp up along with the brutal persecution of "undesirables."

Even as I don't truly believe this scenario will come about, I can't find a realistic, logical argument that it won't.

Maybe the fact that the past 20 months of my life have been the worst of my life--truly tragic in multiple ways--clouds my judgement, but I don't think that explains away the looming dystopia I fear.

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Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,484 posts)
43. Ikr? These self-declared "patriots" don't even understand
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 08:12 PM
Nov 2021

how our system of government is legally structured and don't fucking care. Their hero they elected & insist is still rightfully POTUS knows virtually nothing about the US Constitution & cares even less.

They define America by it's worst aspects & actions and swear to violently protect & defend the most dishonest & dishonorable of them.

We were too quick to forgive & forget the last bloody rebellion and it's had a lot to do with what's wrong with US now.

BComplex

(9,914 posts)
26. The trump family ruling over the USA isn't much different than the Murdock family ruling over the
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 04:56 PM
Nov 2021

media. We've been heading down that road for 20 years.

JustAnotherGen

(38,054 posts)
36. More worried
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 03:15 PM
Nov 2021

That someone will 'polish up the appearance and language' -

And sneak in the back door.

WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
45. Something that always bothers me...
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 08:24 PM
Nov 2021

The DA, the DoJ, the AG... the Courts...

None of them LOCK PEOPLE UP.



People are locked up when a jury of one's peers decides that someone committed a crime. This goes back to the Magna Carta at least...

I hate the concept that the Government is this all powerful omnipresent power like the Stasi or Gestapo that can "lock you up".

Other than that, you're dead-on and I can't disagree.

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