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CNN is just reporting that Bannon has been indicted. (Original Post) Vinca Nov 2021 OP
Happy dance! Sanity Claws Nov 2021 #1
Personally not in much doubt and a couple of weeks for Garland and team to Alexander Of Assyria Nov 2021 #41
On MSNBC now wryter2000 Nov 2021 #2
Hopefully Meadows next Ohio Joe Nov 2021 #5
Trial and conviction and sentence and justice. Alexander Of Assyria Nov 2021 #42
Next step: Arrest warrant! Sparkly Nov 2021 #3
I was thinking they might arrest him before announcing indictments/warrants Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2021 #16
HAH! OrangeJoe Nov 2021 #40
He might already be in custody, no media tip off perhaps? Joyous day. Alexander Of Assyria Nov 2021 #43
Expected to turn himself in on Monday, per CNN. N/T Jedi Guy Nov 2021 #52
On full fugitive watch, I imagine. SergeStorms Nov 2021 #81
Most likely, yeah. Jedi Guy Nov 2021 #83
I heard somewhere that most criminals are repeat offenders ColinC Nov 2021 #4
Recidivism, thy name is Bannon unweird Nov 2021 #8
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. hlthe2b Nov 2021 #6
MSNBC Too. MineralMan Nov 2021 #7
I wonder if this news Elessar Zappa Nov 2021 #9
Alternatively BeyondGeography Nov 2021 #13
I doubt it. It's a process that takes some time. MineralMan Nov 2021 #21
Sure, MM BeyondGeography Nov 2021 #22
Well, there was going to be a grand jury, for sure. MineralMan Nov 2021 #24
Sure, and with the enormity of what's at stake, the chances that Hortensis Nov 2021 #50
It should, but I don't expect it to. MineralMan Nov 2021 #19
Nah. Disaffected Nov 2021 #20
👍 Joinfortmill Nov 2021 #33
I hope so. The constant kvetching was getting to be a bit much. Jedi Guy Nov 2021 #54
All overt the land, not just this website. Tommymac Nov 2021 #77
We always knew malaise Nov 2021 #76
Would he have been indicted by a grand jury that was impaneled by a US Attorney working for the DoJ? Botany Nov 2021 #10
Oh no! Now he may actually have to shower. You don't want to make a Carlitos Brigante Nov 2021 #11
Mark Meadows gonna be like "er...dur...er...what I had meant was...er...dur" greenjar_01 Nov 2021 #12
👍 Joinfortmill Nov 2021 #32
Meadows will appeal to SCOTUS wnylib Nov 2021 #73
About time!! Etherealoc1 Nov 2021 #14
Good news!! Devil Child Nov 2021 #15
4pm, CNN.com irisblue Nov 2021 #17
Good. moondust Nov 2021 #18
Fucking Pete Williams PCIntern Nov 2021 #39
??? moondust Nov 2021 #44
I didn't say he was lying. PCIntern Nov 2021 #48
YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! calimary Nov 2021 #23
Great news!!!! I hope they have people watching him scipan Nov 2021 #25
I take back every gripe about Garland CanonRay Nov 2021 #26
Reconsidering anyway. Have a ways to go. triron Nov 2021 #65
Great new slogan: "Making Subpoenas Great Again!" 70sEraVet Nov 2021 #27
👍 Joinfortmill Nov 2021 #31
Great news! I figured that before this could happen, we'd have heard about the grand jury... Silent3 Nov 2021 #28
Happy 💃 Joinfortmill Nov 2021 #29
Garland and his team of prosecutors . . . peggysue2 Nov 2021 #30
Has TFG issued a pardon yet? moondust Nov 2021 #34
But but the Dems are weak and Kingofalldems Nov 2021 #35
GOOD. there is very little weaseling ones way out of a Grand Jury indictment, Volaris Nov 2021 #36
Every step is a nail in tfg's coffin, preventing a future potus run. lindysalsagal Nov 2021 #37
However.... Xolodno Nov 2021 #38
Has Trump pardoned him yet? SCantiGOP Nov 2021 #45
So does this mean he's actually going to be arrested? PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2021 #46
He's going to turn himself in Monday and have a court appearance. Vinca Nov 2021 #51
What exactly do you mean by PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2021 #53
I would suspect charges might be dropped if he produces what he's supposed to produce and Vinca Nov 2021 #56
Thank you. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2021 #58
Of course he won't cooperate, he is a right wing god now. Jon King Nov 2021 #62
Good News! Ohioboy Nov 2021 #47
All the more reason to stop Trump from winning 2024. Marius25 Nov 2021 #49
Stop the bickering, gab13by13 Nov 2021 #55
Yes!!!!! piddyprints Nov 2021 #57
Let me be the first to admit that my lack of trust in Garland was unmerited Mr. Ected Nov 2021 #59
Bannon wants this, he will be rich beyond belief after a year. Jon King Nov 2021 #60
K&R UCmeNdc Nov 2021 #61
All in good time... NurseJackie Nov 2021 #63
Hahaha! nt babylonsister Nov 2021 #79
put him in the DC jail scarytomcat Nov 2021 #64
Sorry, he would go to a club Fed. Jon King Nov 2021 #66
I don't care. As long as he serves some time behind bars ecstatic Nov 2021 #82
merry Christmas " Steve'y ", ------ " next contestant" please !!! monkeyman1 Nov 2021 #67
Next contestant to be a MAGA rich hero?? Jon King Nov 2021 #69
I hope this is just the beginning of a long list of contestants??????? monkeyman1 Nov 2021 #72
Do you think the DOJ shouldn't have bothered to indict him? ShazzieB Nov 2021 #74
Step by step annnnnd... blamo! electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #68
Uggh, us Dems just do not get them even a little bit! Jon King Nov 2021 #70
You'd rather he not be indicted? Wednesdays Nov 2021 #78
This is a ridiculous argument. The Rule of Law is at stake. Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #80
True. But he was already a hero to TFG's death cult. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2021 #85
I stand corrected.... paleotn Nov 2021 #71
K&R Blue Owl Nov 2021 #75
Create your own Steve Bannon action figure Habitation Nov 2021 #84
That's Steve AFTER he's cleaned himself up. Vinca Nov 2021 #89
Merry Bannon Indictment Day Everyone!! Pepsidog Nov 2021 #86
News people can't stop smiling as they report. twodogsbarking Nov 2021 #87
If convicted of a felony Smackdown2019 Nov 2021 #88
 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
41. Personally not in much doubt and a couple of weeks for Garland and team to
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:46 PM
Nov 2021

review a massive Congressional reference report, seems about right timing.

The Congressional reference is compelling to overwhelming, beyond anything needed for the relatively low bar of an indictment.

Now comes trial, judgment…and final stroke of justice.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,034 posts)
16. I was thinking they might arrest him before announcing indictments/warrants
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 04:59 PM
Nov 2021

I was wondering if planning for taking him into custody might be delayed and complicated; by fears of armed resistance.

OrangeJoe

(337 posts)
40. HAH!
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:43 PM
Nov 2021

That punk Bannon is no more likely to offer armed resistance than any other blowhard. The ones who talk the most are the biggest cowards. Besides getting blown away by the cops is for followers, not leaders.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
81. On full fugitive watch, I imagine.
Sat Nov 13, 2021, 12:23 AM
Nov 2021

He knows enough people with private airplanes though. But how many would be willing to jeopardize their own freedom to aid and abet Mr. Dirt?

Jedi Guy

(3,246 posts)
83. Most likely, yeah.
Sat Nov 13, 2021, 02:36 AM
Nov 2021

I sure wouldn't risk my freedom or livelihood for him. You know he wouldn't return the favor. Just like Trump, zero sense of morals or decency.

BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
13. Alternatively
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 04:57 PM
Nov 2021

I wonder if the relentless pressure (which was hardly confined to this site) has something to do with this news.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
21. I doubt it. It's a process that takes some time.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:11 PM
Nov 2021

People apparently think the cops come and perp walk people. This is really an administrative sort of crime, not a violent crime. Grand Jury first, for an indictment, then an appearance date will be set for a plea. That's how this works.

BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
22. Sure, MM
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:14 PM
Nov 2021

Meantime, Bannon’s contempt vote was less than a month ago and many well-informed people here said the indictment could take up to a year. I’ll take that as a sign that public pressure matters.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
24. Well, there was going to be a grand jury, for sure.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:18 PM
Nov 2021

That takes time for a jury to be impaneled and hear evidence. The timing seems about right for that process.

Many people were speculating wildly about this, and some didn't even take the process into consideration.

Some people, however, said that patience would be needed. Those people were correct. They understood the process involved.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
50. Sure, and with the enormity of what's at stake, the chances that
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:00 PM
Nov 2021

the DoJ would be muscled by hostile elements into taking any steps before they're ready are not good.

Many here don't seem to realize that their fears and tendencies to distrust are being very actively stirred up by and to benefit the RW traitors. Not to force the DoJ to go after themselves , but to breed distrust and discontent against Democrats and ultimately to discourage voting.

The same techniques that worked so dreadfully well on the right.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
19. It should, but I don't expect it to.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:09 PM
Nov 2021

People don't understand the process, apparently. Indictment by a grand jury comes before charges are filed. They probably won't arrest Bannon, either, since it is not a violent crime. He'll have to appear to plead before a federal magistrate and things will go from there.

Jedi Guy

(3,246 posts)
54. I hope so. The constant kvetching was getting to be a bit much.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:04 PM
Nov 2021

Garland has been in office for what, 8 months now? People don't seem to understand how long judicial processes take, thanks to legal TV shows.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
77. All overt the land, not just this website.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 09:08 PM
Nov 2021

Common folk at my neighborhood bar, supermarket, hair saloon and McDonald's have been asking the same damn thing...I DO believe public pressure IS effective when applied in a respectful, reality based way.

MSNBC and CNN have also been putting the pressure on - the latter goes over the top at times to be sure.

Mainstream twitterites have been pressuring too. Anyone who belittles this internet pressure is years behind the times.

Democratic office holders need to have their feet warmed by the fire at times too. Not in a bad way, always reality based, but at times they need to be held accountable just as much as the Rethugs do. Hell, the moderate/conservative members here constantly rag AOC and the Squad, and I (for one) constantly rag Manchin and Sinema. Nothing at all wrong with that as long as things are kept respectful and based on Reality.

I am proud I have been intelligently pressuring the AG. And I will continue to do so until I feel Justice has been served.



Botany

(70,567 posts)
10. Would he have been indicted by a grand jury that was impaneled by a US Attorney working for the DoJ?
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 04:56 PM
Nov 2021

If so that is bad news all of those 1/6/21 shits.

"Lock em up."

Carlitos Brigante

(26,502 posts)
11. Oh no! Now he may actually have to shower. You don't want to make a
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 04:57 PM
Nov 2021

bad impression on your first day in......

wnylib

(21,586 posts)
73. Meadows will appeal to SCOTUS
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 07:20 PM
Nov 2021

because he was on TFG's staff at the time of the insurrection and hopes that executive privilege will protect him.

Bannnon's claim of executive privilege is empty because he was not on TFG's staff at the time. I expect, though, that Bannon will try to claim that he was an "advisor" and should be covered by executive privilege. So he might also appeal to SCOTUS.

This is just the beginning. But it does demonstrate that Garland WAS doing something while several DU posters here claimed to know that he wasn't. The general public is not always privy to what goes on in investigations and preparation for prosecution.

irisblue

(33,020 posts)
17. 4pm, CNN.com
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:02 PM
Nov 2021

(CNN)A federal grand jury has returned an indictment against former Trump adviser Steve Bannon for contempt of Congress, the Justice Department announced Friday.

moondust

(20,002 posts)
18. Good.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:06 PM
Nov 2021

Although Pete Williams on MSNBC says the record on convictions for Contempt of Congress is not so good. Plus even if he is convicted on these two counts of Contempt of Congress he will still not have to testify.

moondust

(20,002 posts)
44. ???
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:50 PM
Nov 2021

He may have a bias but I don't know that he would have the latitude to fudge the facts on something like this.

PCIntern

(25,576 posts)
48. I didn't say he was lying.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:56 PM
Nov 2021

He always manages to be the doomsayer with Dems and cheerleader for Rethugs. It’s subtle but present.

calimary

(81,441 posts)
23. YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:15 PM
Nov 2021

Did I say “YES!”?

Answer! YYYEEEEEEEEEESSSSS!!!!!!

scipan

(2,356 posts)
25. Great news!!!! I hope they have people watching him
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:19 PM
Nov 2021

so he doesn’t try to flee the country or anything.

Thank you Merrick Garland you finally came through.

Silent3

(15,259 posts)
28. Great news! I figured that before this could happen, we'd have heard about the grand jury...
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:21 PM
Nov 2021

...being convened first. I know that grand jury proceedings themselves are kept private, but I didn't know the grand jury could act before we even knew it existed like this.

A most pleasant surprise!

peggysue2

(10,839 posts)
30. Garland and his team of prosecutors . . .
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:25 PM
Nov 2021

Must feel confident that they've got this sucker, that they've crossed all the t's and dotted all the i's.

This will also be a clear and loud signal to Meadows and the rest:

We. Are. Not. F*cking. Around.

Hallelujah!

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
36. GOOD. there is very little weaseling ones way out of a Grand Jury indictment,
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:34 PM
Nov 2021

Especially at the federal level.
Bannon will now face a definitive date (from the federal judicary, mind you) to show up and answer questions (ON CAMERA, if the 1/6 panel is serious...hint, he wont lol) OR he can be arrested for ignoring said Grand Jury instructions.

I've been reluctant to bash Garland, on the premise that he knows how this shit NEEDS to work, in order to be EFFECTIVE.

While I wait for a final outcome, I'll admit I'll be willing to eat a lot of crow if I'm wrong.

Xolodno

(6,398 posts)
38. However....
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:37 PM
Nov 2021

...because its an administrative type of crime, the most he could get is a year and fined. Fairly sure he won't get the max.

And that still does not compel him to testify in Congress.

I guess they could subpoena him again and he might show up. But plea the 5th all the way through.

So yes, this is satisfying, but he's not going to be in jail for 20 to life. Unless of course, he gets indicted on other crimes.

SCantiGOP

(13,873 posts)
45. Has Trump pardoned him yet?
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:51 PM
Nov 2021

All he needs to do is send an email and have someone print it out on a paper that says that he used to be President.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,894 posts)
46. So does this mean he's actually going to be arrested?
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:55 PM
Nov 2021

Go to jail? Brought to trial?

Count me as one of the cynics here.

Vinca

(50,302 posts)
51. He's going to turn himself in Monday and have a court appearance.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:01 PM
Nov 2021

Then he'll go to trial unless he decides to be responsible for a change.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,894 posts)
53. What exactly do you mean by
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:03 PM
Nov 2021
Then he'll go to trial unless he decides to be responsible for a change.? He can weasel out of a trial, and so essentially face no consequences for his actions? If that's the case, then my continued cynicism seems justified.

Vinca

(50,302 posts)
56. I would suspect charges might be dropped if he produces what he's supposed to produce and
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:07 PM
Nov 2021

appear and answer questions as he is supposed to do. He probably won't though.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
62. Of course he won't cooperate, he is a right wing god now.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:32 PM
Nov 2021

Why would he cooperate? Some time in a minimum security prison in exchange for coming out and making millions from MAGA donors, TV shows, book deals. He would be dumb to cooperate in the grand scheme of MAGA world.

gab13by13

(21,385 posts)
55. Stop the bickering,
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:06 PM
Nov 2021

This is a happy day, our team, (justice) hit a home run. We are only in the 4th inning but we have momentum.

Bannon will turn himself in Monday, put a freaking ankle bracelet on him, or an orange suit.

One good thing about taking this long, according to experts, Garland has all of the i's dotted and the t's crossed, he will claim that DOJ is ready for the trial, now. Let's do this and move on to Clark and Meadows.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
59. Let me be the first to admit that my lack of trust in Garland was unmerited
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:28 PM
Nov 2021

If this is indeed the case.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
60. Bannon wants this, he will be rich beyond belief after a year.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:29 PM
Nov 2021

He has no problem with this. He can only go to jail for up to a year, will likely be less than that. He is an absolute right wing hero now. He keeps his mouth shut, serves time in a minimum security prison, comes out to riches, book deals, conventions, TV shows.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
66. Sorry, he would go to a club Fed.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:38 PM
Nov 2021

He will go to a minimum security Fed prison, more like a camp. He has to be treated like a non violent offender.

We wish this was something but Bannon will gladly serve his time so he becomes a MAGA hero. He will make millions upon his release and he knows it.

ecstatic

(32,729 posts)
82. I don't care. As long as he serves some time behind bars
Sat Nov 13, 2021, 02:01 AM
Nov 2021

And the rest of the conspirators need to be locked up too. I don't care how fancy the facility is. Just lock them all up.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
69. Next contestant to be a MAGA rich hero??
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:46 PM
Nov 2021

How do folks not get this? Already millions have been donated by MAGAs foe the legal defense. None of these people will cooperate. They will serve any time they get and then do appearances and speeches and work at Trump properties, etc.

The commission will not get one single thing out of any of them. Not cooperating and doing some jail time will make them MAGA gods and they will be rich as a result.

These people do not live in our world.

ShazzieB

(16,497 posts)
74. Do you think the DOJ shouldn't have bothered to indict him?
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 07:54 PM
Nov 2021

I hope not, but it sure sounds like that's what you're implying.

Personally, I am happy he has been indicted. If nothing else, it'll sense a message to all the others who are thinking of ignoring the congressional subpoenas. I doubt that all of them will be as blasé about the prospect of a jail sentence as Bannon or as interested in being RW celebrities.

Not to indict Bannon, otoh, would send a message that thd subpoenas are meaningless and nobody needs to pay any attention to them. That would be a very bad message, which is why this is an extremely important development, regardless of how Bannon responds.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
70. Uggh, us Dems just do not get them even a little bit!
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:48 PM
Nov 2021

I give up. How do you folks not see this is exactly what they want? Bannon is a right wing MAGA god right now. He already has raked in tons of cash for his legal defense. He will not cooperate and serve his time. He will then do appearances and speeches and be a very wealthy man.

This is EXACTLY what he wants. He could care less if he goes to a Fed camp for a while. It just makes him a bigger hero to these MAGAs.

Scrivener7

(50,993 posts)
80. This is a ridiculous argument. The Rule of Law is at stake.
Sat Nov 13, 2021, 12:03 AM
Nov 2021

This is the first positive step to restoring it after it has been plundered without ramifications for 5 years.

There's a long way to go, but I am joyful about the crow pie I am eating.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
85. True. But he was already a hero to TFG's death cult.
Sat Nov 13, 2021, 07:14 AM
Nov 2021

Already bilking them for bushels of ca$h. But he can't be allowed to get away with his ludicrous "executive privelege" claim.

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