Lawyers Caved to TFG Demands and Encouraged Pence to Overturn Election in Newly Reported Memos

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

Lawyers for former President Donald Trump wrote multiple memos advising ways to overturn the 2020 election. Two previously unreported memos, uncovered by ABC News’ Jonathan Karl, show how heavily the administration pressured then-Vice President Mike Pence to reject Biden’s victory.

Reported for the first time in Karl’s upcoming book, Betrayal, covering the final days of the Trump administration, one memo was authored by Trump campaign lawyer Jenna Ellis. It outlined a plan for Pence to overturn the election: On Jan. 6, Pence would reject the electoral votes from the six states Trump claimed (falsely) that he won. Then Pence would tell the states they had until “7pm eastern standard time on January 15th” to submit a new set of votes, but if they didn’t submit them in time, then “no electoral votes can be opened and counted from that state.”

That essentially would put Trump and Biden in a tie situation, in which case, the decision would go to Congress. “Congress shall vote by state delegation,” Ellis wrote. The delegation vote would end with a Trump victory, Ellis believed, because the GOP had control over 26 state delegations.

A separate memo reported in the book and authored by Trump advisor John McEntee used a historically inaccurate argument to push Pence to use his power as vice president to keep Trump in power. The memo, titled “Jefferson used his position as VP to win,” was sent to Pence’s chief of staff, Marc Short.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/lawyers-caved-trump-demands-encouraged-163605655.html

Disbar their asses.

[malaise]

1. Disbar their asses

There!

[patphil]

7. One more time!

Disbar their asses!

[RKP5637]

2. Incredible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kick them out of the law profession!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t

[Cracklin Charlie]

3. Is Jenna the one they got from traffic court somewhere?

These folks are delusional.

[Skittles]

4. these people do not believe in America

anyone still supporting Donald Fucking Trump DOES NOT BELIEVE IN AMERICA

[Rebl2]

8. Absolutely agree!

They no longer believe in our constitution or democracy.

[Skittles]

14. I'll take an illegal immigrant any day as a neigbor

over one of these Trump humping, flag waving, bible thumping yahoos- because one of them believes in America and the other one DOES NOT

[wnylib]

16. Did they ever believe in either?

[Grasswire2]

5. McEntee was just the dude who carried Trump's bags around.

He is a nobody. Fired originally for his gambling debts. Elevated by Trump to personnel manager. And now he's elevated to fake attorney?

Nothing to disbar in his case. Just a capo for a crooked mob boss.

[TlalocW]

6. Would that have even worked?

I thought the voting by delegation was a hail mary desperation thing?

TlalocW

[wnylib]

19. Voting by delegation is in

the constitution, but ONLY if there is a genuine tie.

It would not have worked legally because the states had already certified the winner in their state. In addition, the VP has NO authority to overturn a state's already certified winner. All the VP can do on the date when certified EC votes are submitted to Congress is count them, as they are. Members of the House can formally object to a state's certified slate of electoral votes, but only if there is a Senator to back the objection. If that happens, then both chambers of Congress must vote on the outcome in order to prevent an attempted takeover like the Trump loyalists tried to pull.

So it could not have been done legally. If Pence had tried to do what Trump wanted from him, there would have been a huge outcry from Congress and citizen demonstrations in the streets across the country. That would have been Trump's excuse to declare national emergency and martial law, with whatever militia thugs and police and military traitors that he could muster.

That would have meant accept his dictatorship or break out into civil war.

[TlalocW]

22. There's a former insurance fraudster now minister

Shane Vaughn that I saw a lot of on YouTube during the election talking about all the different ways Trump was going to win. He likes to think that he's a Constitutional scholar. After all of his pre-January 6th ways failed, he claimed that if a republican senator and representative brought up an objection to the election (no matter what the vote count was), the Senate would vote on that objection by member, but the house would vote by delegation, and both ways favored the republicans. From what I read when I looked it up, for just plain objections, both the Senate and House would vote by member so the Senate would still favor republicans, but the House was under democrat control.

TlalocW

[wnylib]

23. Vaughn was full of BS.

It only goes to a delegation vote in the House if there is a genuine Electoral College tie. That's what Trump advisors and lawyers were trying to create with their objections in several states - a nullification of enough states to create a tie and send the election to the House for delegation votes.

But their means of nullifying several states were weak because each objection by the required House Representative and at least one Senator has to pass in both chambers on an individual, not delegation vote. As you said, it would never pass in the House. Even in the Senate there might not have been enough votes.

That's where Pence was supposed to come in. They wanted him to take on powers and authority not given to him in the Constitution. They wanted him to usurp the House and Senate votes on the objections and declare that there were sufficient objections to toss out 6 or 7 states and then send the election to the House as a tie for the House delegation votes to choose Trump as the winner.

Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, and all other Dems in Congress, plus some Republicans would never have accepted such chicanery. Not to mention governors and state legislators across the country. It would have created pandemonium, possibly civil war, depending on how violent and forceful the Trump contingent got.

[TlalocW]

24. Oh, that's something I never considered

The throwing out of states to get to a tie. I wonder if Vaughn was thinking that. I don't think he was although one of his previous ways Trump was still going to win was that there were, in fact, alternate delegates. Of course there wasn't. Just a bunch of Trumpists cosplaying with no authority from their states. Anyway, I guess he was just misreading how the non-tie objection voting went. I corrected him a few times on a live chat. I quickly got banned so being the mature person I was, I created a YouTube profile called JuiceNewtonFan and rejoined and derailed the conversation with how much I love Juice Newton, tried to lead a sing-a-long of, "Queen of Hearts," etc. Got banned again and then rejoined as IHateJuiceNewton, saying I was looking for JNFan. He finally banned my IP or something. It was my little contribution to Constitutional Scholarship.

TlalocW

[wnylib]

25. LOL. Some creative trolling.

I doubt that Vaughn was confused about the two types of votes. If he was, he would have looked it up to clarify it for homself. Instead, he banned you for correcting him.

[bucolic_frolic]

9. Responsibility will be vivisected into 1000 parts & where all are equally blameless

we have an insurrection without a leader where no one was responsible.

[TheRickles]

10. Why haven't more/any of these guys been disbarred by their state bar associations?

Is it that hard to do?

[EleanorR]

11. They didn't cave to anything, they willing participated in an insurrection

But I guess they're trying the old, 'I was just following orders' defense.

[70sEraVet]

12. I had the same thought.

[Mr. Ected]

13. If they don't lose their licenses...and their freedom

There will be countless others, less inept, who will take their places.

We can't afford complacency.

[DallasNE]

15. That Attempt Would Have Failed

Because it would have gone straight to the Supreme Court where it is highly unlikely that they would have gone along with this scheme.

[Skittles]

17. alas, the SC should never have gone along with Bush v Gore

not sure I would put anything past the rightwing hacks currently on the Supreme Court

the people who would not have gone along with this scheme are We the People who voted against that fascist bastard Trump

[wnylib]

21. Remember the hired thugs pretending to be

angry citizens who disrupted the vote counting in 2000?

Threats of violence to put a Republican in the WH existed in the Republican party long before Trump. SOP for Republican traitors.

[Mad_Machine76]

18. The fact that they suggested/tried

is bad enough JMHO. Anybody want to wager how up in arms Republicans would be if, hypothetically, Trump were a Democrat trying to stay in power?

[wnylib]

20. I think that there would have been

a far different scenario if Pence had done as he was pressured to do. There would have been immediate, strenuous objections in Congress and citizen demonstrations across the country. Trump would have used that as an excuse to declare martial law. The military brass would not have coopersted with Trump, but his militia thugs and the RW traitors in the police and military would have backed him.

As far as I can see, the purpose of the 1/6 rally and attack on the Capitol was to threaten and intimidate Pence into "following orders." If Pence had given in, the militias in the crowd were ready, with stored weapons and bombs, to back up a declaration from Trump of a national emergency and martial law by taking members of Congress and their staff as hostages.

The SC would have been an afterthought and pressured into a favorable ruling for Trump's coup. If they were brave enough to refuse, they would have been declared part of the problem and ignored, removed and replaced, or imprisoned.

[Takket]

26. The use of the term "caved" is a disgrace.

Does the person who wrote that bullshit headline think drumpf the idiot came up with this plan and just demanded they sign the memo? No he demanded they help him with the coup and they gleefully participated. Disbar their asses!!!