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dsc

(53,441 posts)
Mon Nov 15, 2021, 07:31 PM Nov 2021

So under COVID I was using, in my mind, vaccination rate as a proxy for relaxing my behavior

but it is dawning on me that the vaccination rate in my county is pretty stuck at around 50%. That wasn't what I was hoping. I got my shots (Feb and March) and my booster (Oct). I have been strategic in my outings. I avoid buffets, crowded movies, and the like. So I watched The French Dispatch for example but won't watch the latest Bond film or the Eternals. But, I am honestly getting tired of this. While I don't think anyone should go out of their way to expose themselves, I am getting tired of being the only person who seems to care about this at all. I had fixed in my mind that 70% vaccinated would mean I could do crowds etc. Seeing that is unlikely to ever materialize, I am realizing that I might have to mask, open up to crowds a bit more, and be strategic when I can. I don't want to give COVID to others, but I also am frankly getting tired of being the only adult in the room.

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So under COVID I was using, in my mind, vaccination rate as a proxy for relaxing my behavior (Original Post) dsc Nov 2021 OP
I hear you Poiuyt Nov 2021 #1
I still wear my mask, in hi human contact areas (food markets, Wal-Mart). But I don't wear it OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2021 #2
Roger that. Back in July I had my hip rehabbed well enough to walk to the bar. That was about the brewens Nov 2021 #3
I am boosted now Meowmee Nov 2021 #4
Not sure what medical person it was but she said Phoenix61 Nov 2021 #5
I'm not eating turkey with extended family Lars39 Nov 2021 #6
neither are we yellowdogintexas Nov 2021 #9
My husband and I are the holdouts... Lars39 Nov 2021 #11
Now we are seeing the numbers skyrocket once again. MOMFUDSKI Nov 2021 #7
Your poor son, does everything right, babylonsister Nov 2021 #22
I hear ya. Then I found out the 70% target was based on the Beta variant, not Delta. Pobeka Nov 2021 #8
Well the cows will come back home and give birth to aliens before my county gets to 90 dsc Nov 2021 #14
Woah, cows giving birth to aliens gives me hope! Pobeka Nov 2021 #20
You are correct - as to herd immunity. Ms. Toad Nov 2021 #19
I wear mask everywhere. I am also fed up with being the only adult in the room yellowdogintexas Nov 2021 #10
keep masking! got my booster last week and had such a reaction! Felt like I got covid. demigoddess Nov 2021 #12
I had a strong reaction to the 2nd Moderna and moonscape Nov 2021 #23
I soooooo feel you. I'm tired of it as well. pnwest Nov 2021 #13
Vaccination rate doesn't really concern me madville Nov 2021 #15
yup Skittles Nov 2021 #16
As long as you're masked and vaccinated, you are relatively safe going about your business Ms. Toad Nov 2021 #17
We went to the movies a week or so ago BannonsLiver Nov 2021 #18
So, I've been opening up here in NYC Dorian Gray Nov 2021 #21

Poiuyt

(18,272 posts)
1. I hear you
Mon Nov 15, 2021, 07:35 PM
Nov 2021

My wife and I have not been to a restaurant since the pandemic started. We will socialize indoors with friends who we know are vaccinated, but avoid friends who aren't and wear masks inside grocery stores, etc. It seems like we're the only ones wearing masks.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,550 posts)
2. I still wear my mask, in hi human contact areas (food markets, Wal-Mart). But I don't wear it
Mon Nov 15, 2021, 07:37 PM
Nov 2021

in places where there is low traffic. Getting my booster, next month.

On edit - in my rural community, about 1/2 mask at the grocery store. No one seems to be outraged, one way or another.

 

brewens

(15,359 posts)
3. Roger that. Back in July I had my hip rehabbed well enough to walk to the bar. That was about the
Mon Nov 15, 2021, 07:44 PM
Nov 2021

lowest infection and deaths we've had and I was fully vaccinated. I thought I'd make that an every Friday thing.

My neighbor friend is the bar manager and she knows I'm single and looking. Getting out there and some other local events should have had me meeting someone pretty easily. That lasted a few weeks before the delta variant took off and I shut down again.

I started seeing a therapist for unrelated reasons, I thought. Being isolated is more of a problem than I thought now that I'm keeping track of what's going on for her. I'm looking forward to going in again this week. It's helping.

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
4. I am boosted now
Mon Nov 15, 2021, 07:53 PM
Nov 2021

Never stopped masking (Kn95) anywhere and avoid any big crowd situations. I also will not meet in smaller groups with any unvaxed people even masked.

Phoenix61

(18,887 posts)
5. Not sure what medical person it was but she said
Mon Nov 15, 2021, 07:54 PM
Nov 2021

The vaxed need to decrease what they think their risk level is and the unvaxed need to increase what they think their risk level is. I’m done covering their sorry asses.

Lars39

(26,553 posts)
6. I'm not eating turkey with extended family
Mon Nov 15, 2021, 07:55 PM
Nov 2021

Don’t know or trust that they’re vaxxed or that they wear a mask. I do know they think trump is going to be reinstated, so that’s all I really need to know.

yellowdogintexas

(23,752 posts)
9. neither are we
Mon Nov 15, 2021, 08:12 PM
Nov 2021

Although one of my husband's brothers and his entire family are vaxxed. We have not had a big family event for 2 years.

I did go to a baby shower - outdoors, everybody vaxxed. The shower was for the aforementioned brother's stepdaughter.

Lars39

(26,553 posts)
11. My husband and I are the holdouts...
Mon Nov 15, 2021, 08:21 PM
Nov 2021

and his elderly parents are making comments about it.

 

MOMFUDSKI

(7,080 posts)
7. Now we are seeing the numbers skyrocket once again.
Mon Nov 15, 2021, 07:58 PM
Nov 2021

I never stopped wearing a mask when in a store, crowds, etc. Got my 3rd Pfizer Sept 28. My twice-vaxxed w/Moderna son now has covid up in Milwaukee. He is pretty sick and lost taste/smell. This is a scary situation and just don't know how long this will go on. I plan to go back to hole up mode as in the beginning. I agree with you about being the only adult in the room when I see all the party hardy folks just living their lives. Way too many anti-vaxxers for my taste. Good luck to all of us. By the way, my paternal grandmother DIED in the 1918 Spanish Flu Pandemic so I have a deep respect for mother nature.

babylonsister

(172,802 posts)
22. Your poor son, does everything right,
Mon Nov 15, 2021, 09:39 PM
Nov 2021

still gets sick. I hope he feels better soon.

We steer clear of people as much as possible. I'm in Florida and everyone seems way too cavalier.

Pobeka

(5,009 posts)
8. I hear ya. Then I found out the 70% target was based on the Beta variant, not Delta.
Mon Nov 15, 2021, 07:59 PM
Nov 2021

I think we need more like 90% vaccination rate to beat Delta. (Just a guess, but I did spend 31 years using fancy math every day so I think I'm in the ballpark). I really should see if any epidemiologists have put out a refined number.

We live in a country with spoiled children inhabiting the bodies of too many adults.

You can, at least, choose who you want to be around. We're only hanging out with vaxxed adults for social/family gatherings.

I wish us all good luck in finding times to be with adults.

On Edit: Lucky guess on my part, here's an article.

https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-herd-immunity-90-percent-2021-8?op=1

But I think it's worse than that, because people tend to cluster, not mix uniformly. So the vaccination rate would have to be higher to compensate...

dsc

(53,441 posts)
14. Well the cows will come back home and give birth to aliens before my county gets to 90
Mon Nov 15, 2021, 08:53 PM
Nov 2021

and yes, that is even more depressing.

Pobeka

(5,009 posts)
20. Woah, cows giving birth to aliens gives me hope!
Mon Nov 15, 2021, 09:26 PM
Nov 2021

Thanks for that. You lightened my day

Ms. Toad

(38,810 posts)
19. You are correct - as to herd immunity.
Mon Nov 15, 2021, 09:07 PM
Nov 2021

The percent needed is based on R0, which is dramatically higher for delta than it was for the original variant(s).

70% is still my own personal safety level (but that is too low - even for the original COVID - I believe it was over 80%).

yellowdogintexas

(23,752 posts)
10. I wear mask everywhere. I am also fed up with being the only adult in the room
Mon Nov 15, 2021, 08:14 PM
Nov 2021

I do take some consolation that it is highly unlikely I will get the flu.

demigoddess

(6,675 posts)
12. keep masking! got my booster last week and had such a reaction! Felt like I got covid.
Mon Nov 15, 2021, 08:22 PM
Nov 2021

never had a reaction to a vaccine and I have had plenty(military brat). I had fever and chills for over 24 hours, dizziness, nausea, headache. Still having some symptoms almost a week later. Hope it goes away soon. I feel terrible. ps. I always wore a mask!

moonscape

(5,796 posts)
23. I had a strong reaction to the 2nd Moderna and
Mon Nov 15, 2021, 09:58 PM
Nov 2021

was thrilled. Fever was 102, could barely stay awake for nearly a week, body aches, etc and the whole time I was chanting ‘I’m building antibodies … I’m building antibodies …’

pnwest

(3,478 posts)
13. I soooooo feel you. I'm tired of it as well.
Mon Nov 15, 2021, 08:47 PM
Nov 2021

I think I’ve decided that once I have my booster in Dec, I’m going to just live my life as tho COVID were the flu. Get my annual shots, and stop wearing this mask unless it’s required somewhere. Life HAS to return to some kind of normal, where we’re not consumed with COVID worrying every day. I need to see some live music again, damnit!! I need to go to a bar and drink irresponsibly with my crew again!

madville

(7,858 posts)
15. Vaccination rate doesn't really concern me
Mon Nov 15, 2021, 08:55 PM
Nov 2021

I’m vaccinated and boosted, I go everywhere I want to and don’t worry about it anymore. If someone else is unvaccinated it’s really not my problem. All the vaccinated people at work that have had breakthrough infections since August had very mild cases, some only knew they were infected because of the tests we take, had zero symptoms.

Ms. Toad

(38,810 posts)
17. As long as you're masked and vaccinated, you are relatively safe going about your business
Mon Nov 15, 2021, 09:03 PM
Nov 2021

I've been teaching in person since August 2020 to as many as 100 students at a time. I've been exposed, but have not contracted COVID (although my vaccinated co-worker did - likely here, but perhaps on a shopping trip).

Largely, it just means eating ahead of or or after an event, rather than during - since eating requires you to remove your mask.

I use 70% vaccinate rate +

BannonsLiver

(20,845 posts)
18. We went to the movies a week or so ago
Mon Nov 15, 2021, 09:03 PM
Nov 2021

There were 6 people in a theater that seats 250 and in the giant reclining chairs. We were nowhere near anyone else and wore masks. You just have to be strategic and plan ahead. Those things can generally be done safely with the right equipment and planning. That being said, I'm still avoiding crowded indoor spaces particularly bars and restaurants.

Anyway, live a little. That's my advice. Within reason. Even the biggest COVID scold here let it slip they are taking a trip to Mexico in the near future and Mexico has zero barrier to entry for American tourists and from what I understand, virtually no protocols at many resorts. I was frankly stunned they were planning a trip there, given all the rhetoric about how unsafe it is to do simple things like go to the grocery store. So, take what you read here with a grain a salt, no matter what.

We also have traveled to Saint Lucia, Hawaii and Oregon this year with no problems. The testing requirements are reasonable and its easy to avoid crowds with proper planning. There's going to be some element of risk in anything you do, but preparation and attention to detail can be empowering.

Dorian Gray

(13,850 posts)
21. So, I've been opening up here in NYC
Mon Nov 15, 2021, 09:31 PM
Nov 2021

but restaurants require vaccine proof. I went to a comedy show at Carnegie Hall the other night, and you had to show vaccine proof. I took my daughter to see Hamilton for her birthday. We had to show proof of vaccine (for me) and a negative covid test for her. I've been to two movies. (Vaccine requirement for adults. Kids don't need them. But need to keep mask on.)

And with the exception of the restaurants, you have to keep your mask on in all the venues. Same with church, and I'm going to services.

So I think for the most part, places are being more thoughtful about mitigation/air flow/vaccine requirement/masking.... as long as those are being addressed, I'll do most things.

If I were in another area of the country, maybe I'd feel differently.

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