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The Rittenhouse Judge is out of control (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2021 OP
Good grief he is nuts! redstatebluegirl Nov 2021 #1
The One Thing Jurors Always Remember, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2021 #2
That whackjob judge needs to be removed from the case immediately and impeached!! Jeezo-flip!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2021 #3
This may seem strange but what the prosecutor did was Tomconroy Nov 2021 #4
He violated the defendent's 5th Amendment rights Sympthsical Nov 2021 #5
+1 This shitshow is headed towards a possible mistrial Celerity Nov 2021 #8
That may be the best outcome for the prosecution. unblock Nov 2021 #12
No, as the mistrial will very likely be granted 'with prejudice' so no retrial, jeopardy rules apply Celerity Nov 2021 #16
I don't think prejudice would normally be granted for this unblock Nov 2021 #20
every single lawyer I am seeing comment is saying the opposite, especially after the prosecutor Celerity Nov 2021 #25
Well that's what I'm missing. If it is repeated, as you say, then I agree. unblock Nov 2021 #28
I'm just in awe of this prosecution Sympthsical Nov 2021 #21
agreed, judge's reaction was unprofessional but prosecution's action was mistrial material Amishman Nov 2021 #6
Too many people are letting their emotions sarisataka Nov 2021 #10
The one thing the prosecutor made clear to me is that Rittenhouse ... Jim__ Nov 2021 #7
The judge is clearly emotional, but it's the prosecutor who is out of line FBaggins Nov 2021 #9
Hoping for a mistrial and a do-over with a different judge? NurseJackie Nov 2021 #11
I doubt it, jeopardy is going to attach at this point Calista241 Nov 2021 #17
No, as the mistrial will very likely be granted 'with prejudice' so no retrial, jeopardy rules apply Celerity Nov 2021 #18
Desperation sarisataka Nov 2021 #14
I've known many judges in my career PCIntern Nov 2021 #15
Judge is not out of control...if one knew the history of the pretrial motions. Alexander Of Assyria Nov 2021 #13
The judge didn't even know the history of the pretrial motions Johnny2X2X Nov 2021 #27
How are is the DAs office so fn incompetent? Thomas Hurt Nov 2021 #19
either wildly gambling to make up for a weak case, or intentionally tanking Amishman Nov 2021 #22
Eh I once defended a case qazplm135 Nov 2021 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author JoanofArgh Nov 2021 #24
Is the DA losing on purpose? RockRaven Nov 2021 #26
This is what judges do. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2021 #29
Are you an attorney? Just wondering what your experience with judges has been. Ocelot II Nov 2021 #30
No; it's generally known by people who follow legal issues that judges strongly dislike it when WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2021 #31
For this thread LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2021 #32
Want to do some about the Judge in the Rittenhouse trial, file a complaint. LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2021 #33

Sympthsical

(9,126 posts)
5. He violated the defendent's 5th Amendment rights
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:00 PM
Nov 2021

Then talked down and got shitty with the judge, and dismissed the judge's pre-trial ruling.

This is crazy.

unblock

(52,345 posts)
12. That may be the best outcome for the prosecution.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:09 PM
Nov 2021

No double jeopardy, they may get another chance with a other judge.

Celerity

(43,573 posts)
16. No, as the mistrial will very likely be granted 'with prejudice' so no retrial, jeopardy rules apply
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:17 PM
Nov 2021

unblock

(52,345 posts)
20. I don't think prejudice would normally be granted for this
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:28 PM
Nov 2021

If there's sustained and repeated prosecutorial misconduct, sure, but unless I'm missing something this seems more like a one-off.

Celerity

(43,573 posts)
25. every single lawyer I am seeing comment is saying the opposite, especially after the prosecutor
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:40 PM
Nov 2021

went after the judge and told him to stop interrupting him, plus he has now 3 times violated pre trial rulings and has tried to introduce character evidence that is banned under Federal Rule of Evidence Number 404, as well as trying to slip in inferences that violate the little asshole's 5th Amendment rights against self-incrimination

Sympthsical

(9,126 posts)
21. I'm just in awe of this prosecution
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:29 PM
Nov 2021

I've been following the trial closely, because I want to know the story instead of have it characterized for me.

This is just . . . what?

How the prosecutor isn't fired after this will be an absolute mystery.

Amishman

(5,559 posts)
6. agreed, judge's reaction was unprofessional but prosecution's action was mistrial material
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:00 PM
Nov 2021

Prosecutor went straight to a subject that had already been explicitly covered and ruled as off limits. You cannot do that unannounced and in front of the jury.

Judge could have declared a mistrial there.

sarisataka

(18,788 posts)
10. Too many people are letting their emotions
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:07 PM
Nov 2021

Rule rather than their intellect. In a different situation if a prosecutor brought up something that was barred 8n a pre-trial motion we would be calling for an immediate mistrial.

I think the prosecution knows they have lost and are willing to take big risks to sway the jury

FBaggins

(26,772 posts)
9. The judge is clearly emotional, but it's the prosecutor who is out of line
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:06 PM
Nov 2021

I'm baffled at what he's doing... and it isn't the first time.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
17. I doubt it, jeopardy is going to attach at this point
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:20 PM
Nov 2021

especially if it's the prosecutions actions that brought about the mistrial.

Celerity

(43,573 posts)
18. No, as the mistrial will very likely be granted 'with prejudice' so no retrial, jeopardy rules apply
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:21 PM
Nov 2021

as it is due to prosecutorial misconduct

this prosecutor is a clown (so is the judge, so you have a perfect storm of volatility)

the lead counsel for the defence is loving life atm

sarisataka

(18,788 posts)
14. Desperation
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:10 PM
Nov 2021

Despite the emotional factor, the case was weak coming in. The witness testimony ranged from unimpressive to disastrous so the prosecutor is taking chances. He is hoping to somehow get a conviction here even at the risk of it being overturned on appeal.

PCIntern

(25,595 posts)
15. I've known many judges in my career
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:11 PM
Nov 2021

And if it is the case that the prosecutor was far out of line, this reaction by the judge does not surprise me given some of the judges whom I have known during the last 40+ years. In fact, I believe that tonight if I have the time I will post an incident I had with a judge standing outside my office building. It was 0 to 120 in two seconds. I actually feared for my existence.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
13. Judge is not out of control...if one knew the history of the pretrial motions.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:10 PM
Nov 2021

-prosecutor had previously filed motion to present evidence of the accused’s previous bad conduct under the rule of evidence that permits the introduction of past conduct that may tend to prove the current conduct. It is a very narrow exception to the general prohibition against the introduction of prior bad conduct character evidence against an accused.

-judge had already heard this motion and ruled the proposed evidence was more prejudicial than probative…the prosecutor wanting to reopen the issue was the reason for the wrath.

-all done in absence of jury…the real jury…not the internet jury

-so, cool it with the judge is biased crap

Also, now that the accused, surprisingly, has taken the stand, so it may be open to the prosecution to restart the motion as soon as the accused utters a word hs the is of good character.

The verdict is far far from certain.

Johnny2X2X

(19,137 posts)
27. The judge didn't even know the history of the pretrial motions
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:43 PM
Nov 2021

He was confused as to whether it was the defense or the prosecution who filed the motion in question. It was the defense and he acted like it was the proecution.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
19. How are is the DAs office so fn incompetent?
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:22 PM
Nov 2021

Maybe doing it on purpose to get the little fascist off?

What I am seeing this morning seems there is no prosecution just court room theater for the benefit of Court tv.

Amishman

(5,559 posts)
22. either wildly gambling to make up for a weak case, or intentionally tanking
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:31 PM
Nov 2021

if they are tanking, then the question is are they doing it out of resentment towards the external pressure on them; or out of sympathy?

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
23. Eh I once defended a case
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:34 PM
Nov 2021

Where the prosecution ignored a pretrial ruling and then later commented on the accused not testifying and the judge there was pretty pissed too.

Response to LetMyPeopleVote (Original post)

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,453 posts)
31. No; it's generally known by people who follow legal issues that judges strongly dislike it when
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 03:22 PM
Nov 2021

you try introduce things they've excluded without letting them know you're going to do that.

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