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babylonsister

(171,208 posts)
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 12:18 PM Nov 2021

Legal Advocates Call For Merrick Garland To Resign For Not Prosecuting Trump

https://www.politicususa.com/2021/11/06/legal-advocates-call-for-merrick-garland-to-resign-for-not-prosecuting-trump.html


Posted on Sat, Nov 6th, 2021 by Jason Easley
Legal Advocates Call For Merrick Garland To Resign For Not Prosecuting Trump
The non-partisan legal advocacy group Free Speech For People is calling on Attorney General Merrick Garland to resign because Trump has not been prosecuted.

Group Calls For Merrick Garland To Resign

The group Free Speech For People wrote in part in a statement provided to PoliticusUSA:

Garland’s failures have not been limited to Trump. He has failed to investigate Members of Congress who appear to have helped plan the January 6 insurrection, including Rep. Paul Gosar (Ariz.), Rep. Lauren Boebert (Colo.), Rep. Mo Brooks( Ala.), Rep. Madison Cawthorn (N.C.), Rep. Andy Biggs (Ariz.), Rep. Louie Gohmert (Texas), and Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (Ga.).

Meanwhile, DOJ inexcusably sat on its hands since a bipartisan majority of the House of Representatives voted on October 21 to hold Steve Bannon in contempt of Congress for defying a subpoena from the January 6 committee. The last time that the House referred a contempt of Congress charge to DOJ, then-President Reagan’s prosecutors immediately brought the matter to a grand jury; it returned an indictment just nine days after the House vote.

Furthermore, Garland’s failures have not been limited to inaction. He has actively defended or continued many Trump-era DOJ policies, including the coverup of the key DOJ legal memo regarding Trump’s obstruction of justice, and defending Trump’s libel of a rape victim by claiming that he did so “within the scope of his office as President of the United States.”

For all these reasons, Garland is no longer fit to serve as Attorney General. His previous record of federal service should not blind us to the fact that he is simply the wrong person for this job at this time. Perhaps he can still contribute to the country in other ways. But as long as Trump and his co-conspirators walk free, American democracy is in danger. We need an Attorney General who understands that danger and is willing to take action to protect democracy and the rule of law. Merrick Garland must resign.


The Justice Department’s slow reaction to the referral of Steve Bannon for criminal prosecution is harming the 1/6 Committee’s investigation and giving a green light to coup plotters to refuse to cooperate.

Merrick Garland is by all accounts a good person, but there are concerns that he has been away from DOJ for too long, and the Justice Department that he remembers is not the same as the broken department in desperate need of reform and repair that he is running now.

Patience on the left is wearing thin with the Attorney General, and for every good move that he has made to protect voting rights, the elephant in the room is Trump and the DOJ’s lack of action in response to the 1/6 attack.
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Legal Advocates Call For Merrick Garland To Resign For Not Prosecuting Trump (Original Post) babylonsister Nov 2021 OP
Either he doesn't know how to prosecute Trump & Co. no_hypocrisy Nov 2021 #1
I was thinking about the death threats he's most certainly getting... BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2021 #5
The FBI is his friend, if only he would ask... RainCaster Nov 2021 #12
Haa BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2021 #57
After 4 years of tRump... diverdownjt Nov 2021 #137
The FBI? Could Wray be part of the problem? wnylib Nov 2021 #157
I'll bet neither. George II Nov 2021 #23
So you're accusing Garland of intentionally refusing to prosecute for personal reasons. brooklynite Nov 2021 #63
I blame the annoying culture of US government moving "slowly and deliberately". Progressive Jones Nov 2021 #80
And some things require a law degree, passing the bar exam, being appointed to the job and littlemissmartypants Nov 2021 #107
Alrighty, then... nt Progressive Jones Nov 2021 #112
I will apologize for the sharp tone of that "rebuke" to you, above. Grasswire2 Nov 2021 #129
Oh, I can take it. The irony of the individuals' name is hilarious! LOL ! nt Progressive Jones Nov 2021 #130
I find the idea that Garland is somehow derelect in his duty ridiculous. I expect Trump covered Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #151
Let's remember what happen to Mueller. He was thought to be THE man to investgate Russia. usaf-vet Nov 2021 #97
Mueller - dementia? That's the first I've heard of this Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2021 #138
It was and is my impression that it was a possible explaination of his poor showing in the hearing. usaf-vet Nov 2021 #146
Very interesting Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2021 #149
Before he was on the bench soldierant Nov 2021 #121
Not long before this post gets alerted and taken down. DU is chock full of Garland apologists. PSPS Nov 2021 #2
You will never see a post like this make, gab13by13 Nov 2021 #16
I apologize. gab13by13 Nov 2021 #25
Why? Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2021 #133
I support your comment, hate for it to be true because I want the MFs to be indicted and prosecuted Escurumbele Nov 2021 #18
Well said! BigmanPigman Nov 2021 #127
it doesn't help that americans allow 1500 coordinated russian-influenced fascist-serving radio sta certainot Nov 2021 #145
I am not happy at all with what I view as Garland "dragging his feet", especially in regard to JohnSJ Nov 2021 #44
Thank you. Different POVs are allowed here babylonsister Nov 2021 #114
I wholeheartedly agree JohnSJ Nov 2021 #116
Very true. nt SylviaD Nov 2021 #50
DURec leftstreet Nov 2021 #3
Starting to feel like Holder and the Banksters after the 2008 meltdown. Lots of talk but no action. jalan48 Nov 2021 #4
+1 Sneederbunk Nov 2021 #48
Yup. (n/t) SMC22307 Nov 2021 #49
I'm not on the anti-Garland bandwagon, but was just thinking the same thing re: Holder. Politicub Nov 2021 #61
"It's a big club & you ain't in it." Carlin -nt CrispyQ Nov 2021 #78
This is exactly what will come to be with Garland. nt Earth-shine Nov 2021 #108
Indeed. It surely does. Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #110
45 and Barr packed the DoJ. Prosecuting someone is not a jerkjerk kind of operation ... marble falls Nov 2021 #6
+1. that's good! -(nt)- stopdiggin Nov 2021 #9
Why not let a grand jury decide? gab13by13 Nov 2021 #20
you got it right! agingdem Nov 2021 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #68
not everything... agingdem Nov 2021 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #79
December 31, 2021 agingdem Nov 2021 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #103
yeah, I can see how the confirmation process in THIS Senate will go for Yates or Preet. msfiddlestix Nov 2021 #119
Why not develop a case first. There's plenty of evidence, and we know several jurisdictions ... marble falls Nov 2021 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #70
x1000! Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #111
Damn straight! Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2021 #134
By now Garland should have cleaned up all the trash Barr left behind, that is not an excuse Escurumbele Nov 2021 #26
I have to agree DENVERPOPS Nov 2021 #55
Very well put, it was enhanced by the "Reagan Revolution" it it nastier now, but the Escurumbele Nov 2021 #59
Thank you DENVERPOPS Nov 2021 #71
Garland is burying his head in the sand. Another 'Neville Chamberlain'. triron Nov 2021 #94
Remember "Merry Fitzmas"? Another wasted exercise to circumvent justice. Like Holder, and Mueller... Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #113
I can't recall DENVERPOPS Nov 2021 #159
This one landed with a big nothing too. Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #161
Part of the trash is FBI Director Wray. wnylib Nov 2021 #158
So *bleeping* what? Garland's the head of the DOJ... his underlings need to fall in line. SMC22307 Nov 2021 #53
The not only packed/loaded the DOJ with subverters, they loaded the IRS, USPS, DOA .. live love laugh Nov 2021 #124
If 45 were black then .... comes to mind, I don't believe for a second DoJ can't move when it wants uponit7771 Nov 2021 #140
As others have said, he would probably be more suited for SCOTUS than US Attorney General. RKP5637 Nov 2021 #7
Too much time already. Bannon should have been arrested several days ago. triron Nov 2021 #11
Yep, agree ... n/t RKP5637 Nov 2021 #89
We are running out of time, TRIRON is correct, Bannon should be in jail by now. Escurumbele Nov 2021 #30
Yes!!!! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2021 #90
I used to make the same argument skydive forever Nov 2021 #37
Funny I was going to use that phrase as well. triron Nov 2021 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #72
How about: DENVERPOPS Nov 2021 #73
Yep, I was trying to give benefit of doubt, you are correct, there's a string of RKP5637 Nov 2021 #92
never heard of this group ... stopdiggin Nov 2021 #8
I'm wondering why this 'opinion' comes to rest on this site? Garland has done a LOT without.... George II Nov 2021 #21
I was trying to thread the needle stopdiggin Nov 2021 #29
That is not how republican attorney generals operate, they move fast, if Bannon were a Democrat Escurumbele Nov 2021 #32
IMO, 2022 voter enthusiasm will be based largely on if the dems hold Trump & cronies accountable. CrispyQ Nov 2021 #82
Agree 100% with you, Dems better wake up Escurumbele Nov 2021 #85
One more thing, and how many of those subpoenas have been enforced? Why is Bannon still at large? Escurumbele Nov 2021 #41
+1 live love laugh Nov 2021 #123
I was curious about them, too Sympthsical Nov 2021 #22
The clock is ticking. bluesbassman Nov 2021 #10
They seem to be claiming that he is not in action on this behind the scenes... wondering what JudyM Nov 2021 #14
Yes. This is time sensitive Poiuyt Nov 2021 #19
When his timetable runs into next year, he'll claim it's too close to an election. sop Nov 2021 #67
Exactly! Poiuyt Nov 2021 #87
Well put...the question is, is he painting himself in a corner on purpose? Escurumbele Nov 2021 #34
When they ask people if the country is going in the wrong direction... Cobalt Violet Nov 2021 #13
Holder was extremely weak. Failed to prosecute and it hurt the country badly. Looks like Garland is ratchiweenie Nov 2021 #15
Quite frankly I'm starting to wonder if he is up to the job. hadEnuf Nov 2021 #17
Like many other DU'ers, I'm content to wait and wait and wait Mr. Ected Nov 2021 #24
Garland has turned out. Snackshack Nov 2021 #27
He won't do it, but he should...DOJ is letting us as country down again and again RANDYWILDMAN Nov 2021 #31
What happened to "NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW" ??? TeamProg Nov 2021 #33
Just a saying.. BlueJac Nov 2021 #83
Yeah i know, same here.. n/t TeamProg Nov 2021 #100
What do you get when you add a legal advocacy group and a dime? gulliver Nov 2021 #35
Garland may be getting his cues from Biden, who said he was not keen on Texin Nov 2021 #36
Bingo LiberalLovinLug Nov 2021 #52
Mike Lee the Republican Senator from Utah, gab13by13 Nov 2021 #75
I accept that a "fear of retaliation" may indeed be a motivator here, Orrex Nov 2021 #58
Without a doubt. Daylight is burning and time is a wastin' Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #115
Agreed Orrex Nov 2021 #118
that's complete bull- shit , need to get after this crap & end it ! period ! monkeyman1 Nov 2021 #69
And by the way, most of us have spoken about Bannon having to be in jail by now, although Escurumbele Nov 2021 #38
I want to hear some explanation from the DOJ C_U_L8R Nov 2021 #39
Why isn't Steve Bannon in jail? Glaisne Nov 2021 #40
I truly believe everything will fall into place at the right time. secondwind Nov 2021 #43
👍 Joinfortmill Nov 2021 #102
If Trump and his minions were black "the right time" would've been 6 months ago. I just can't uponit7771 Nov 2021 #142
Absofuckingloutely! SheltieLover Nov 2021 #45
Everything else is just background noise until Steve Bannon is in jail for ignoring his subpoena. TheRickles Nov 2021 #46
Blah blah blah... NurseJackie Nov 2021 #47
If Trump and his minions were Muslim there'd be no post like this on DU, we'd be more concerned uponit7771 Nov 2021 #143
Nonsense. NurseJackie Nov 2021 #144
I have several concerns with Garland's DOJ. Lonestarblue Nov 2021 #54
Garland is not a moderate HootieMcBoob Nov 2021 #141
Sad but true Sewa Nov 2021 #154
He is a good man but AG is the wrong job especially when the rule of law is being Pepsidog Nov 2021 #56
A good man is one who has courage to do what is right, the other is a coward, I don't know that Escurumbele Nov 2021 #65
My first post 👋 RDJackson Nov 2021 #60
Democratic messaging is lacking. Nothing is self-evident these days. hadEnuf Nov 2021 #66
👍 Joinfortmill Nov 2021 #104
We shouldn't have to be asking these questions about Garland. hadEnuf Nov 2021 #62
It's more of a mess than appears on the surface of his inaction. SayItLoud Nov 2021 #64
I agree bucolic_frolic Nov 2021 #74
As much as I would Garland to act now , there's too much we don't know yet, duforsure Nov 2021 #77
Yeah, right. (sarcasm) triron Nov 2021 #95
👍 Joinfortmill Nov 2021 #105
This "Free Speech for People" group is probably sincere, but shouldn't they Hortensis Nov 2021 #81
I've been trying to be patient Leith Nov 2021 #86
If I recall the talk on Nixon was that it took 2 years, this is so much worse! Brainfodder Nov 2021 #88
...K&R... spanone Nov 2021 #91
Robert Muller and Patrick Fitzgerald redux BComplex Nov 2021 #93
Whatever's going on tRump does NOT seem worried flamingdem Nov 2021 #96
He also let Kevin McCarthy openly threaten private companies Ohioboy Nov 2021 #98
The U.S. has a 2-tiered justice system and Garland represents the top tier traitorsgalore Nov 2021 #99
I don't believe we know who the DOJ is investigating Joinfortmill Nov 2021 #101
True. But we have a fairly good Idea who the DOJ isn't prosecuting. msfiddlestix Nov 2021 #120
THIS 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 live love laugh Nov 2021 #125
Turn up the Volume stillspkg Nov 2021 #106
If this were a republican administration rambler_american Nov 2021 #109
This is the moment. Do we stand for the "rule of law" or not? If not, this country is fucked. n/t Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #117
Not Sure What's Up With Him colsohlibgal Nov 2021 #122
That statement about his reluctance to mete out harsh sentences on the sprinkleeninow Nov 2021 #131
How much harder can they get? They were willing to maim & murder Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2021 #135
I've lost confidence in Garland. BlueIdaho Nov 2021 #126
More irrelevant yellow journalism from PoliticusUSA. tritsofme Nov 2021 #128
I will continue to be patient. Biden choose him, and I HIGHLY doubt he will sack him outright any Celerity Nov 2021 #132
Trump Paid off Cy Vance in the SOHO Condo case StocktonNative Nov 2021 #136
It just gets better. Hotler Nov 2021 #153
***IF TRUMP WERE BLACK!!! *** Should be considered when it comes to DOJ and Garland and uponit7771 Nov 2021 #139
Can Garland be impeached? fescuerescue Nov 2021 #147
This is an emergency. We cannot afford to wait another day. lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #148
Kicking... nt Hotler Nov 2021 #150
Perhaps the Supreme Court situation re Garland did not have the terrible outcome we thought. BobTheSubgenius Nov 2021 #152
All on board with this. budkin Nov 2021 #155
He already has. triron Nov 2021 #156
A "good person" who is complicit. ecstatic Nov 2021 #160

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
5. I was thinking about the death threats he's most certainly getting...
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 12:35 PM
Nov 2021

And I’d look into who is doing the threatening. And who they follow.

RainCaster

(11,047 posts)
12. The FBI is his friend, if only he would ask...
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 12:52 PM
Nov 2021

I hear they even do some investigative work from time to time.

diverdownjt

(706 posts)
137. After 4 years of tRump...
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 07:12 AM
Nov 2021

the DOJ is a giant nest of gandarks....left over from it...Appoint a special prosecutor....do it now.
It will show the world you're moving in the right direction.

brooklynite

(95,635 posts)
63. So you're accusing Garland of intentionally refusing to prosecute for personal reasons.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 02:54 PM
Nov 2021

In which case you should be telling President aBiden to fire him.

Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
80. I blame the annoying culture of US government moving "slowly and deliberately".
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 03:32 PM
Nov 2021

Some things require this. I get that.

Other things require expediency and pragmatism.

littlemissmartypants

(23,233 posts)
107. And some things require a law degree, passing the bar exam, being appointed to the job and
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 08:54 PM
Nov 2021

Intimate knowledge of the rules and procedures that dictate how one operates, above reproach, in all things USA Justice.

Grasswire2

(13,589 posts)
129. I will apologize for the sharp tone of that "rebuke" to you, above.
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 01:27 AM
Nov 2021

Your opinion is valid. So is mine. We are rank and file voters and our voices and our votes count.

Demsrule86

(69,100 posts)
151. I find the idea that Garland is somehow derelect in his duty ridiculous. I expect Trump covered
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 11:39 AM
Nov 2021

his ass is quite well, and we won't have a case...conspiracy is very difficult to prove. And if Garland prosecuted Trump and he got off, it would be awful. I would wager that there will always be one person on any jury who likes Trump and won't vote to convict. I would add that Trump losing the election was the worst punishment anyone could have inflicted on Trump. And do we really want a world where every outgoing president is prosecuted? I expect every president in the future to be impeached if they don't hold the House and that is bad enough.

usaf-vet

(6,389 posts)
97. Let's remember what happen to Mueller. He was thought to be THE man to investgate Russia.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 05:39 PM
Nov 2021

His testimony in Congress was very disappointing. I believe he likely was in the early stages of dementia.
That is not meant to belittle him. That could easily have explained his lack of grasping and answering questions.

Maybe Garland isn't the sharp legal mind he once was. That again is no fault of his.

But I agree with the post. We NEED an aggressive AG. Trump and his co-conspirators need to be held accountable.

usaf-vet

(6,389 posts)
146. It was and is my impression that it was a possible explaination of his poor showing in the hearing.
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 09:56 AM
Nov 2021

Remember Ronnie Raygun was suffering from dementia at the end of his term. His close supporters covered it up.

Mueller was visibly confused during the hearing and had to turn to his staff for clarification. This confusion and lackluster performance were noted in Adam Schiff's new book Midnight In Washington.

Whether or not either Meuller or Reagan has or had mental decline is still an open question. Close supporters, in either case, would likely participate in covering up a mental decline. It is hardly something they would confirm which would cast doubt on the work of their bosses.

And let's not forget the Republicans don't miss any opportunity to call President Biden "sleepy Joe" intentionally casting doubt on his ability to be an effective President.

Only the history books will hopefully detail the actual truths.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
149. Very interesting
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 10:55 AM
Nov 2021

"Had I known how much he had changed, I would not have pursued his testimony with such vigor — in fact, I would not have pursued it at all," Schiff wrote in his upcoming book Midnight in Washington, according to CNN.

Schiff, a California Democrat who became a liberal champion during the first impeachment probe and an enemy to conservatives who parroted Trump's rebuff of a "Russia hoax," admitted that he instructed Democrats on the committee to simplify their questioning strategy after the first session to accommodate Mueller's cognitive inhibitions.

"No questions calling for a narrative answer," Schiff told the committee, according to his book. "No multipart questions. If you think your question may be too long, it is. Cut it down."

soldierant

(7,175 posts)
121. Before he was on the bench
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 11:09 PM
Nov 2021

he had many years of experience as a prosecutor, and many successful RICO prosecutions to his credit.

gab13by13

(22,072 posts)
16. You will never see a post like this make,
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:06 PM
Nov 2021

Trending Now, or Greatest Hits. Maybe if an animal video pretexts it?

Escurumbele

(3,456 posts)
18. I support your comment, hate for it to be true because I want the MFs to be indicted and prosecuted
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:06 PM
Nov 2021

but I don't see Garland doing anything about it and it is time he is removed from his post and DU start acknowledging the guy is not doing the people's work of holding criminals accountable.

Even Glenn Kirshner has been very vocal about it, and if I am not mistaken, he and Garland have known each other for some time and have or used to hold some mutual respect which I have to suspect Garland has been lowered in the eyes of Kirshner.

The prosecution of all these criminals is paramount to hold the Democracy of this country, I fear that if it doesn't happen this will become a 3rd World country in no time.

We already had Colin Powell betray the country and the World and now being held as a hero, Muller report is still not out there and no one complains and let me say that Muller was a complete disappointment, and now Garland doing nothing...I have said it many times, this is going from bad to worst, anyone who thinks that a totalitarian regime cannot take hold of the USA is not paying attention to what has happened in other parts of the World, we are at the verge of it happening here. Wake up America!

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
145. it doesn't help that americans allow 1500 coordinated russian-influenced fascist-serving radio sta
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 09:37 AM
Nov 2021

stations attack the people who we want to do the right thing. that's what limbaugh did all day since TFGs inauguration - there was 10 months of 'liberal deep state' russia-hoax bullshit before the the hyped up social media Q-anon version started showing up on social media in Nov 2017.

look at all the hype around the 4 seasons documentary - no one noticed that the giuliani powell press conference was timed to start concurrently with the limbaugh show and limbaugh had the script and was attacking dominion and smartmatic and their employees at the same time

we allow that republican radio buzz dominate most of america and let a few hundred assholes on the radio take free potshots at the people we want to do right and then wonder why they don't stick their heads out. and while they're doing that they have time to pollute the amhaud aurbury trial - like they did for treyvon martin , mike brown, etc

until americans recognize and end the RW radio bullshit forget progress and reform

JohnSJ

(92,762 posts)
44. I am not happy at all with what I view as Garland "dragging his feet", especially in regard to
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:41 PM
Nov 2021

the contempt of Congress against Bannon

However, I take exception with your characterization of DU being "chock full of Garland apologists"

What I observe is equal voicing of views on Garland here. To characterize someone as being an apologist is blatantly unfair. People can express various views without being characterized as an apologist for someone.

babylonsister

(171,208 posts)
114. Thank you. Different POVs are allowed here
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 09:30 PM
Nov 2021

as long as they don't veer into rethug, tin foil terrority. Those folks are nuts!

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
61. I'm not on the anti-Garland bandwagon, but was just thinking the same thing re: Holder.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 02:54 PM
Nov 2021

Everything old is new again.

marble falls

(58,798 posts)
6. 45 and Barr packed the DoJ. Prosecuting someone is not a jerkjerk kind of operation ...
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 12:38 PM
Nov 2021

... "I'm bored. Let's prosecute 45."
"Sounds like fun, it'll piss him off."
"I'll get the rope."

agingdem

(7,953 posts)
28. you got it right!
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:17 PM
Nov 2021

so much of Trump's crap is in the hands of grand juries, state and federal courts..and the 1/6 House committee...that has to play out...if Garland goes after Trump now all the ongoing investigations could get tainted...Garland has one "shot" at Trump...all evidence has to be irrefutable...I'm willing to give him a couple of more months before I call for his head...

Response to agingdem (Reply #28)

agingdem

(7,953 posts)
76. not everything...
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 03:25 PM
Nov 2021

the Willard Hotel, funding the insurrection for starters...yes, he can be tried for every crime but which one in particular stands above them all, and will, with absolute certainty, take down that monster...that's Garland's one shot...

Response to agingdem (Reply #76)

agingdem

(7,953 posts)
84. December 31, 2021
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 03:54 PM
Nov 2021

after that Garland has to get out of the way and Sally Yates or Preet Bharara takes over...

Response to agingdem (Reply #84)

msfiddlestix

(7,302 posts)
119. yeah, I can see how the confirmation process in THIS Senate will go for Yates or Preet.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 10:28 PM
Nov 2021

Love to have them as a team. Unfortunately, that's not ever going to happen.

Fantasy island is where I want to be.

marble falls

(58,798 posts)
42. Why not develop a case first. There's plenty of evidence, and we know several jurisdictions ...
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:37 PM
Nov 2021

... are at it and have been since last year.

Response to marble falls (Reply #42)

Escurumbele

(3,456 posts)
26. By now Garland should have cleaned up all the trash Barr left behind, that is not an excuse
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:16 PM
Nov 2021

We need to stop excusing these people, they are simply not doing their job, or what their job description demands. We had our hopes up with Muller, and see what happened, now that Garland is at the head of the DOJ, why is it that the Muller report has not been made available, unredacted?

This "rule of law" and "no one is above the law" is becoming a joke because of these people. Bannon should be in jail by now, why hasn't Garland put him in jail?

DENVERPOPS

(9,121 posts)
55. I have to agree
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 02:24 PM
Nov 2021

As I watch Garland, I am getting the same feeling I developed about Mueller.........

With Mueller, I had the feeling that he could have been a lot more aggressive, given the information/facts that he was privy too.
I noted that Mueller was a life time Republican, and a good man. But in the back of my mind, I felt that Mueller realized that if the presented things that he should have revealed, he realized that the information he discovered could have easily brought down the ENTIRE Republican party.

And that, he was unwilling to do, considering his life time devotion to being a good Republican......

In reality, I have no idea how things are progressing or why........I just hope that they know what they are doing.

I still feel, that on any given day, that all hell could break loose. ANY DAY.........And we won't even see the 2022 or 2024 elections.

It truly seems to me, that we continue to see the Right Wing marching forward, despite all efforts to at least stop the progression.

BTW: This all did not just happen these past few years......Some of us have been screaming from the roof tops since a few months before Reagan's corrupt "installation"......

And now, we are one millimeter away from a Corporate Fascist Tyranny, nicely worded as an "Authoritarian Government".......

Escurumbele

(3,456 posts)
59. Very well put, it was enhanced by the "Reagan Revolution" it it nastier now, but the
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 02:52 PM
Nov 2021

high level corruption started there.

I am convinced the republican party has never been good, the only time it was is when Theodore Roosevelt was part of it, but he was a progressive which is why the rest of the republicans hated him, he was just too popular with the citizens and there was nothing the corrupt republicans could do about it, although at the end they prevailed.

Muller, or anyone who sides with a political party against their country is NOT a "good man", Colin Powell was not a good man because he betrayed his country and the World, he lied in order to help his party with the madness that was the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, he knew those tubes were not fit to make WMD, but he decided to lie anyway. If Muller put party over country then he is also a traitor. No one's passport says "Born in the Republican/Democratic party", it says "Born in the United States of America" that is where loyalty must always be, to the country, to your fellowman. I also place Rod Rosenstein in the list of traitors, he played his role as an honest man and fooled as all, he ended up kissing trump's butt, and he is also responsible for not allowing the Muller report to be made public.

The fact is that we are surrounded by traitors who want to fool us all of their lack of patriotism by placing a flag on the lapel of their coats and through their rhetoric. Until people don't wake up and do like Rachel Maddow has said many times "Don't believe what they say, watch what they do.", corruption will only escalate, and the fear of those in power to do the right things will continue because the criminals will be around to threaten them.

Today's republican party is packed with traitors, many of them will fall on their faces because totalitarian regimes don't even forgive those who helped them get there. Once a totalitarian leader gets in power he/she becomes paranoid and anyone they may suspect of will be taken out, it happens in every totalitarian regime, there is no exception. Same is going to happen with the billionaires who are willing to help the totalitarian's cause, they will loose everything, only a chosen few will survive but live in constant fear knowing that their day can come anytime, one day they will wake up to find the squad picking them up.

DENVERPOPS

(9,121 posts)
71. Thank you
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 03:21 PM
Nov 2021

all excellent points............

Colin Powell should have been drummed out when he and others in the military tried to institute and pull off a massive cover up of the Mai Lai massacre by a group of U.S. soldiers.

Powell so much wanted to be in the White Boys Club, he sacrificed all his Morals to testify to crap he damn well knew was crap.
His testifying made a major difference in many people deciding to back the Iraq War............Not a lot unlike Comey's? spewing bull shit about Hillary's emails two weeks before the election........

And now, we have a major portion of all Politicians, willing and knowingly lying about everything, to not lose their coveted political position, money, and status...........

The CNN documentary: "Trumping Democracy", documented with pictures and video just how far Trump and Republicans went to create the mob violence of Jan 6th. If they had succeeded, all Republican House and Senate members who hadn't backed Trump would be dead, along with ALL the Dem politicians in both houses, and even Pence...........

live love laugh

(13,394 posts)
124. The not only packed/loaded the DOJ with subverters, they loaded the IRS, USPS, DOA ..
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 12:20 AM
Nov 2021

The entire federal gov’t. is loaded with Republicans who represent nothing more than cogs in the wheels.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
7. As others have said, he would probably be more suited for SCOTUS than US Attorney General.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 12:43 PM
Nov 2021

... but give it some time!

Escurumbele

(3,456 posts)
30. We are running out of time, TRIRON is correct, Bannon should be in jail by now.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:17 PM
Nov 2021

The truth is Garland, so far, is a failure.

skydive forever

(449 posts)
37. I used to make the same argument
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:29 PM
Nov 2021

But now it’s been too long. As the old saying goes, sh!t or get off the pot.

Response to skydive forever (Reply #37)

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
92. Yep, I was trying to give benefit of doubt, you are correct, there's a string of
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 04:42 PM
Nov 2021

things that should have been done by now. Also, Barr, for example, screamed what was going on, but all I hear is pretty much silence. It makes me feel like we are not fighting, and the whole world is watching/listening. The optics are NOT good at all.

stopdiggin

(11,624 posts)
8. never heard of this group ...
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 12:47 PM
Nov 2021

Certainly have a right to express (their own) disapproval and censure. I'm just kind of wondering where this 'opinion' comes to rest in the wider legal community?

I've found Garland's performance to be a little bit of a mixed bag ... And I'm not so sure (given the volatility and flux of the current environs) - that isn't something of a reasonable expectation?

George II

(67,782 posts)
21. I'm wondering why this 'opinion' comes to rest on this site? Garland has done a LOT without....
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:09 PM
Nov 2021

...telegraphing his future moves to the press. (my comment isn't directed to you)

That's how Attorneys General operate.

The DOJ has a page where they list indictments and charges. It's pretty long and there have been several just about every day.

Here's just a sampling for the Capitol Breach Cases:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases

stopdiggin

(11,624 posts)
29. I was trying to thread the needle
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:17 PM
Nov 2021

and not give offense. But I think the purpose of the OP is fairly transparent. They want the guy 'out' - and the more noise the better.

Escurumbele

(3,456 posts)
32. That is not how republican attorney generals operate, they move fast, if Bannon were a Democrat
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:21 PM
Nov 2021

and the attorney general were a republican, Bannon would have been in jail in less than 9 days...Nope, Garland so far is failing to enforce the so called "rule of law" while throwing down the trash the "no one is above the law"...I hate to repeat myself, but that is exactly what is happening and the result of this will be apathy to vote for Democrats, Virginia is a sample.

CrispyQ

(36,807 posts)
82. IMO, 2022 voter enthusiasm will be based largely on if the dems hold Trump & cronies accountable.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 03:40 PM
Nov 2021

And if they can get voter legislation passed. Yes dems, thank you for the infrastructure bill. Thank you for the Covid relief. Thank you for getting the vaccination program off the ground. But FFS, go after Trump.

Garland has some time, but not very much. There better be some action by next spring/summer or turnout in fall will suck. If we lose one chamber no legislation will pass. If the house goes, McCarthy will impeach, I'd bet on it. If the senate goes, there will be no more judicial appointments. I just don't get the sense that our party is taking this as seriously as they should be.

Escurumbele

(3,456 posts)
41. One more thing, and how many of those subpoenas have been enforced? Why is Bannon still at large?
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:37 PM
Nov 2021

Anyone with legal authority can issue subpoenas, but enforcing them is another issue the DOJ must take care of and so far the subpoenas that have been issued have also been ignored, so what good is it to subpoena someone when they are going to ignore it?

Traffic tickets are better enforced that subpoenas nowadays...Garland is failing if he doesn't, and has not, enforce the subpoenas, Bannon must be in jail next week or Garland must be removed.

Sympthsical

(9,238 posts)
22. I was curious about them, too
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:10 PM
Nov 2021
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/free-speech-for-people/

I wouldn't call them "non-partisan". Basically just a group on the Left that formed in reaction to Citizens United. Which is good. But people who wanted impeachment on Trump's first day in office are not non-partisan, lol.

bluesbassman

(19,428 posts)
10. The clock is ticking.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 12:48 PM
Nov 2021

Before the Garland apologists chime in with “you don’t know what he’s doing”, I’ll concede that point. However, if he is in fact “doing something”, and the apologists will have to concede there is precious little evidence he is, the hard truth is that he’s running out of time. We’re close to the election cycle window where the DOJ will refuse to bring charges because it could influence the election, and be perceived as purely political. He’s basically painting himself in a corner.

JudyM

(29,406 posts)
14. They seem to be claiming that he is not in action on this behind the scenes... wondering what
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:02 PM
Nov 2021

they’re bassing it on, bluesman. It’s certainly becoming more and more challenging to be patient.

Poiuyt

(18,154 posts)
19. Yes. This is time sensitive
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:06 PM
Nov 2021

I still think Garland is taking his time so he doesn't appear to be too political. He might even decide not to prosecute Bannon for the same reason.

Of course, maybe he's playing the long game. being soft on Bannon, et al, to appear non-political so he can put the hammer down on Trump. But I don't think he's that type.

Poiuyt

(18,154 posts)
87. Exactly!
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 04:08 PM
Nov 2021

I think he's looking for any excuse to not prosecute because he doesn't want to look like he's partisan.

Escurumbele

(3,456 posts)
34. Well put...the question is, is he painting himself in a corner on purpose?
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:23 PM
Nov 2021

He has to know that he is running out of time, and if he doesn't he must be removed tomorrow.

ratchiweenie

(7,768 posts)
15. Holder was extremely weak. Failed to prosecute and it hurt the country badly. Looks like Garland is
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:05 PM
Nov 2021

following in his foot steps. I understand that he does not want to set precedents that could come back to bite future Democratic presidents but it's very clear that Trump violated numerous laws and Bannon doesn't have a legal leg to stand on. What is he waiting for. He is making Congress look weak.

hadEnuf

(2,319 posts)
17. Quite frankly I'm starting to wonder if he is up to the job.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:06 PM
Nov 2021

We need a non-nonsense fighter who is going to expose and serve justice on those who tried to overthrow the US government. This isn't family court.

Mr. Ected

(9,678 posts)
24. Like many other DU'ers, I'm content to wait and wait and wait
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:14 PM
Nov 2021

And to trust the process until the day the MAGAts unfurl their fascist flag over the remnants of our democracy and ensure we'll never get that opportunity again.

In other words, this is the most important act to be done in our lifetimes. Every other cause we champion will go down the drain if we allow this group to usurp political power.

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,729 posts)
31. He won't do it, but he should...DOJ is letting us as country down again and again
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:21 PM
Nov 2021

Letting that POS Bill Barr in again was a huge mistake !

Does merrick have the heart to do the right thing ?????

BlueJac

(7,838 posts)
83. Just a saying..
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 03:53 PM
Nov 2021

With no teeth. Garland makes the DOJ look weak! Not what I was hoping for! But then almost everything I hope for never happens

gulliver

(13,246 posts)
35. What do you get when you add a legal advocacy group and a dime?
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:27 PM
Nov 2021

A funny look at Starbucks

(but no coffee)

Texin

(2,603 posts)
36. Garland may be getting his cues from Biden, who said he was not keen on
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:27 PM
Nov 2021

being perceived to be going after TFG because he feared there would be retaliation with future administrations. Those were his comments during the run-up to the election in 2020. He may be thinking otherwise now, and more recent statements and actions seem to bear that out.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,218 posts)
52. Bingo
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 02:09 PM
Nov 2021

Its funny reading so many posts on here with this naivety into believing that Garland is some kind of free independent prosecutor. Despite his trappings.

If people don't think that Garland was vetted by Biden and the top leadership group of the Democratic Party, on how best to move forward with prosecutions before his name was pushed forward, and they have not been in contact all the time with his department ...then I have some MyPillow stock to sell them.

Just so folks know. If there is pressure on Garland, it means Biden is also feeling it, because he's behind the curtain. Which is a good thing in the end. All the DOJ needs is a nod from the Dem leadership.

This fear of being dragged into a fight and this ongoing timidity to break precedent is going to bring on Fascism sooner rather than later. Because one side is at war, and one side is looking for small legislative compromise victories. Victories that the press won't publicize or at least promote, or will do it by asking Republican guests their opinion on it.

No, they should have gone full Def Con 1 after inauguration. Prove to the American people that they are just as fierce fighters for truth and justice, as the Republicans are fighting those things.

Because if half of eligible voters who don't or won't vote, but who hold more liberal views, and would probably vote Democratic, stay home because of apathy to politics, the other half will stay home because of the opposite. Why vote for a party that seems to have no great passion for what they claim to hold dear? And/or how bad can it really be if they seem okay with "move forward" again? This was exactly Obama's problem in the 2010 midterms.

gab13by13

(22,072 posts)
75. Mike Lee the Republican Senator from Utah,
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 03:23 PM
Nov 2021

suggested Garland to president Obama as his SC nominee. So yeah, I guess that Garland was vetted by Lee.

Orrex

(63,440 posts)
58. I accept that a "fear of retaliation" may indeed be a motivator here,
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 02:52 PM
Nov 2021

but one has to be aware that future Republican administrations and legislators are absolutely going to retaliate against Democrats regardless, so that fear is no justification for inaction.

If Biden runs again in 2024, the Repug campaign against him will be more aggressive and organized (including by foreign parties) than anything we've seen to date, regardless of any action Biden might take against Trump.

And if Repugs take over both house of Congress in 2022, they will repeatedly pursue impeachment of Biden and Harris until both are out of office with a Repub House Speaker installed in their place.


Orrex

(63,440 posts)
118. Agreed
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 10:15 PM
Nov 2021

And I weary of high-minded DUers scolding me for my lack of faith that "the process" (invisible to all outside observation) is proceeding steadily toward results.

It may indeed be proceeding, but at this point we have little evidence that we can expect a result in time to make a difference.


Predicting one particular high-minded DUer to arrive in 3... 2...

 

monkeyman1

(5,109 posts)
69. that's complete bull- shit , need to get after this crap & end it ! period !
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 03:16 PM
Nov 2021

that includes the media ,too

Escurumbele

(3,456 posts)
38. And by the way, most of us have spoken about Bannon having to be in jail by now, although
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:29 PM
Nov 2021

it is true, it seems that I at least have forgotten to follow through on the action from the Legal Advocates that states that Garland should resign for not prosecuting trump.

That is a big issue as well, there is so much proof of wrongdoing from him, his kids, his crooked company, his republican crooks, his taxes, his corrupt behaviour while enjoying time at the presidency...What is Garland waiting for?

THIS IS BAD people...Is Garland another Rod Rosenstein? A hypocrite doing the "leader's" chores?

C_U_L8R

(45,089 posts)
39. I want to hear some explanation from the DOJ
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 01:34 PM
Nov 2021

This is so confounding. I can only 'hope' there are some serious prosecutions in process. At minimum, it should concern them that many Americans are losing trust and confidence in them.

uponit7771

(90,437 posts)
142. If Trump and his minions were black "the right time" would've been 6 months ago. I just can't
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 09:18 AM
Nov 2021

... get that part out of my mind that if Bannon was named Byron and was Muslim he'd be in under the jail now

uponit7771

(90,437 posts)
143. If Trump and his minions were Muslim there'd be no post like this on DU, we'd be more concerned
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 09:19 AM
Nov 2021

... what happened to them when they were scooted off to Gitmo.

The DOJ can move fast when it to (see reaction to BLM protest vs J6 attack on capital for example)

Lonestarblue

(10,532 posts)
54. I have several concerns with Garland's DOJ.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 02:10 PM
Nov 2021

First of all, by not enforcing the House January 6 Commission’s subpoena on Bannon, Garland is taking away Congress’s Constitutional power to hold people in the government accountable.

Second, the full Mueller Report (barring release of any real versus embarrassing national security issues) should have been released months ago.

Third, Mueller laid out evidence of the crime of obstruction of justice against Trump. Those crimes should have been prosecuted already. This lack indicates that criminal behavior by a president is acceptable and will carry no consequences.

Fourth, the DOJ has treated the January 6 insurrectionists with slaps on the wrist. The crime of insurrection carries heavy fines and multiple years of imprisonment, not a few days. The definition of insurrection seems pretty clear, and I would agree that those who never entered the Capitol did not commit insurrection—those who did enter did so with the stated purpose of preventing Congress from certifying a fair election and thus overturning a branch of government and illegally keeping a losing president in office. How is that not insurrection?

Fifth, the DOJ seems to be relegating any investigation into the funders and planners of January 6 to Congress, yet it has so far refused to enforce subpoenas against people who refuse to testify. We do not know whether Garland’s DOJ is investigating January 6, but after 10 months one might conclude that a grand jury would have been impaneled if they were. Mueller was appointed in mid-May 2017 to investigate Trump’s Russian connections to the 2016 election. He impaneled a grand jury less than three months later.

Garland is a moderate, and he may well be of the same school of thought as Joe Manchin who says that bipartisanship is necessary to the functioning of government. In today’s Republican world, bipartisanship and the wish to avoid being partisan just gives Republican criminals a free pass to do whatever they want, including committing crimes with impunity.

I did not believe that Garland was up for the task of rebuilding the DOJ after Barr totally politicized it, and I still hold that belief today. When Garland was last in the DOJ, Republicans did not use any means necessary to overthrow a fair election. Garland’s past history may be predisposing him to inaction now.

HootieMcBoob

(3,823 posts)
141. Garland is not a moderate
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 09:16 AM
Nov 2021

He’s a conservative and a member of The Frderalist Society. That’s what led Obama to believe that he could get 60 votes for him for SC. He’s dragging his feet and running out the clock. If anything happens to hold Trump or his accomplices to account I will be very surprised.

Sewa

(1,280 posts)
154. Sad but true
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 03:42 PM
Nov 2021

Trump and his buds probably laugh their asses off when Garlands name is mentioned. 💀🤙

Pepsidog

(6,258 posts)
56. He is a good man but AG is the wrong job especially when the rule of law is being
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 02:25 PM
Nov 2021

severely undermined. Why would anyone ever, anywhere comply with subpoena when congressional subpoenas get ignored without consequences.

Escurumbele

(3,456 posts)
65. A good man is one who has courage to do what is right, the other is a coward, I don't know that
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 02:58 PM
Nov 2021

Garland is either, we will see what happens, but as I said before, if Bannon is not in jail next week, Garland must go, he is obviously neither a brave or a good man. That is my harsh opinion. I really hope that I am not insulting anyone.

The disappointments we suffered from Muller and Rosenstein were, at least to me, very hard to take, I don't want another one from Garland and the way things are shaping up it seems he will join that club.

I encourage everyone to watch Glenn Kirschner's videos on the subject of Bannon still running around free, and the one about why trump is not being prosecuted when there is so much evidence out there. He too is asking the questions and starting to doubt on the resolute from Garland to do the right thing.

RDJackson

(8 posts)
60. My first post 👋
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 02:53 PM
Nov 2021

Re Garland.
Is it possible that , besides developing an airtight case for tRump and his MAGAts, they are taking their time, allowing more of the public more time to come to terms with a treasonous former pResident, and time it so the worst stink is still in the air for the midterms?

hadEnuf

(2,319 posts)
66. Democratic messaging is lacking. Nothing is self-evident these days.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 03:00 PM
Nov 2021

If it were, we'd have Americans at Mar-a-laghole with torches and pitchforks.

hadEnuf

(2,319 posts)
62. We shouldn't have to be asking these questions about Garland.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 02:54 PM
Nov 2021

We should at the very least be getting some clear signals that these traitors are indeed going to be prosecuted, but that is not happening. Why not?

SayItLoud

(1,706 posts)
64. It's more of a mess than appears on the surface of his inaction.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 02:55 PM
Nov 2021

If he resigns or is replaced the Maggots will have all the talking points they need going into 2022 and 24.
It matters not that TFG tried to (and succeeded) in weaponizing the DOJ.

Unless Garland acts we're in a no win situation IMO.

Bad choice by Biden IMO.

bucolic_frolic

(44,098 posts)
74. I agree
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 03:23 PM
Nov 2021

but it also may be indicative of them not tying up the full implications of any case to bring charges. For example, no word on the RNC/DNC bomber, and tying together Jan5&6 is complex I would think, especially since the Jan 6 Commission is still hearing evidence.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
77. As much as I would Garland to act now , there's too much we don't know yet,
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 03:27 PM
Nov 2021

Is he working with other groups not to undermine what they are doing? Is he aware of insider moles he has to out first? Is there higher ups they're waiting for info on against them? Was he set up with bad investigations info upon entering his office and with false info is having to have everything rechecked? Are there so many criminals , and criminal acts its much larger than we think? We don't know everything, and likely some we'll never be told about. But I like everyone else am losing confidence fast justice will be done, and the orange one will stay a free man. Hope I'm wrong, and hope he isn't given a pardon claiming for the good of the country BS speech.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
81. This "Free Speech for People" group is probably sincere, but shouldn't they
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 03:37 PM
Nov 2021

be calling for President Biden to resign also? Whatever cause there is to call for the AG to resign, wouldn't Biden's reason(s) to appoint someone they believe is, in effect, protecting criminals associated with the last administration remain and lead to another attempt under the next AG?

Btw, Wikipedia is consdering deleting this group's page: "The primary sourcing is extremely problematic--it's heavily skewed toward sources that raise neutrality but more importantly, notability concerns. Mainstream coverage is practically nonexistant, and a single mention in a source does not entitle one to a Wikipedia article."

I like their reasons for forming and what they say they want to do, but could this call at this time for the USAG's (!) resignation be part of an attempt to raise their profile. and "notability"?

Leith

(7,830 posts)
86. I've been trying to be patient
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 04:06 PM
Nov 2021

There are many posters here who tell us they understand about the workings of government and they insist that we must be patient.

There are many other posters who state their impatience with the slow and silent efforts that may or may not be in the process. We have no way of knowing that anything but the arrests of some of the rioters and their light sentences have been done.

I understand and sympathize with all the above. The rethug House convened several public Benghazi hearings in the time that Democrats have already taken to tell us fuck-all about what's going on.

For those who "understand" so much better than the rest of us, why not tell us what you know? So far all I've read is that things take time, be patient, and, quite frankly, a rude condescending attitude towards others who aren't sitting tight and shutting the fuck up.

All we're asking for is: throw us a bone! Give us some indication that at least some of the sleezy big name creeps are going to face justice - or at least talk about it to law enforcement some time somewhere some how.

Ten months, all we have seen is the prosecution of a few magats that nobody ever heard of. It is not enough. Just how can an interested outside observer tell the difference between a) it's all getting done behind the scenes; and b) nobody's doing shit except keeping us lib commies quiet.

Brainfodder

(6,426 posts)
88. If I recall the talk on Nixon was that it took 2 years, this is so much worse!
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 04:15 PM
Nov 2021

How does one arrest half of the Senate all at once without some chaos for a bit?



Merrick Garland being kept out of the SC, IMHO just astounding that he is the guy now overseeing this!

We all want them in a public stockade with ample tomatoes at the ready at the very least, yesterday, but good things come to those who wait?



Ohioboy

(3,288 posts)
98. He also let Kevin McCarthy openly threaten private companies
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 06:23 PM
Nov 2021

When McCarthy and other republicans openly threatened communication companies that complied with the Jan 6 committee he should have been charged with obstruction immediately, no investigation necessary.

traitorsgalore

(1,406 posts)
99. The U.S. has a 2-tiered justice system and Garland represents the top tier
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 06:37 PM
Nov 2021

The rest of us can get fucked, mountains of evidence be damned. Trumpunk was recorded on the phone for more than an hour committing election fraud in Georgia and nothing's being done.

Fck Garland and his complicity in election tampering and every one of his apologists.

stillspkg

(93 posts)
106. Turn up the Volume
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 08:46 PM
Nov 2021

I am glad to see this. People register inaction as a weakness and end up voting for someone who will get things done. Garland’s inaction becomes the biggest referendum on this Presidency, which gets spun in many ways that will rally people regardless of the facts.
Let’s keep the heat on.

rambler_american

(795 posts)
109. If this were a republican administration
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 09:06 PM
Nov 2021

and the former Democratic President had been ticketed for illegal parking or jaywalking there would have been an indictment the day the R president took office. Why do the Dems always bring the sheet music for Kumbaya to a knife fight?

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
122. Not Sure What's Up With Him
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 11:42 PM
Nov 2021

Meek seems to fit right now. Scared of his own shadow?

His statement explaining why he was reluctant to dole out harsh sentences on the1/6 rioters, saying it might harden them was so insipid. Please Mr. Garland quit being a scaredy-cat. If not get someone in there that isn’t afraid to come down hard on Insurrectionists.

sprinkleeninow

(20,355 posts)
131. That statement about his reluctance to mete out harsh sentences on the
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 02:45 AM
Nov 2021

1/6 rioters/insurrectionists. Oy.
Was 'telling' to say the least...

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,803 posts)
135. How much harder can they get? They were willing to maim & murder
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 04:03 AM
Nov 2021

in support of their fascist hero. These are the kind of people for whom such mercy is seen as weakness worthy of sneers and and a green light to continue their criminal activity, only more intensely now.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
126. I've lost confidence in Garland.
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 12:33 AM
Nov 2021

At first I was enthusiastic but here we are almost a year into Biden’s first term and our DOJ looks inept and powerless. It’s one thing not to have an active fascist like Barr as AG, but having someone uninterested in restoring America’s justice system to pre-Trump levels of enforcement and protection is frankly gobsmacking.

Celerity

(44,566 posts)
132. I will continue to be patient. Biden choose him, and I HIGHLY doubt he will sack him outright any
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 03:30 AM
Nov 2021

time soon.

I was not thrilled with the pick, but I defer, obviously, to our President. I hope that when (if) Garland does bring the prosecutions, it is a cleansing fire that burns away the overlaid carcass of Trumpian treason and treachery.

uponit7771

(90,437 posts)
139. ***IF TRUMP WERE BLACK!!! *** Should be considered when it comes to DOJ and Garland and
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 09:14 AM
Nov 2021

... can't get past the fact that if he was he'd be up underneath the jail house now.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,615 posts)
152. Perhaps the Supreme Court situation re Garland did not have the terrible outcome we thought.
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 11:55 AM
Nov 2021

It seems more than possible that America dodged at least one bullet when it comes to SCOTUS.

ecstatic

(32,932 posts)
160. A "good person" who is complicit.
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 08:59 PM
Nov 2021

trump would be awaiting trial right now if he were black. I fully believe that.

Right now, I'm pinning all my hopes on the very brave district attorney in Georgia, Fani Willis.

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