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Take the Pew Research quiz: Where do you fit in the political typology? (Original Post) Ocelot II Nov 2021 OP
Establishment Liberal EYESORE 9001 Nov 2021 #1
That's where I landed too Dorian Gray Nov 2021 #73
Establishment Liberals underpants Nov 2021 #2
I ended up "Progressive Left, along with 6% of the country. Just 6%?--very disappointing. tblue37 Nov 2021 #3
I'm there with you nt intrepidity Nov 2021 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author bluewater Nov 2021 #122
I was Progressive Left MineralMan Nov 2021 #4
Me too Freddie Nov 2021 #7
Well, I thought the questions and choices were too limited. MineralMan Nov 2021 #10
No kidding intrepidity Nov 2021 #13
that is exactly the one I struggled with OriginalGeek Nov 2021 #131
I had that same thought. n/t piddyprints Nov 2021 #24
I was struck by that on the first question. skypilot Nov 2021 #27
Same for me. Diablo del sol Nov 2021 #63
That's why I ended up as Progressive Left too mcar Nov 2021 #72
I thought the Dorian Gray Nov 2021 #74
Maybe all 6% of us are here on DU. tblue37 Nov 2021 #16
:) Not quite, but "most politically engaged," after all. Hortensis Nov 2021 #50
Same here... piddyprints Nov 2021 #25
Same. sakabatou Nov 2021 #130
Outsider Left IbogaProject Nov 2021 #5
Same, and after reading the description I can see it Amishman Nov 2021 #142
Progressive Left Piasladic Nov 2021 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Elessar Zappa Nov 2021 #8
Progressive left. Elessar Zappa Nov 2021 #9
Progressive Left Bettie Nov 2021 #12
Establishment liberal hauckeye Nov 2021 #14
interesting radicalleft Nov 2021 #15
egads, the so called questions are based on conservative talking points and tell to ShazamIam Nov 2021 #17
Democratic Mainstay bottomofthehill Nov 2021 #18
Establishment Liberal SarasotaDem Nov 2021 #19
Progressive Left. panader0 Nov 2021 #20
Democratic Mainstay... Wounded Bear Nov 2021 #21
Me too. But we're only 16% of the Electorate says Pew. Did you see that?! msfiddlestix Nov 2021 #32
Yeah, Pew has tended to lean a bit rightwards over the last few years... Wounded Bear Nov 2021 #40
My first instinct as read through questions and limited options for responses. msfiddlestix Nov 2021 #42
Yeah, me too. Haggard Celine Nov 2021 #82
Same here. n/t FSogol Nov 2021 #103
Progressive Left 7wo7rees Nov 2021 #22
Establishment Liberal... Peacetrain Nov 2021 #23
progressive left but... jcgoldie Nov 2021 #26
Progressive Left nocoincidences Nov 2021 #28
Progressive Left. mentalsolstice Nov 2021 #29
Democratic "Mainstay" is where I fall on Pew msfiddlestix Nov 2021 #30
Outsider Left BeerBarrelPolka Nov 2021 #31
Progressive Left BlueJac Nov 2021 #33
Progressive Left Generic Brad Nov 2021 #34
Progressive leftie ! kimbutgar Nov 2021 #35
"question on a scale if 1-100 how I feel about repukes, I put 0." BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #108
Progressive Left, 6% RainCaster Nov 2021 #36
Progressive left Politicub Nov 2021 #37
Another Establishment Liberal here. Shrike47 Nov 2021 #38
Democratic Mainstay StarryNite Nov 2021 #39
Progressive Left. Coventina Nov 2021 #41
Progressive Left, which surprises me. I think of myself as a moderate liberal. sinkingfeeling Nov 2021 #43
Democratic Mainstay Patterson Nov 2021 #44
Progressive left iemanja Nov 2021 #45
Wo! I was surprised at what a small percentage Progressive Left are of Democrats. nt LAS14 Nov 2021 #46
not of Democrats iemanja Nov 2021 #52
Apparently you can't go back and look at those stats without taking the quiz again... nt LAS14 Nov 2021 #65
Unless you save your results (as HTML) like I did BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #67
Can you tell me how to do that without getting into a tutorial? LAS14 Nov 2021 #70
Well once you reach the end of the survey and they show the results BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #76
Thanks VERY much!!! nt LAS14 Nov 2021 #134
You are welcome! BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #135
Some of the categories are odd iemanja Nov 2021 #80
Exactly and I agree BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #97
We need a left radical category. By far most who fit Pew's progressives Hortensis Nov 2021 #100
I think they are actually missing that from both extreme ends BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #101
Yes, what's that about? WTF, Pew? It's a much bigger can of worms Hortensis Nov 2021 #102
I was still stuck on them fantasizing about BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #105
! They're not the only ones pushing populism as a RW phenomenon, Hortensis Nov 2021 #107
Well interestingly enough BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #109
TR ran as a Progressive iemanja Nov 2021 #113
Yes that was also the name of the 3rd party that he eventually founded BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #125
:) though of course we need to remember that many/most of us Hortensis Nov 2021 #129
This quiz asks about positions on issues iemanja Nov 2021 #112
loons iemanja Nov 2021 #110
It had me at Democratic Mainstay... LiberalFighter Nov 2021 #47
Progressive Left. nt DLevine Nov 2021 #48
Estabishment liberal. Though the choices left much to be desired. Hortensis Nov 2021 #49
I voted like that too, on that question. I also agree more with you... electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #90
Exactly. We and many other nations actually have been downsizing Hortensis Nov 2021 #98
Progressive Left JanMichael Nov 2021 #51
Establishment Liberal. nt Tommy Carcetti Nov 2021 #53
Establishment Liberal sciencescience Nov 2021 #54
Democratic Mainstay W_HAMILTON Nov 2021 #55
Progressive Left mvd Nov 2021 #56
Progressive Left Leith Nov 2021 #57
Outsider Left. That feels right. SYFROYH Nov 2021 #58
Democratic Mainstay. Greybnk48 Nov 2021 #59
Democratic Mainstays Kaleva Nov 2021 #60
Progressive Left MustLoveBeagles Nov 2021 #61
progressive left. Akacia Nov 2021 #62
Wow. Surprising for me - Progressive Left BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #64
Democratic Mainstay Mossfern Nov 2021 #66
Beyond Red vs. Blue: The Political Typology Klaralven Nov 2021 #68
Establishment Liberal. highplainsdem Nov 2021 #69
Progressive Left mcar Nov 2021 #71
Me too. Not really me. betsuni Nov 2021 #89
Democratic Mainstay marble falls Nov 2021 #75
Same here! Democratic Mainstay Rhiannon12866 Nov 2021 #138
Thought I had a definate left streak. marble falls Nov 2021 #140
Guess. Solly Mack Nov 2021 #77
Ha ha......please tell us....bet I know tho. 😄 a kennedy Nov 2021 #81
I think the quiz needed more answer choices. Solly Mack Nov 2021 #83
I agree about the answers MustLoveBeagles Nov 2021 #84
Dammit! I'm only an Establishment Liberal Poiuyt Nov 2021 #78
Outsider left here. NewHendoLib Nov 2021 #79
Progressive Left FakeNoose Nov 2021 #85
I'll post my answers, too mvd Nov 2021 #86
Cool! We are almost identical on just about everything FakeNoose Nov 2021 #87
You were WAY kinder to Republicans than I was Bettie Nov 2021 #115
I know - I came from a midwestern Republican family FakeNoose Nov 2021 #117
Progressive Left YoshidaYui Nov 2021 #88
Progressive Left electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #91
Interesting! burrowowl Nov 2021 #92
Democratic Mainstay. nt Progressive Jones Nov 2021 #93
Democratic Mainstay. How could this be? Earth-shine Nov 2021 #94
Take a look at my answers on post #85 FakeNoose Nov 2021 #119
Democratic Mainstays pfitz59 Nov 2021 #95
Progressive Left. n/t LuckyCharms Nov 2021 #96
progressive left onethatcares Nov 2021 #99
Democratic Mainstay... Kahuna Nov 2021 #104
Progressive Left budkin Nov 2021 #106
Progressive Left blogslug Nov 2021 #111
Progressive Left here Dave says Nov 2021 #114
Progressive Left. GoneOffShore Nov 2021 #116
Democratic Mainstays!!! demtenjeep Nov 2021 #118
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Nov 2021 #120
Your best fit is... Progressive Left Celerity Nov 2021 #121
My result: "Trotsky, is that you?" bluewater Nov 2021 #123
Establishment Liberal (13% of population) IcyPeas Nov 2021 #124
Outsider Left what ever that means marie999 Nov 2021 #126
Establishment Liberal Jimbo S Nov 2021 #127
Democratic Mainstays NutmegYankee Nov 2021 #128
Democratic Mainstays UTUSN Nov 2021 #132
Processive Left here. Xavier Breath Nov 2021 #133
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2021 #136
Establishment Liberal n/t shanti Nov 2021 #137
Progressive Left mnhtnbb Nov 2021 #139
Progressive Left.... Upthevibe Nov 2021 #141

tblue37

(68,436 posts)
3. I ended up "Progressive Left, along with 6% of the country. Just 6%?--very disappointing.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 11:36 AM
Nov 2021

Response to tblue37 (Reply #3)

MineralMan

(151,268 posts)
10. Well, I thought the questions and choices were too limited.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 11:50 AM
Nov 2021

That's often the case with such surveys. In many cases, there weren't enough choices for answers and few choices that let you answer in between the two or three possible choices.

Not enough nuance in the survey, it seemed to me. Further, the survey was too easy for someone to bend the results in whatever directly they wanted.

So...it's not as useful as I'd like it to be, frankly.

intrepidity

(8,582 posts)
13. No kidding
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 11:52 AM
Nov 2021

The prison question comes to mind... Too little time for Republicans, too much time for non-white minor offenders.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
131. that is exactly the one I struggled with
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 06:29 PM
Nov 2021

the most anyway. I think I got the free speech questions wrong lol. (The ones about people being able to say offensive things and people being too easily offended).

I'm pretty much on the side of unfettered free speech even if it's gross and fucked up. People can (and often do) say fucked up things to me and it just doesn't bother me because fuck them.

Threatening speech is already addressed by laws I reckon. But I like knowing who the racist pieces of shit are.

skypilot

(9,128 posts)
27. I was struck by that on the first question.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:21 PM
Nov 2021

After I read the second question I just skipped the survey altogether.

Dorian Gray

(13,850 posts)
74. I thought the
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 10:06 PM
Nov 2021

questions were more about social perception than about political policy desires, but I'm not surprised about where I landed.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
50. :) Not quite, but "most politically engaged," after all.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 06:32 PM
Nov 2021

I knew the general % overall from other stats and observed the high involvement here, so no surprise. I disagree with Pew's describing some differences as "more liberal" than the most similar liberal categories. More something, though.

Amishman

(5,929 posts)
142. Same, and after reading the description I can see it
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 11:26 AM
Nov 2021

I vote blue because its the best fit of the options available, though there are topics where I wish our direction or approach would be different.

Also fits as I'm pretty sure I'm a fair bit younger than much of DU

Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
9. Progressive left.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 11:50 AM
Nov 2021

Kinda surprised I’m not “establishment liberal”. A few of the answers I gave weren’t the furthest left choices possible.

radicalleft

(576 posts)
15. interesting
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 11:58 AM
Nov 2021

9. Democratic Mainstays
Racially diverse, older, steadfast Democrats: Economically liberal, pro-military and moderate on immigration and social issues

ShazamIam

(3,129 posts)
17. egads, the so called questions are based on conservative talking points and tell to
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 11:59 AM
Nov 2021

choose a response even if you don't agree with it if it is manipulative to sell you an identity, not identify one.

They are just busy working up the 2022 Midterm talking points.

The aim for decades now is, control the narrative and dialogue,

Right now the media is pushing the dialogue and narrative that the Democratic President and Congress are failing.

Wounded Bear

(64,324 posts)
21. Democratic Mainstay...
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:12 PM
Nov 2021

Fairly accurate:

Democratic Mainstays make up a larger share of the Democratic coalition than any other group. Older than other Democratic-oriented groups, they also have the highest share of Black non-Hispanic adults of any political typology group, and six-in-ten are women. They generally favor policies that expand the social safety net and support higher taxes on corporations, but they have a moderate tilt on other issues, including immigration and crime. Nearly half consider themselves “strong Democrats,” and they are generally positive about the Democratic Party and its leaders.

Wounded Bear

(64,324 posts)
40. Yeah, Pew has tended to lean a bit rightwards over the last few years...
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 01:05 PM
Nov 2021

Not sure how much I trust their analysis. Looks like they're trying to divide us into smaller and smaller tribes.

msfiddlestix

(8,178 posts)
42. My first instinct as read through questions and limited options for responses.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:00 PM
Nov 2021

But I had already assessed their leanings several election cycles ago.

so there's that.

Haggard Celine

(17,821 posts)
82. Yeah, me too.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 11:16 PM
Nov 2021

16% doesn't sound like much, but I think it's one of the higher percentages of all the categories.

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
22. Progressive Left
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:17 PM
Nov 2021

There needs to be more questions.
There needs to be something further left than Progressive.
There need to be more candidates on the Far Left Radical side.

If the Republicans can coddle the nasty deplorables, why can't the Democrats cater to us?
If Italy can have 5 major parties, and 36 minor ones, why can't we have a few more?

I hate being called a goddamned Independent. It makes it sound like I'm teetering between the two.

I am so much more.

jcgoldie

(12,046 posts)
26. progressive left but...
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:20 PM
Nov 2021

...I also thought the phrasing of a lot of the questions matched up very closely to conservative ideology making me a bit queasy

mentalsolstice

(4,654 posts)
29. Progressive Left.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:26 PM
Nov 2021

My mother told me I would get more conservative as I age. Well, I turned 60 last year so I guess I’m a slow work in progress.

msfiddlestix

(8,178 posts)
30. Democratic "Mainstay" is where I fall on Pew
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:34 PM
Nov 2021

This is the first Pew poll I've ever responded to, if memory serves. I've never heard or read that term before now.

Excerpt re Democratic Mainstays:



Democratic Mainstays make up a larger share of the Democratic coalition than any other group. Older than other Democratic-oriented groups, they also have the highest share of Black non-Hispanic adults of any political typology group, and six-in-ten are women. They generally favor policies that expand the social safety net and support higher taxes on corporations, but they have a moderate tilt on other issues, including immigration and crime. Nearly half consider themselves “strong Democrats,” and they are generally positive about the Democratic Party and its leaders.


However Pew says Democratic Mainstays are only 16% of the Electorate. Wow.

As regards this poll, I found the questions and optional responses flawed in that both q's and a's were black/white - either/or failing to reflect complexities inherently in each of the issues.


That's why polling can't be relied on. Too much or not enough is read into answers or assumed in analyzing responses.

But still, a Democratic Mainstay is only 16% of the electorate says Pew.

Really?







kimbutgar

(27,248 posts)
35. Progressive leftie !
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:46 PM
Nov 2021

And proud of it!

The ones question on a scale if 1-100 how I feel about repukes, I put 0.

BumRushDaShow

(169,747 posts)
108. "question on a scale if 1-100 how I feel about repukes, I put 0."
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 11:03 AM
Nov 2021

I put them as "0" too but was shocked to see my final report then claiming -

Progressive Left, on average, rated Republicans 10.


What "Progressive Left" would consider someone from the GOP as anything other than "0"?

There should have been an option for negatives - like a -100.

LAS14

(15,506 posts)
65. Apparently you can't go back and look at those stats without taking the quiz again... nt
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 09:27 PM
Nov 2021

BumRushDaShow

(169,747 posts)
67. Unless you save your results (as HTML) like I did
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 09:49 PM
Nov 2021


I did a couple snap shots from my saved results. The first are the color-coded categories that they would assign you at the end of the quiz based on your responses -




The second is apparently showing your assigned category, how they define it, and where it falls in relationship to all categories -



Since the "sections" on the wheels don't appear to be of equal size, I'm going to guess that they represent the relative portions (percentages) of each category in the population.

LAS14

(15,506 posts)
70. Can you tell me how to do that without getting into a tutorial?
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 09:55 PM
Nov 2021

I use Chrome on Windows 10.

BumRushDaShow

(169,747 posts)
76. Well once you reach the end of the survey and they show the results
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 10:16 PM
Nov 2021

there should be some option from your browser menu to "Save Page As" (or equivalent) - my Chrome acts wacky on my windoze (I use Firefox) but when I tried it to go through the process, you should be able to click on the 3 dots in the upper right corner to get a drop-down menu, then look for "More tools" on that menu, and then when you select that, it should pop out another side-menu that says "Save Page As", and clicking on that should pop up a window where you can select where to save the files (you can create a new folder at that location) and also gives you the option to save the files as "Webpage Complete" (HTML...) which you would want to do.

(ETA - then to open up your saved page, you would go to the folder you saved it in and look for a file with an .html extension that has the name of the page you saved, and double click on that to open up the whole thing in the browser)

iemanja

(57,757 posts)
80. Some of the categories are odd
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 10:59 PM
Nov 2021

From the name, one would expect outsider left to be on the far left of the spectrum. Instead, it's next to independents.

BumRushDaShow

(169,747 posts)
97. Exactly and I agree
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 06:27 AM
Nov 2021

Much of their narrative of "Progressive Left" is actually "Establishment", although the suggestion was that this category was the "Democratic Socialists", but misses other positions that distinguish "Democratic Socialists" them from the "Establishment".

And the fact that they assumed that being "populist" is only a GOP thing is just ridiculous. I'm sitting here in PA watching our Lt. Governor John Fetterman, "populist" himself through a campaign for U.S. Senator with his cannabis legalization efforts among other things.

I know they seem to be trying to change the traditional "labels" but they created some new ones that don't make sense in order to subdivide the "sides" equally.

Using their "temperature" category labels (but not how they eventually categorized people in the results), I ball-parked this -

Progressive Left -- ACTIVIST LIBERAL / WORKER RIGHTS / DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS / GREENS
Establishment Liberals -- POPULIST SOCIAL LIBERAL / FISCAL LIBERAL / CIVIL RIGHTS / UNION SUPPORT
Democratic Mainstays -- TRADITIONAL SOCIAL LIBERAL / FISCAL LIBERAL / BIG TENT
Outsider Left -- MODERATE / INDEPENDENT LEAN LEFT
Stressed Sideliners -- NO AFFILIATION / APOLITICAL
Ambivalent Right -- MODERATE / INDEPENDENT LEAN RIGHT
Populist Right - MODERATE SOCIAL LIBERAL / FISCAL CONSERVATIVE / LIBERTARIAN
Committed Conservatives -- TRADITIONAL SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE / FISCAL CONSERVATIVE / CONSTITUTIONALIST
Faith and Flag Conservatives -- LOONS


Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
100. We need a left radical category. By far most who fit Pew's progressives
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 09:42 AM
Nov 2021

description are not radical, or "radicalized," but that category is made to include a very active and noisy minority whose proud identity is outside the mainstream.

The large group of liberals who'll commit to the end for progressive gains for real people is EXTREMELY DIFFERENT from the small group who willing (proudly!) to trash everything for everyone rather than compromise more than their faction is willing.

Politicians trying not to offend them often refer to them as "purists," but this is radical, outside the norm, behavior. "Purists" are the first to agree they are different.

And farther out still from radicals, LW extremists in some ways resemble RW extremists more than liberals, including embracing anti-democratic attitudes against majorities. Are they being categorized as "progressives"? Why?

BumRushDaShow

(169,747 posts)
101. I think they are actually missing that from both extreme ends
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 09:57 AM
Nov 2021

i.e., "the 'revolutionaries'" - the "leftists" vs the "fascists", both of whom promote an overthrowing of "the current system of government" to be replaced by one of their own vision.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
102. Yes, what's that about? WTF, Pew? It's a much bigger can of worms
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 10:10 AM
Nov 2021

to open on the right given the radicalization and move to extremism of large percentages of RWers, and immense power of RW organizations. Pew's among the most who don't dare open it and have been "adjusting" labels and definitions for political reasons.

As for the left, misdefining Democrats and liberals has been a major weapon in our defeats for 40 years (and more), and it's a huge weapon smashing at us now. Right-leaning MSM, the RW swiftboat machine, Russia all smear liberals/Democrats as radical and incompetent, and Pew's categories support that by rolling LW radicals and even extremists into the mainstream.

BumRushDaShow

(169,747 posts)
105. I was still stuck on them fantasizing about
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 10:29 AM
Nov 2021

"populists" only being someone from the right as if trying to channel one guy - Teddy Roosevelt - who was a Republican "progressive" and today would be considered "left" due to his push for government regulation, which has nothing to do with anything resembling today's anti-regulation GOP.

And I did mean to mention the lack of the term "progressive" anywhere in their category policy positions and one could see why (see above regarding TR, who ran as a "progressive" and was dubbed a "populist" for the right).

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
107. ! They're not the only ones pushing populism as a RW phenomenon,
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 11:01 AM
Nov 2021

aside from TR, these days, probably because RW populist movements are usually far larger and far more dangerous than LW, and successful a lot more often in taking down governments.

But our own LW and RW populilst movements had unmistakable similarities in techniques, strategies, and followings. Both worked hard to woo away and inherit each others' followers. And notably, they shared populist followers who were fine with either class-warfare or authoritarian leaders, whoever seemed stronger.

And true to form, the RW populist movement has grown into a real threat of imposing a RW authoritarian dictator on us, while the LW populists either joined the trumpists outright or settled back into their usual acting out of hostility toward Democrats from the left.

Didn't look, but assume Pew assigned the latter across mostly the liberal categories, depending on answers, leaving out identification of their aggressive and implacable antagonism toward the Democratic "establishment."

BumRushDaShow

(169,747 posts)
109. Well interestingly enough
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 11:36 AM
Nov 2021

I'm watching a LW "populist" campaigning here in PA for U.S. Senator (to replace Teabagger Toomey) - Lt. Gov. John Fetterman. He has latched onto a few popular policy positions and has gone full blown promotion of them - most notably legalizing marijuana.

For example, as a tactic, he will continually hang a LGBTQ rainbow banner on one of the balconies of the state Capitol building (where the GOP state legislature passed a law forbidding him from doing it) -




TEXT

John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
·
Nov 20, 2020
It’s kinda flattering that they changed Pennsylvania law just for me. 🥺👉👈

Speaking of changing laws...

I’ll take them down when we get:

LEGAL WEED 🟩 FOR PA + EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW for LGBTQIA+ community in PA.
⬛️🟫🟥🟧🟨🟩🟦🟪
Stephen Caruso
@StephenJ_Caruso
News: Lt. Gov. John Fetterman will be banned from flying flags off his second floor Capitol balcony under a provision tucked into the proposed Pa. state budget. Fetterman has used the perch for both Pride and marijuana legalization banners. https://penncapital-star.com/government-politics/harrisburg-gop-to-fetterman-go-fly-a-kite-not-a-flag/

John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
See y’all in June. 🥰
🖤🤎❤️🧡💛💚💙💜
Image
2:35 PM · Nov 20, 2020 from Pennsylvania, USA


and has rotated that with other ones like the below, with a Scranton teacher's union banner -




TEXT

John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
Can confirm
Stacy Lange
@stacylange
Replying to @stacylange
Lt. Gov. @JohnFetterman hanging the Scranton teachers union banner on a balcony at the Capitol. @wnep
Embedded video
12:03 PM · Nov 10, 2021





TEXT

John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
Beyond honored to welcome the membership of @sftlocal1147 to Harrisburg for them to rally for what they deserve.

✅ Restore Healthcare

✅ Fair Contract Now

Let @sftlocal1147 do what they do best: taking care of Scranton’s children.
Image
Image
12:02 PM · Nov 10, 2021


For me in a historical context, it's fascinating to see the modern version of it in "real time".

iemanja

(57,757 posts)
113. TR ran as a Progressive
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 03:20 PM
Nov 2021

with a capital P, as part of the Progressive Movement, which bears no similarity to progressives today.

BumRushDaShow

(169,747 posts)
125. Yes that was also the name of the 3rd party that he eventually founded
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 05:03 PM
Nov 2021

to make another go at it but that failed.

My point was to protest the "populist" moniker by this survey as only being applicable to the right (and that is generally due to their associating TR's anti-corporate (fiery) "populist rhetoric" coupled with his party affiliation during his Presidency).

But remember that most of the Republicans of the 19th and early 20th century have little or no comparative policies to the Republicans of today (other than perhaps Hoover). And someone like FDR, as a Democrat, was basically an exception to the Democratic party at that time.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
129. :) though of course we need to remember that many/most of us
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 05:31 PM
Nov 2021

would have been part of that progressive movement. Government should be used by the people to serve the people. We just wouldn't be among the radicals/extremists drawn to it.

Just try to find a liberal who isn't a strong believer in progressivism. Many conservatives also, though they're trained to see it as a dirty word it in this era. But both Teddy Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhower were moderate conservative progressives, and trumpists are passionately protective of their Social Security, etc.

Speaking of extreme behaviors than and now, another commonality through all, including the New Deal era: Each time, the radicals and extremists drawn to progressive movements believed they could take over or destroy the mainstream party(ies) as part of their reforms. And of course failing that, each time they then passionately opposed, and attempted to kill, the parties' progressive reforms.

“History Doesn't Repeat Itself, but It Often Rhymes” – Mark Twain. Let's hope in the Biden era it merely hums a bit harmlessly.


iemanja

(57,757 posts)
112. This quiz asks about positions on issues
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 03:18 PM
Nov 2021

and ignores personality, tactics, and favorite politicians, the last three of which seem to be central to the identity of some who call themselves progressive.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
49. Estabishment liberal. Though the choices left much to be desired.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:43 PM
Nov 2021

That last one I knew would label me more of a hawk on war if I chose remaining most powerful would be preferable. Yet who in their right mind would prefer to have another nation -- one warlike enough to build a huge military machine like ours -- become as powerful (and history says likely far more dangerous) than us? When they could just say no to that?

electric_blue68

(26,856 posts)
90. I voted like that too, on that question. I also agree more with you...
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 01:37 AM
Nov 2021

I don't want Russia, or China to become Superpowers (though China might supercede us at some point).

I'd prefer if we could reduce our military.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
98. Exactly. We and many other nations actually have been downsizing
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 08:29 AM
Nov 2021

our militaries overall for a long time, not the same thing as reducing military power though. I'd love to be able to step that down also, and one thing I hope will be a positive outcome from the tRump betrayal of all our allies and destabilizing of the planet will be less dependence by others on our military. As we scrabble to spend a few billion on desperately needed domestic improvements over 10 years, it might help to remember that we spent over $2TRILLION in Afghanistan over 20.

In any case, Pew simplifies terminology to the point of warping it, KISS principle I guess. Ignoring reality that can't be ignored is not "more liberal." Now, if they'd asked if we'd prefer to always have a bigger piece of cake than everyone else or if it'd be okay if everyone got as much as us, ...


mvd

(65,912 posts)
56. Progressive Left
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 07:36 PM
Nov 2021

Not surprised at all!

It felt good to give Republicans a 0 in that one question. I gave Democrats 80 but there are a minority of Democrats keeping the score from being higher.

Leith

(7,864 posts)
57. Progressive Left
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 07:52 PM
Nov 2021

A couple of the questions needed more options to choose from. Case in point: about prison sentences being too long, too short, or just right. I had to choose too long because there are many prisoners who are spending way too long in prison because they were caught with drugs or shoplifted small items and incarcerated under 3 strikes while other prisoners seem to get out too early after committing violent crimes.

Progressive Left and proud of it!

BumRushDaShow

(169,747 posts)
64. Wow. Surprising for me - Progressive Left
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 09:26 PM
Nov 2021
Your best fit is…
Progressive Left
… along with 6% of the public




I do agree that some of the questions needed some nuance options that weren't there, for example the prison one for "convicted criminals". That touches on the whole "criminal justice system" issue that is very much biased and in need of reform, so it can't be broad-brushed with the simplistic Goldilocks options that were given.

Mossfern

(4,715 posts)
66. Democratic Mainstay
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 09:38 PM
Nov 2021

I usually don't like these quizzes because quite often I need to qualify my answers and there's no way to do that.

mcar

(46,056 posts)
71. Progressive Left
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 09:59 PM
Nov 2021

Not really me at all, at least insofar as who I identify with, politically.

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
89. Me too. Not really me.
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 01:06 AM
Nov 2021

Like reading what your personality is supposed to be according to your astrological sign and it's nothing like you.

Solly Mack

(96,942 posts)
83. I think the quiz needed more answer choices.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 11:18 PM
Nov 2021

But I always end up somewhere on the left on these things.

Poiuyt

(18,272 posts)
78. Dammit! I'm only an Establishment Liberal
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 10:19 PM
Nov 2021

I thought for sure I'd be a Progressive Left.

FakeNoose

(41,631 posts)
117. I know - I came from a midwestern Republican family
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 03:34 PM
Nov 2021

Both my Grandpa and my Dad voted GOP, even though I'm a straight-D voter.
I think my siblings are all Democrats and liberals too.

electric_blue68

(26,856 posts)
91. Progressive Left
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 02:05 AM
Nov 2021

Bc I answered several questions a certain way I thought I'd be Establishment Liberal.

I think I'm a mix of some EL, with probably more of PL. Despite, I suppose, some might think cognitive dissonance. So I'm pretty comfortable with this. 👍

They also needed more chocies, and nuance.

For instance on the prison question - I put 'about right amount'. Because -
African-Americans, and other POC too often get too harsh(!!!) sentences for low(er) level crimes bc of poor representation, biased juries, etc

OTOH certain Repuglicans I can think of, and serious Corporate Crime, also maybe Institutional Crime (thinking Flint, Mich's change in water policy) where so many people's lives are upended, are injured, or even die - need stiffer penalties!!!

If I chose one of the other answers it would pretty much negate the other group's problem.


 

Earth-shine

(4,044 posts)
94. Democratic Mainstay. How could this be?
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 04:13 AM
Nov 2021

I'm a Bernie Sanders/AOC/Elizabeth Warren kind of guy.

I think I need some time to re-evaluate myself.

FakeNoose

(41,631 posts)
119. Take a look at my answers on post #85
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 03:40 PM
Nov 2021

I'm not a Bernie Sanders supporter, however I did score "Progressive Left" on this poll.

I posted my answers in case anyone wanted to see what answers you had to give in order to get it.
(Not that I was trying - I really gave honest answers as best I could.)

blogslug

(39,167 posts)
111. Progressive Left
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 03:00 PM
Nov 2021

I may vote pragmatically but my ideals are purely granola and unicorns.

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
118. Democratic Mainstays!!!
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 03:35 PM
Nov 2021

Your best fit is…
Democratic Mainstays
… along with 16% of the public

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UTUSN

(77,795 posts)
132. Democratic Mainstays
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 07:17 PM
Nov 2021

"Democratic Mainstays make up a larger share of the Democratic coalition than any other group. Older than other Democratic-oriented groups, they also have the highest share of Black non-Hispanic adults of any political typology group, and six-in-ten are women. They generally favor policies that expand the social safety net and support higher taxes on corporations, but they have a moderate tilt on other issues, including immigration and crime. Nearly half consider themselves “strong Democrats,” and they are generally positive about the Democratic Party and its leaders."






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mnhtnbb

(33,348 posts)
139. Progressive Left
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 06:28 AM
Nov 2021

No surprise. In with the only group that supports democratic socialism.

Upthevibe

(10,180 posts)
141. Progressive Left....
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 10:48 AM
Nov 2021

No big surprise for me...

And I love someone's comment who said maybe the 6% of us are here on DU

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