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Demovictory9

(37,113 posts)
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 07:35 AM Nov 2021

sign maker asked to make sign: 'Welcome unvacinated and unafraid' but like pretty ya know??

The owner of a personalized sign business went viral for shutting down a woman asking her to make an anti-vaccination sign.



"Can u make a custom sign?? I want one with a certain saying but can't find it. I can do local pick up," the initial message from Samantha reads.

A second message states what kind of sign the customer is looking for: "I want a round door sign that says 'Welcome unvacinated and unafraid' but like pretty ya know?? Its for my front door and i need it by thanksgiving. How much $$??."


"Samantha, assuming you are referring to the COVID vaccine, I cannot in good conscience make a sign promoting anti-vaccination," @thesleepyowlhome wrote back. "COVID vaccines have been thoroughly tested and proven effective and are entirely safe so there's nothing to even be afraid of. Thanks!"


"Um i didn't ask for your opinion i just want you to do your job like im paying you for. or you just cant do customs like you said and are just lieing to our customers or what?? Seriously I just want the sign and im the one paying you and im a lion not a sheep!!" Samantha said.


At the end of the video, @thesleepyowlhome drew up the requested sign, but facetiously points out the spelling and grammatical mistakes. She also adds an extra line so it reads: "Welcome we are unvaccinated and unafraid * and uneducated."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/business-owner-shuts-down-karen-who-asked-her-to-make-her-a-sign-promoting-anti-vax-views/ar-AAQvqMq?ocid=msedgntp
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sign maker asked to make sign: 'Welcome unvacinated and unafraid' but like pretty ya know?? (Original Post) Demovictory9 Nov 2021 OP
QAnon type of garbage. " ... im a lion not a sheep!!" aka Meth Head Bikers Botany Nov 2021 #1
There it is! The difference between Hitler's Nazis and America's Fascist Republicans RVN VET71 Nov 2021 #26
Sadly those photos are real ... a clothing line features that kind of crap. Yea! 1/6/21 Botany Nov 2021 #29
Is that the same as the RW bakery refusing to make the gay wedding cake ? OnDoutside Nov 2021 #2
Did I miss the part where unvaccinated idiots Horse with no Name Nov 2021 #3
There's a lot of stupid going around but this looks like a similar OnDoutside Nov 2021 #4
Well, it's not the same. Any business always has the right to decline a specific request. yardwork Nov 2021 #5
There is a difference between... Effete Snob Nov 2021 #10
Now, now, Effete RVN VET71 Nov 2021 #23
Good point, RVN Vet71 3825-87867 Nov 2021 #27
Hatred and bigotry are taught... Wounded Bear Nov 2021 #39
Cop yourself on, of course that's not what I'm asking. The question OnDoutside Nov 2021 #38
It's not the "same" Effete Snob Nov 2021 #40
No, that's the "answer", the question is the "same" of a business owner refusing a service. OnDoutside Nov 2021 #45
Post removed Post removed Nov 2021 #41
The law on this is not hard to understand Effete Snob Nov 2021 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author kcr Nov 2021 #7
I've noticed that a lot of these white supremacist girls are desperate for male partners. yardwork Nov 2021 #6
nah. this is just (cheap) marketing porn stopdiggin Nov 2021 #13
Some are fake, but plenty are real. I think that sex is the motivation for many. yardwork Nov 2021 #19
There was a study done a couple of years ago which found that right-wings and white-supremacist Escurumbele Nov 2021 #21
Yeah. I'd come down on that side. stopdiggin Nov 2021 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author stopdiggin Nov 2021 #14
Did you take a wrong turn somewhere? n/t kcr Nov 2021 #8
And on that point... irisblue Nov 2021 #9
Umm, no. demmiblue Nov 2021 #11
would it be the same if the sign said mopinko Nov 2021 #12
How does a gay wedding cake differ from a straight wedding cake? Ace Rothstein Nov 2021 #28
Let Google be your friend. OnDoutside Nov 2021 #37
I Just Signed Up For Notifications COL Mustard Nov 2021 #15
Samantha, you clueless twit, unless the sign maker agrees to do the job, you are not niyad Nov 2021 #16
Excellent. thucythucy Nov 2021 #17
Right Wingers have this idea that people are living in fear Johnny2X2X Nov 2021 #18
It says a lot about the anti-vaxxers. They're the ones in fear. yardwork Nov 2021 #20
Why not just post a sign saying "All COVID Lovers Welcome"? KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2021 #22
Is "Sam" coming out? 3825-87867 Nov 2021 #25
No Spellcheck Samantha? PatSeg Nov 2021 #30
During the murdering, orange traitor**'s reign of terror, a friend taped a handwritten niyad Nov 2021 #31
excellent tactic Demovictory9 Nov 2021 #44
Maybe she can get a cake made Historic NY Nov 2021 #32
As a shopper, I would love to be welcomed with such a sign. cyndensco Nov 2021 #33
I agree,,,, I like the shirts, hats, signs,,,,, bec I want to know. n/t KarenS Nov 2021 #36
Maybe..... sheilahi Nov 2021 #34
She's a lyin', alright. tanyev Nov 2021 #35
Think of it as Deep State Witch Nov 2021 #43
Exactly. Well said. OnDoutside Nov 2021 #46
Do they really want their customers to know this? REALLY? FakeNoose Nov 2021 #47

RVN VET71

(3,192 posts)
26. There it is! The difference between Hitler's Nazis and America's Fascist Republicans
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 10:05 AM
Nov 2021

Hitler would never have allowed his aryan maidens to display their, um, “bootay” in such a marginally alluring way. He preferred his porn in the shape of photos and films of well muscled blond haired men with empty expressions on their chiseled faces -- and probably a lower degree of STD than the machine gun babes here pictured.

(The top photo, however, looks very photo-shopped -- lettering doesn’t match the curves of the shirt. The bottom photo looks real but it brings to mind the old school-boy “jocular" locker-room line about putting a flag over her face and you-know-what-ing her for Old Glory. Although I will admit that, despite her smirking idiot smile, she’s actually somewhat attractive -- just doesn’t dress well and, certainly, disrespects the flag.)

Botany

(77,324 posts)
29. Sadly those photos are real ... a clothing line features that kind of crap. Yea! 1/6/21
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 10:16 AM
Nov 2021

.. like that. The people who wear and or buy that crap think they are being clever and smart.
Putin has been wildly successful in stoking the mouth breathers to help to tear this country apart.
I dealt with some of these people on election day. Meth head bikers.

https://www.lionsnotsheep.com/collections/men-gear/products/lady-liberty-tee#6617359515732-1

https://www.lionsnotsheep.com/collections/more/products/fjb-hat-all-black

https://www.lionsnotsheep.com/collections/womens/products/lions-not-sheep-womens-tank#9207396942-1

OnDoutside

(20,868 posts)
4. There's a lot of stupid going around but this looks like a similar
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 08:37 AM
Nov 2021

issue of the seller not selling his services because he disagrees with the customer.

yardwork

(69,364 posts)
5. Well, it's not the same. Any business always has the right to decline a specific request.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 08:43 AM
Nov 2021

It's unconstitutional to turn away a customer just because they're Black, or Jewish, or gay. It's not unconstitutional to tell any customer that you won't make a specific request.

There's an important distinction.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
10. There is a difference between...
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 08:56 AM
Nov 2021

…an opinion, on the one hand, and an immutable characteristic of personhood on the other hand.

Do people “disagree” about being black, white, Asian, etc.? No, they ARE those things.

I gather you believe that being gay is a choice of some kind. Is that correct?

RVN VET71

(3,192 posts)
23. Now, now, Effete
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 09:53 AM
Nov 2021

Let’s not cross the line in assuming things not at all in evidence. When you “assume” you make . . . well, you know. Besides, everybody knows that if being gay were a choice, we’d all of us be gay, or at least bi.

With the rest of your points I agree thoroughly. (Although I’ve never seen the profit in trying to force a baker to make something for me that she doesn’t want to make and that I’m going to eat.)

3825-87867

(1,939 posts)
27. Good point, RVN Vet71
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 10:05 AM
Nov 2021

If being gay is a choice then being a bigot must be a choice because I'm pretty sure we all are not born bigots or racists or, etc.

Those seem to be personally and intentionally acquired attributes.

Wounded Bear

(64,328 posts)
39. Hatred and bigotry are taught...
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:23 PM
Nov 2021

Children may have curiousty about differences among their peers, but it takes training from the core family to turn that curiosity into hatred.

OnDoutside

(20,868 posts)
38. Cop yourself on, of course that's not what I'm asking. The question
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:16 PM
Nov 2021

relates to whether the signwriter has the right to refuse a customer, in the same way those rwnj bakers tried to do.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
40. It's not the "same"
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 01:22 PM
Nov 2021

That's what you are not quite understanding.

Being gay is not an "opinion".

OnDoutside

(20,868 posts)
45. No, that's the "answer", the question is the "same" of a business owner refusing a service.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 05:47 PM
Nov 2021

Response to OnDoutside (Reply #38)

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
42. The law on this is not hard to understand
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 01:33 PM
Nov 2021

Any business can refuse service to any customer for any reason - PROVIDED it is not an unlawful reason.

So, yes, you can refuse service to someone because you believe they are an asshole. You cannot refuse service to someone who is African American, because the law prohibits discrimination on the basis of race.

Religion (with the exception of religious organizations), national origin, race, color, or sex, are what are deemed "protected categories" in federal law.

Sexual orientation is a protected category under the law of many states.

Understanding this is only difficult for people who believe being gay is a choice. That is why various people think it is the "same" for a business owner to discriminate on the basis of political opinion and sexual orientation. It is simply not the equivalent situation.

Oh, and "the libs"?

Response to Horse with no Name (Reply #3)

yardwork

(69,364 posts)
6. I've noticed that a lot of these white supremacist girls are desperate for male partners.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 08:47 AM
Nov 2021

There's a whole subculture of women trying to find a man by parroting white supremacist tropes, posing in skimpy clothes with guns, posing in mid-20th century clothes with Nazi symbols, etc etc.

It's just a new way to find men for some of these women. I have no idea why they're so desperate. It says something terrible about our culture.

stopdiggin

(15,463 posts)
13. nah. this is just (cheap) marketing porn
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 09:14 AM
Nov 2021

pretty much the same as putting the hottie draped over the seat of a motorcycle (or hood of a car). The idea that these calendar pin-ups represent real women out there 'desperate for a date' ... Fantasy.

Yeah - it probably does say something kind of disappointing about us - in general. But not what you suggest. (IMO) There's plenty of neck-beards to go around.

Escurumbele

(4,094 posts)
21. There was a study done a couple of years ago which found that right-wings and white-supremacist
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 09:41 AM
Nov 2021

guys have a problem dating, women do not want anything to do with them, so I believe those are paid "models" and not women really looking to date the jackasses. Any woman with 1/2 a brain know that many of these thugs are notorious for beating up their women, it is part of their lack of confidence.

Response to yardwork (Reply #6)

irisblue

(37,513 posts)
9. And on that point...
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 08:56 AM
Nov 2021

"Remember when Republicans advocated for business owners to refuse customers because of gay wedding cakes. And now they are acting like this,"
from the article.

niyad

(132,444 posts)
16. Samantha, you clueless twit, unless the sign maker agrees to do the job, you are not
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 09:18 AM
Nov 2021

paying anything. You come of sounding like a whiny 3 year old stamping feet in a tantrum. And you cannot spell, nor can you reason.

thucythucy

(9,103 posts)
17. Excellent.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 09:29 AM
Nov 2021

There should be pushback every time these clowns step outside their bubble,

They are, after all, helping keep this pandemic alive.

Johnny2X2X

(24,210 posts)
18. Right Wingers have this idea that people are living in fear
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 09:33 AM
Nov 2021

They think Libs are hiding in their basements or something. No one is living in fear, people are going about their lives. Most people are vaccinated and thus safer for it. Getting vaccinated is not living in fear, it's being considerate of others. Wearing a mask isn't living in fear, it's looking out for your fellow American.

The country is back to normal, has been for months and months. Mask mandates in schools have zero bearing on normalcy. It's a tiny piece of fabric, it's bothering almost no one, and it's far from living in fear.

yardwork

(69,364 posts)
20. It says a lot about the anti-vaxxers. They're the ones in fear.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 09:38 AM
Nov 2021

The false bravado (I'm a lion not a sheep!) and general obsession with fear tells us what's driving them - fear. The rest of us are doing ok.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,782 posts)
22. Why not just post a sign saying "All COVID Lovers Welcome"?
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 09:42 AM
Nov 2021

or just "I Love COVID Virus"?



That customer's support of the virus' spread is damaging the sign maker's business and customer base. Why help spread the problem?

KY.....

3825-87867

(1,939 posts)
25. Is "Sam" coming out?
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 09:54 AM
Nov 2021

She's a "Lion!" OK.

Might be a bit picky but...

Isn't a female "Lion" a Lioness?"

C'mon Man, er... Be proud! Learn to spell and state your true feelings.

P.S. Is the bottom pix photoshopped, then?

Just askin'

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
30. No Spellcheck Samantha?
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 10:21 AM
Nov 2021

We all make mistakes, but these days we have spellcheck which helps minimize those mistakes. Of course, it can't help you with entitled rudeness and ignorance.

niyad

(132,444 posts)
31. During the murdering, orange traitor**'s reign of terror, a friend taped a handwritten
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 10:22 AM
Nov 2021

sign on her front door, "politics-free zone" at our holiday dinners. No muss. No fuss. No drama.

cyndensco

(1,768 posts)
33. As a shopper, I would love to be welcomed with such a sign.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 10:25 AM
Nov 2021

I'd know for certain to avoid that establishment. Not only is the owner an anti-vaxxing asshole, the place could possibly be a hotbed for the virus. *Thanks for the information, Samantha.*

Perhaps @thesleepyowlhome should look at producing the sign as a business opportunity AND as a alert to the public that assholes are inside.

Deep State Witch

(12,717 posts)
43. Think of it as
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 04:28 PM
Nov 2021

a Christian bakery, and you are a gay couple requesting a wedding cake. We had a SCOTUS ruling saying that a business can deny services if they object to what they are being asked to do.

Hurts when you're the one on the receiving end, doesn't it?

FakeNoose

(41,634 posts)
47. Do they really want their customers to know this? REALLY?
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 05:57 PM
Nov 2021

If I went to a retail establishment and saw a message like that pasted on the door, I'd leave immediately.

This is in the same category as store owners who post signs like, "Sorry we're closed! None of our employees are willing to work."

WTF?

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