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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTake the Pew Research quiz: Where do you fit in the political typology?
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/quiz/political-typology/EYESORE 9001
(29,732 posts)I wouldnt have expected anything else.
Dorian Gray
(13,850 posts)establishment liberal.
underpants
(196,494 posts)Along with 13% of the public
tblue37
(68,436 posts)intrepidity
(8,582 posts)Response to tblue37 (Reply #3)
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MineralMan
(151,268 posts)based on truthful and thoughtful answers to all questions.
Not exactly a surprise.
MineralMan
(151,268 posts)That's often the case with such surveys. In many cases, there weren't enough choices for answers and few choices that let you answer in between the two or three possible choices.
Not enough nuance in the survey, it seemed to me. Further, the survey was too easy for someone to bend the results in whatever directly they wanted.
So...it's not as useful as I'd like it to be, frankly.
intrepidity
(8,582 posts)The prison question comes to mind... Too little time for Republicans, too much time for non-white minor offenders.
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)the most anyway. I think I got the free speech questions wrong lol. (The ones about people being able to say offensive things and people being too easily offended).
I'm pretty much on the side of unfettered free speech even if it's gross and fucked up. People can (and often do) say fucked up things to me and it just doesn't bother me because fuck them.
Threatening speech is already addressed by laws I reckon. But I like knowing who the racist pieces of shit are.
piddyprints
(15,107 posts)skypilot
(9,128 posts)After I read the second question I just skipped the survey altogether.
Diablo del sol
(424 posts)Guess it is hard to get a lot of detail in a poll.
mcar
(46,056 posts)Dorian Gray
(13,850 posts)questions were more about social perception than about political policy desires, but I'm not surprised about where I landed.
tblue37
(68,436 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I knew the general % overall from other stats and observed the high involvement here, so no surprise. I disagree with Pew's describing some differences as "more liberal" than the most similar liberal categories. More something, though.
piddyprints
(15,107 posts)even though I struggled with some of the questions.
sakabatou
(46,146 posts)IbogaProject
(5,913 posts)Outsider Left
along with 10% of the public
Amishman
(5,929 posts)I vote blue because its the best fit of the options available, though there are topics where I wish our direction or approach would be different.
Also fits as I'm pretty sure I'm a fair bit younger than much of DU
Piasladic
(1,171 posts)just sharing my results
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Elessar Zappa
(16,385 posts)Kinda surprised Im not establishment liberal. A few of the answers I gave werent the furthest left choices possible.
Bettie
(19,704 posts)unsurprising though.
hauckeye
(799 posts)radicalleft
(576 posts)9. Democratic Mainstays
Racially diverse, older, steadfast Democrats: Economically liberal, pro-military and moderate on immigration and social issues
ShazamIam
(3,129 posts)choose a response even if you don't agree with it if it is manipulative to sell you an identity, not identify one.
They are just busy working up the 2022 Midterm talking points.
The aim for decades now is, control the narrative and dialogue,
Right now the media is pushing the dialogue and narrative that the Democratic President and Congress are failing.
bottomofthehill
(9,390 posts)SarasotaDem
(230 posts)NT
panader0
(25,816 posts)Progress is the way forward.
Wounded Bear
(64,324 posts)Fairly accurate:
msfiddlestix
(8,178 posts)hmm.
Wounded Bear
(64,324 posts)Not sure how much I trust their analysis. Looks like they're trying to divide us into smaller and smaller tribes.
msfiddlestix
(8,178 posts)But I had already assessed their leanings several election cycles ago.
so there's that.
Haggard Celine
(17,821 posts)16% doesn't sound like much, but I think it's one of the higher percentages of all the categories.
FSogol
(47,623 posts)7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)There needs to be more questions.
There needs to be something further left than Progressive.
There need to be more candidates on the Far Left Radical side.
If the Republicans can coddle the nasty deplorables, why can't the Democrats cater to us?
If Italy can have 5 major parties, and 36 minor ones, why can't we have a few more?
I hate being called a goddamned Independent. It makes it sound like I'm teetering between the two.
I am so much more.
Peacetrain
(24,288 posts)jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)...I also thought the phrasing of a lot of the questions matched up very closely to conservative ideology making me a bit queasy
nocoincidences
(2,489 posts)There seem to be a lot of us on this thread!
mentalsolstice
(4,654 posts)My mother told me I would get more conservative as I age. Well, I turned 60 last year so I guess Im a slow work in progress.
msfiddlestix
(8,178 posts)This is the first Pew poll I've ever responded to, if memory serves. I've never heard or read that term before now.
Excerpt re Democratic Mainstays:
Democratic Mainstays make up a larger share of the Democratic coalition than any other group. Older than other Democratic-oriented groups, they also have the highest share of Black non-Hispanic adults of any political typology group, and six-in-ten are women. They generally favor policies that expand the social safety net and support higher taxes on corporations, but they have a moderate tilt on other issues, including immigration and crime. Nearly half consider themselves strong Democrats, and they are generally positive about the Democratic Party and its leaders.
However Pew says Democratic Mainstays are only 16% of the Electorate. Wow.
As regards this poll, I found the questions and optional responses flawed in that both q's and a's were black/white - either/or failing to reflect complexities inherently in each of the issues.
That's why polling can't be relied on. Too much or not enough is read into answers or assumed in analyzing responses.
But still, a Democratic Mainstay is only 16% of the electorate says Pew.
Really?
BeerBarrelPolka
(2,173 posts)n/m
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)Generic Brad
(14,374 posts)Yet I feel conservative in comparison to others here. Odd.
kimbutgar
(27,248 posts)And proud of it!
The ones question on a scale if 1-100 how I feel about repukes, I put 0.
BumRushDaShow
(169,747 posts)I put them as "0" too but was shocked to see my final report then claiming -
What "Progressive Left" would consider someone from the GOP as anything other than "0"?
There should have been an option for negatives - like a -100.
RainCaster
(13,710 posts)Politicub
(12,328 posts)Along with six percent of the public.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)StarryNite
(12,115 posts)Coventina
(29,731 posts)sinkingfeeling
(57,835 posts)Patterson
(1,579 posts)iemanja
(57,757 posts)Along with 6% of the country.
LAS14
(15,506 posts)iemanja
(57,757 posts)Of the entire country.
LAS14
(15,506 posts)BumRushDaShow
(169,747 posts)I did a couple snap shots from my saved results. The first are the color-coded categories that they would assign you at the end of the quiz based on your responses -

The second is apparently showing your assigned category, how they define it, and where it falls in relationship to all categories -

Since the "sections" on the wheels don't appear to be of equal size, I'm going to guess that they represent the relative portions (percentages) of each category in the population.
LAS14
(15,506 posts)I use Chrome on Windows 10.
BumRushDaShow
(169,747 posts)there should be some option from your browser menu to "Save Page As" (or equivalent) - my Chrome acts wacky on my windoze (I use Firefox) but when I tried it to go through the process, you should be able to click on the 3 dots in the upper right corner to get a drop-down menu, then look for "More tools" on that menu, and then when you select that, it should pop out another side-menu that says "Save Page As", and clicking on that should pop up a window where you can select where to save the files (you can create a new folder at that location) and also gives you the option to save the files as "Webpage Complete" (HTML...) which you would want to do.
(ETA - then to open up your saved page, you would go to the folder you saved it in and look for a file with an .html extension that has the name of the page you saved, and double click on that to open up the whole thing in the browser)
LAS14
(15,506 posts)BumRushDaShow
(169,747 posts)iemanja
(57,757 posts)From the name, one would expect outsider left to be on the far left of the spectrum. Instead, it's next to independents.
BumRushDaShow
(169,747 posts)Much of their narrative of "Progressive Left" is actually "Establishment", although the suggestion was that this category was the "Democratic Socialists", but misses other positions that distinguish "Democratic Socialists" them from the "Establishment".
And the fact that they assumed that being "populist" is only a GOP thing is just ridiculous. I'm sitting here in PA watching our Lt. Governor John Fetterman, "populist" himself through a campaign for U.S. Senator with his cannabis legalization efforts among other things.
I know they seem to be trying to change the traditional "labels" but they created some new ones that don't make sense in order to subdivide the "sides" equally.
Using their "temperature" category labels (but not how they eventually categorized people in the results), I ball-parked this -
Establishment Liberals -- POPULIST SOCIAL LIBERAL / FISCAL LIBERAL / CIVIL RIGHTS / UNION SUPPORT
Democratic Mainstays -- TRADITIONAL SOCIAL LIBERAL / FISCAL LIBERAL / BIG TENT
Outsider Left -- MODERATE / INDEPENDENT LEAN LEFT
Stressed Sideliners -- NO AFFILIATION / APOLITICAL
Ambivalent Right -- MODERATE / INDEPENDENT LEAN RIGHT
Populist Right - MODERATE SOCIAL LIBERAL / FISCAL CONSERVATIVE / LIBERTARIAN
Committed Conservatives -- TRADITIONAL SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE / FISCAL CONSERVATIVE / CONSTITUTIONALIST
Faith and Flag Conservatives -- LOONS
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)description are not radical, or "radicalized," but that category is made to include a very active and noisy minority whose proud identity is outside the mainstream.
The large group of liberals who'll commit to the end for progressive gains for real people is EXTREMELY DIFFERENT from the small group who willing (proudly!) to trash everything for everyone rather than compromise more than their faction is willing.
Politicians trying not to offend them often refer to them as "purists," but this is radical, outside the norm, behavior. "Purists" are the first to agree they are different.
And farther out still from radicals, LW extremists in some ways resemble RW extremists more than liberals, including embracing anti-democratic attitudes against majorities. Are they being categorized as "progressives"? Why?
BumRushDaShow
(169,747 posts)i.e., "the 'revolutionaries'" - the "leftists" vs the "fascists", both of whom promote an overthrowing of "the current system of government" to be replaced by one of their own vision.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)to open on the right given the radicalization and move to extremism of large percentages of RWers, and immense power of RW organizations. Pew's among the most who don't dare open it and have been "adjusting" labels and definitions for political reasons.
As for the left, misdefining Democrats and liberals has been a major weapon in our defeats for 40 years (and more), and it's a huge weapon smashing at us now. Right-leaning MSM, the RW swiftboat machine, Russia all smear liberals/Democrats as radical and incompetent, and Pew's categories support that by rolling LW radicals and even extremists into the mainstream.
BumRushDaShow
(169,747 posts)"populists" only being someone from the right as if trying to channel one guy - Teddy Roosevelt - who was a Republican "progressive" and today would be considered "left" due to his push for government regulation, which has nothing to do with anything resembling today's anti-regulation GOP.
And I did mean to mention the lack of the term "progressive" anywhere in their category policy positions and one could see why (see above regarding TR, who ran as a "progressive" and was dubbed a "populist" for the right).
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)aside from TR, these days, probably because RW populist movements are usually far larger and far more dangerous than LW, and successful a lot more often in taking down governments.
But our own LW and RW populilst movements had unmistakable similarities in techniques, strategies, and followings. Both worked hard to woo away and inherit each others' followers. And notably, they shared populist followers who were fine with either class-warfare or authoritarian leaders, whoever seemed stronger.
And true to form, the RW populist movement has grown into a real threat of imposing a RW authoritarian dictator on us, while the LW populists either joined the trumpists outright or settled back into their usual acting out of hostility toward Democrats from the left.
Didn't look, but assume Pew assigned the latter across mostly the liberal categories, depending on answers, leaving out identification of their aggressive and implacable antagonism toward the Democratic "establishment."
BumRushDaShow
(169,747 posts)I'm watching a LW "populist" campaigning here in PA for U.S. Senator (to replace Teabagger Toomey) - Lt. Gov. John Fetterman. He has latched onto a few popular policy positions and has gone full blown promotion of them - most notably legalizing marijuana.
For example, as a tactic, he will continually hang a LGBTQ rainbow banner on one of the balconies of the state Capitol building (where the GOP state legislature passed a law forbidding him from doing it) -
Link to tweet
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John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
·
Nov 20, 2020
Its kinda flattering that they changed Pennsylvania law just for me. 🥺👉👈
Speaking of changing laws...
Ill take them down when we get:
LEGAL WEED 🟩 FOR PA + EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW for LGBTQIA+ community in PA.
⬛️🟫🟥🟧🟨🟩🟦🟪Stephen Caruso
@StephenJ_Caruso
News: Lt. Gov. John Fetterman will be banned from flying flags off his second floor Capitol balcony under a provision tucked into the proposed Pa. state budget. Fetterman has used the perch for both Pride and marijuana legalization banners. https://penncapital-star.com/government-politics/harrisburg-gop-to-fetterman-go-fly-a-kite-not-a-flag/
John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
See yall in June. 🥰
🖤🤎❤️🧡💛💚💙💜
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2:35 PM · Nov 20, 2020 from Pennsylvania, USA
and has rotated that with other ones like the below, with a Scranton teacher's union banner -
Link to tweet
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@JohnFetterman
Can confirm
Stacy Lange
@stacylange
Replying to @stacylange
Lt. Gov. @JohnFetterman hanging the Scranton teachers union banner on a balcony at the Capitol. @wnep
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12:03 PM · Nov 10, 2021
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@JohnFetterman
Beyond honored to welcome the membership of @sftlocal1147 to Harrisburg for them to rally for what they deserve.
✅ Restore Healthcare
✅ Fair Contract Now
Let @sftlocal1147 do what they do best: taking care of Scrantons children.
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12:02 PM · Nov 10, 2021
For me in a historical context, it's fascinating to see the modern version of it in "real time".
iemanja
(57,757 posts)with a capital P, as part of the Progressive Movement, which bears no similarity to progressives today.
BumRushDaShow
(169,747 posts)to make another go at it but that failed.
My point was to protest the "populist" moniker by this survey as only being applicable to the right (and that is generally due to their associating TR's anti-corporate (fiery) "populist rhetoric" coupled with his party affiliation during his Presidency).
But remember that most of the Republicans of the 19th and early 20th century have little or no comparative policies to the Republicans of today (other than perhaps Hoover). And someone like FDR, as a Democrat, was basically an exception to the Democratic party at that time.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)would have been part of that progressive movement. Government should be used by the people to serve the people. We just wouldn't be among the radicals/extremists drawn to it.
Just try to find a liberal who isn't a strong believer in progressivism. Many conservatives also, though they're trained to see it as a dirty word it in this era. But both Teddy Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhower were moderate conservative progressives, and trumpists are passionately protective of their Social Security, etc.
Speaking of extreme behaviors than and now, another commonality through all, including the New Deal era: Each time, the radicals and extremists drawn to progressive movements believed they could take over or destroy the mainstream party(ies) as part of their reforms. And of course failing that, each time they then passionately opposed, and attempted to kill, the parties' progressive reforms.
History Doesn't Repeat Itself, but It Often Rhymes Mark Twain. Let's hope in the Biden era it merely hums a bit harmlessly.
iemanja
(57,757 posts)and ignores personality, tactics, and favorite politicians, the last three of which seem to be central to the identity of some who call themselves progressive.
iemanja
(57,757 posts)nice touch!
LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)The problem is the answers did not provide much leeway.
DLevine
(1,791 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)That last one I knew would label me more of a hawk on war if I chose remaining most powerful would be preferable. Yet who in their right mind would prefer to have another nation -- one warlike enough to build a huge military machine like ours -- become as powerful (and history says likely far more dangerous) than us? When they could just say no to that?
electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)I don't want Russia, or China to become Superpowers (though China might supercede us at some point).
I'd prefer if we could reduce our military.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)our militaries overall for a long time, not the same thing as reducing military power though. I'd love to be able to step that down also, and one thing I hope will be a positive outcome from the tRump betrayal of all our allies and destabilizing of the planet will be less dependence by others on our military. As we scrabble to spend a few billion on desperately needed domestic improvements over 10 years, it might help to remember that we spent over $2TRILLION in Afghanistan over 20.
In any case, Pew simplifies terminology to the point of warping it, KISS principle I guess. Ignoring reality that can't be ignored is not "more liberal." Now, if they'd asked if we'd prefer to always have a bigger piece of cake than everyone else or if it'd be okay if everyone got as much as us, ...
JanMichael
(25,725 posts)Your best fit is
Progressive Left
along with 6% of the public
Tommy Carcetti
(44,498 posts)sciencescience
(117 posts)W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)mvd
(65,912 posts)Not surprised at all!
It felt good to give Republicans a 0 in that one question. I gave Democrats 80 but there are a minority of Democrats keeping the score from being higher.
Leith
(7,864 posts)A couple of the questions needed more options to choose from. Case in point: about prison sentences being too long, too short, or just right. I had to choose too long because there are many prisoners who are spending way too long in prison because they were caught with drugs or shoplifted small items and incarcerated under 3 strikes while other prisoners seem to get out too early after committing violent crimes.
Progressive Left and proud of it!
SYFROYH
(34,214 posts)Greybnk48
(10,724 posts)Not surprised.
Kaleva
(40,365 posts)MustLoveBeagles
(16,402 posts)Not a surprise.
Akacia
(651 posts)BumRushDaShow
(169,747 posts)Progressive Left
along with 6% of the public
I do agree that some of the questions needed some nuance options that weren't there, for example the prison one for "convicted criminals". That touches on the whole "criminal justice system" issue that is very much biased and in need of reform, so it can't be broad-brushed with the simplistic Goldilocks options that were given.
Mossfern
(4,715 posts)I usually don't like these quizzes because quite often I need to qualify my answers and there's no way to do that.
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)highplainsdem
(62,136 posts)mcar
(46,056 posts)Not really me at all, at least insofar as who I identify with, politically.
betsuni
(29,078 posts)Like reading what your personality is supposed to be according to your astrological sign and it's nothing like you.
marble falls
(71,919 posts)Rhiannon12866
(255,525 posts)marble falls
(71,919 posts)Solly Mack
(96,942 posts)a kennedy
(35,978 posts)Solly Mack
(96,942 posts)But I always end up somewhere on the left on these things.
MustLoveBeagles
(16,402 posts)No nuance at all.
Poiuyt
(18,272 posts)I thought for sure I'd be a Progressive Left.
NewHendoLib
(61,857 posts)not at all surprised.
FakeNoose
(41,631 posts)Here's what they said about my answers, compared to other Progressive Lefts, and "General Population" answers.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/quiz/political-typology/results/?archetype=b1b780f5168f6a5973d642ccee301771
Interesting!
mvd
(65,912 posts)We differed on a few responses but both got Progressive Left.
FakeNoose
(41,631 posts)Thanks for sharing yours!
Bettie
(19,704 posts)I think I rated them a 0.
FakeNoose
(41,631 posts)Both my Grandpa and my Dad voted GOP, even though I'm a straight-D voter.
I think my siblings are all Democrats and liberals too.
YoshidaYui
(45,409 posts)n/t
electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)Bc I answered several questions a certain way I thought I'd be Establishment Liberal.
I think I'm a mix of some EL, with probably more of PL. Despite, I suppose, some might think cognitive dissonance. So I'm pretty comfortable with this. 👍
They also needed more chocies, and nuance.
For instance on the prison question - I put 'about right amount'. Because -
African-Americans, and other POC too often get too harsh(!!!) sentences for low(er) level crimes bc of poor representation, biased juries, etc
OTOH certain Repuglicans I can think of, and serious Corporate Crime, also maybe Institutional Crime (thinking Flint, Mich's change in water policy) where so many people's lives are upended, are injured, or even die - need stiffer penalties!!!
If I chose one of the other answers it would pretty much negate the other group's problem.
burrowowl
(18,494 posts)Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)Earth-shine
(4,044 posts)I'm a Bernie Sanders/AOC/Elizabeth Warren kind of guy.
I think I need some time to re-evaluate myself.
FakeNoose
(41,631 posts)I'm not a Bernie Sanders supporter, however I did score "Progressive Left" on this poll.
I posted my answers in case anyone wanted to see what answers you had to give in order to get it.
(Not that I was trying - I really gave honest answers as best I could.)
pfitz59
(12,704 posts)along with 16% of the population
LuckyCharms
(22,648 posts)onethatcares
(16,992 posts)but I have this dirty feeling I've been push polled.
Kahuna
(27,366 posts)Whatever than means.
budkin
(6,849 posts)blogslug
(39,167 posts)I may vote pragmatically but my ideals are purely granola and unicorns.
Dave says
(5,425 posts)GoneOffShore
(18,020 posts)But then I pretty much knew that.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)Your best fit is
Democratic Mainstays
along with 16% of the public
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Celerity
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bluewater
(5,420 posts)IcyPeas
(25,475 posts)marie999
(3,334 posts)Jimbo S
(3,043 posts)Wished I could have seen what the other eight groups were.
NutmegYankee
(16,478 posts)UTUSN
(77,795 posts)"Democratic Mainstays make up a larger share of the Democratic coalition than any other group. Older than other Democratic-oriented groups, they also have the highest share of Black non-Hispanic adults of any political typology group, and six-in-ten are women. They generally favor policies that expand the social safety net and support higher taxes on corporations, but they have a moderate tilt on other issues, including immigration and crime. Nearly half consider themselves strong Democrats, and they are generally positive about the Democratic Party and its leaders."
Xavier Breath
(6,640 posts)Response to Ocelot II (Original post)
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shanti
(21,799 posts)mnhtnbb
(33,348 posts)No surprise. In with the only group that supports democratic socialism.
Upthevibe
(10,180 posts)No big surprise for me...
And I love someone's comment who said maybe the 6% of us are here on DU
