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Apparently Kyle Rittenhouse is on the witness stand. (Original Post) Tomconroy Nov 2021 OP
Live on youtube via PBS... PoliticAverse Nov 2021 #1
The cross will be interesting Sympthsical Nov 2021 #2
I'm watching. MoonRiver Nov 2021 #3
Don't all first aid volunteers carry guns? tblue37 Nov 2021 #4
Interestingly enough, the medic he shot was armed also. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #6
Exactly, lol! MoonRiver Nov 2021 #7
The other medic he shot sarisataka Nov 2021 #11
I don't think his was illegal imaginary girl Nov 2021 #39
Our shooter was too young sarisataka Nov 2021 #42
Just wanted to offer first aid with the first aid kit he was carrying. blm Nov 2021 #5
Because HE might need some first aid, considering he was locked and loaded. MoonRiver Nov 2021 #8
First aid? SheltieLover Nov 2021 #16
I'm so hoping the jury sees it that way. Most people wouldn't think first aid equals murder. MoonRiver Nov 2021 #28
Recommended. H2O Man Nov 2021 #9
Not to hear him tell it. SergeStorms Nov 2021 #13
I'm hoping that H2O Man Nov 2021 #19
I am mildly surprised sarisataka Nov 2021 #10
What about the H2O Man Nov 2021 #14
I haven't watched religiously sarisataka Nov 2021 #37
Good points. H2O Man Nov 2021 #38
overreach and miscues Amishman Nov 2021 #40
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2021 #41
He'll never be able to keep his story straight. marble falls Nov 2021 #12
He seems like... SergeStorms Nov 2021 #18
What an odd, performative attitude. nolabear Nov 2021 #15
Did he offer first aid to the people he shot ? Beachnutt Nov 2021 #17
Not that I'm aware. SergeStorms Nov 2021 #24
The dilemma of our times. Baitball Blogger Nov 2021 #20
He is sobbing and crying now alittlelark Nov 2021 #21
Maybe he understood for the first time that he had no business being there. Baitball Blogger Nov 2021 #25
Cue the fake crying glasses with hidden pump. n/t MarcA Nov 2021 #35
I haven't watched today Chille Nov 2021 #22
LOL, alligator tears now, with not a drop coming from his eyes! MoonRiver Nov 2021 #23
Yah, noticed that as well...... a kennedy Nov 2021 #32
and let's look at the damn judge......ugh. a kennedy Nov 2021 #26
When I do... SergeStorms Nov 2021 #31
He is really putting on a performance Beachnutt Nov 2021 #27
I don't think so. I think he panicked. nolabear Nov 2021 #30
I did briefly, I'm watching om court tv Beachnutt Nov 2021 #36
Did you see any real tears? SergeStorms Nov 2021 #33
He's having a panic attack. nolabear Nov 2021 #29
Well, that was fast. Iggo Nov 2021 #34

Sympthsical

(9,041 posts)
2. The cross will be interesting
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 11:59 AM
Nov 2021

The defense portion is clearly rehearsed - any attorney would.

But I want to see how it goes with the prosecutors.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
3. I'm watching.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 11:59 AM
Nov 2021

Portraying himself as somebody who just wanted to offer first aid. Can't wait until the prosecution gets hold of him.

sarisataka

(18,501 posts)
11. The other medic he shot
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:11 PM
Nov 2021

Was also illegally carrying a gun so I wouldn't hammer that point too hard if I was the prosecutor.

imaginary girl

(861 posts)
39. I don't think his was illegal
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 01:22 PM
Nov 2021

I think Kyle's gun was illegal since he was too young to own and carry it and he crossed state lines with it. The man he injured was an adult.

sarisataka

(18,501 posts)
42. Our shooter was too young
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 01:37 PM
Nov 2021

To buy the rifle but he didn't cross state lines with it. It was purchased for him and given (another issue deserving to be addressed) in Wisconsin

The person who was shot previously had a permit to carry but it had expired so he was not legal that night.

H2O Man

(73,513 posts)
9. Recommended.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:07 PM
Nov 2021

He is such a repulsive shit.

As others have said, it will be interesting when the cross-examination starts. He is pretty nervous in this, the rehearsed part. I look forward to seeing him melt down under serious questioning.

SergeStorms

(19,187 posts)
13. Not to hear him tell it.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:16 PM
Nov 2021

If you went by how he described himself, he's every mother's ideal son, the all-American boy, a paragon of virtue!

I had to turn it off. I like good fiction as much as anyone, but I know when someone is blowing smoke up my ass. This little shit didn't go to Wisconsin to offer first aid. He went there because he wanted to shoot people. "Mission Accomplished"!

H2O Man

(73,513 posts)
19. I'm hoping that
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:21 PM
Nov 2021

the jury finds him as repulsive as I do. Back when I worked at the clinic, we had a guy about his age who fancied himself an EMT, fireman, and police officer, and frequently got in trouble for attempting to insert himself in incidents that did not require his fantasy of being a hero. But he didn't kill anyone.

The constant gesturing, changing expressions, etc are hard to watch. As is his weeping.

sarisataka

(18,501 posts)
10. I am mildly surprised
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:09 PM
Nov 2021

He took the stand after the prosecution did so poorly. If he falls apart on the stand the door that opened will slam shut.

H2O Man

(73,513 posts)
14. What about the
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:17 PM
Nov 2021

prosecution case did you think was poorly done? I haven't watched that much of the case, in part because I think the judge had been acting as the lead defense attorney in the pre-trial hearings that I did see. He reminded me of Judge Hoffman from the Chicago Seven trial, although he insured the defense had plenty of issues to appeal on.

sarisataka

(18,501 posts)
37. I haven't watched religiously
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:50 PM
Nov 2021

But most of the prosecution witnesses appeared to give testimony that supported the self defense claim. The person who was shot but survived admitted he was shot only after he pointed his gun, not when it was in hand.

After testimony that the first victim was shot while down on the ground he admitted on cross that the wound could also have happened to a person charging with a lowered head.

The narrative that the shooter pursued the first victim was shown to be incorrect and was exactly the opposite.

That is a lot on the side of reasonable doubt, which can all be overcome with one statement from the defendant.

H2O Man

(73,513 posts)
38. Good points.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:56 PM
Nov 2021

I did see part of the testimony of the fellow who was shot and survived. He was not a very good witness for the prosecution. A jury's decision is frequently influenced on who is likable. He was not.

Amishman

(5,554 posts)
40. overreach and miscues
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 01:33 PM
Nov 2021

The prosecution's opening statement included a claim that Rittenhouse was chasing Rosenbaum prior to the first shooting. It came out very quickly in both video and witness testimony that the opposite was true

Missteps on their part allowed the defense to get in that Rosenbaum was bipolar and had depression, and was off his medication.

Grosskreutz's testimony was a trainwreck, he was very poorly prepared.

The medical examiner also shouldn't have been called, as the testimony that Rosenbaum's hands were on the rifle when it was fired also really weakens the case.

SergeStorms

(19,187 posts)
18. He seems like...
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:20 PM
Nov 2021

a very accomplished liar. Of course they've prepped him for weeks on his testimony.

After you repeat a lie to yourself so many times, your mind begins to believe you're telling the truth.

He's a creepy little nazi. 😳

nolabear

(41,938 posts)
15. What an odd, performative attitude.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:18 PM
Nov 2021

I mean sure, rehearse your testimony. I would. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens when he’s asked questions out of his comfort zone.

SergeStorms

(19,187 posts)
24. Not that I'm aware.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:22 PM
Nov 2021

He went walking around looking for more people with whom he could administer last-aid. He still had plenty of ammo left.

Baitball Blogger

(46,684 posts)
20. The dilemma of our times.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:21 PM
Nov 2021

The protesters thought he was an active shooter and Rittenhouse had no clothing to suggest otherwise. He also didn't have the experience to understand that he was in way over his head. We just can't allow people to do what he did without proper training.

 

Chille

(193 posts)
22. I haven't watched today
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:21 PM
Nov 2021

but I have listened to the prosecutors witnesses and I'm thinking he's not going to be convicted of murdering anyone

SergeStorms

(19,187 posts)
31. When I do...
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:29 PM
Nov 2021

I imagine him wearing a Nazi SS uniform, his eyes gleaming with delight whenever Rittenhouse describes shooting those people who so viciously "ambushed him".

Yes, those were his exact words. He was "ambushed".

Beachnutt

(7,290 posts)
27. He is really putting on a performance
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:24 PM
Nov 2021

crying and coughing and putting on a real show, but after the judge called a break and jury left, he walked across the room in front of the camera very briefly and no crying that I could see

nolabear

(41,938 posts)
30. I don't think so. I think he panicked.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:29 PM
Nov 2021

I didn’t see him walk across. We’ll see what happens though.

Beachnutt

(7,290 posts)
36. I did briefly, I'm watching om court tv
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:38 PM
Nov 2021

he went across in front of the camera after stepping down and no tears no snot no nothing , straight face

SergeStorms

(19,187 posts)
33. Did you see any real tears?
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:32 PM
Nov 2021

I didn't. I'm watching with the sound off, because I have an aversion to being lied to in such a cavalier fashion.

nolabear

(41,938 posts)
29. He's having a panic attack.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 12:27 PM
Nov 2021

I don’t think it’s fake. He has good reason to. He killed three people. He was in a state of mind where he seems to have been delusional (not as in insanity defense, in the way that can let you do such a thing) and it might be occurring to him he’s not a hero and he straight up killed people. And should be punished.

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