Tue Nov 16, 2021, 09:55 PM
mzmolly (50,240 posts)
Kyle Rittenhouse Prosecution 'Scored Major Points' in Their Closing Arguments - NEWSWEEKThe prosecution strengthened their case to get a conviction against Kyle Rittenhouse following their convincing closing arguments in the trial, a legal expert has said.
... In his closing argument, lead prosecutor Thomas Binger accused Rittenhouse of being a "chaos tourist" who traveled to Kenosha from his hometown of Antioch, Illinois, in order to initiate violence, noting how he was the only person to shoot anyone during the protests. "You cannot claim self-defense against a danger you create. If you're the one threatening others, you lose the right to claim self-defense." Binger told the jury. "The prosecution scored major points in closing arguments by emphasizing that each of the four shots Rittenhouse fired to kill Joseph Rosenbaum had to be in self-defense," DeSimone said. "Once Rittenhouse's shot fractured Rosenbaum's pelvis, there was no threat to Rittenhouse at all. The defense's excuse that the bullets were fired rapidly is no excuse and Rittenhouse's lawyer really lost an opportunity by barely mentioning 'reasonable doubt.' ... Binger also suggested that after Rittenhouse repeatedly shot the unarmed Rosenbaum, others who were in Kenosha that night had the right to defend themselves from what they reasonably thought was an active shooter. More at: NEWSWEEK
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mzmolly | Nov 2021 | OP |
LetMyPeopleVote | Nov 2021 | #1 | |
mzmolly | Nov 2021 | #4 | |
dchill | Nov 2021 | #2 | |
LiberalFighter | Nov 2021 | #3 | |
mcar | Nov 2021 | #5 | |
Hoyt | Nov 2021 | #6 | |
Chin music | Nov 2021 | #7 | |
Paladin | Nov 2021 | #15 | |
Chin music | Nov 2021 | #16 | |
GoodRaisin | Nov 2021 | #8 | |
Cha | Nov 2021 | #9 | |
mzmolly | Nov 2021 | #14 | |
Cha | Nov 2021 | #18 | |
Walleye | Nov 2021 | #10 | |
xmas74 | Nov 2021 | #11 | |
Blue Owl | Nov 2021 | #12 | |
UTUSN | Nov 2021 | #13 | |
BusterMove | Nov 2021 | #17 | |
crickets | Nov 2021 | #19 | |
Algernon Moncrieff | Nov 2021 | #20 |
Response to mzmolly (Original post)
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 09:56 PM
LetMyPeopleVote (126,803 posts)
1. It sounds like the Prosecution had a good closing
Link to tweet Speaking with CNN's John Berman on Tuesday morning, two legal experts expressed surprise at the strong closing argument presented by the prosecutor in the Kyle Rittenhouse case and said the jury may not let the young man who pleaded self-defense after killing two BLM protesters off the hook.
With the jury to be winnowed down from 18 to 12 via a lottery on Tuesday, Brooklyn Law School Assistant Professor Alexis Hoag told the "New Day" host: "The prosecution really delivered." "I think they used the weekend well to bring their narrative together," Hoag continued. "What they did was deliver a compelling story arc, that's what jurors want to hear. They want the evidence, they want the witnesses to make some sort of sense." "Their overarching narrative was you had this person coming in from outside, not defending their own property, not defending their own family, nor their home, bringing a gun, looking for a fight," she continued. "Then they peppered it with the highlights of evidence jurors saw, reinforcing repeatedly their storyline and the story arc. We saw the drone footage. We saw it when Rittenhouse shot, initially, Mr. Rosenbaum. He was on the ground, he wasn't lunging or attacking. Of course, that was the defense's characterization, so the prosecution actually really delivered." |
Response to LetMyPeopleVote (Reply #1)
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 10:20 PM
mzmolly (50,240 posts)
4. I feel they did.
Thanks for sharing!
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Response to mzmolly (Original post)
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 09:57 PM
dchill (34,959 posts)
2. Those ARE major points!
Response to mzmolly (Original post)
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 09:59 PM
LiberalFighter (45,598 posts)
3. What I did see he did well.
Response to mzmolly (Original post)
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 10:35 PM
mcar (40,598 posts)
5. I'm not a lawyer but I thought they were effective
Response to mzmolly (Original post)
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 10:59 PM
Hoyt (54,770 posts)
6. Would love a conviction. Plus, gun-humping toters will have to worry about "initiating violence."
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Response to Chin music (Reply #7)
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 03:00 PM
Paladin (26,592 posts)
15. That term needs to be a reliable part of our vocabulary.
It will find accurate usage in any number of future incidents, unfortunately.
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Response to Paladin (Reply #15)
Chin music This message was self-deleted by its author.
Response to mzmolly (Original post)
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 01:00 AM
GoodRaisin (7,983 posts)
8. Convinced me, FWIW.
He’s a fucking murderer.
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Response to mzmolly (Original post)
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 01:22 AM
Walleye (22,839 posts)
10. I've always said that if a person goes waving a gun around,they forfeit their life
He was pointing the gun at people before even shot anybody. We expect a crowd to stop an active shooter. It’s not like we don’t know about what happens. It’s not like it’s rare or uncommon. Active shooter on a spree was the most logical conclusion, looking at Rittenhouse
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Response to Walleye (Reply #10)
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 01:51 AM
xmas74 (29,207 posts)
11. They teach children in school to throw things
To confuse a gunman. Books, jackets, shoes-anything to disteact so others can get away.
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Response to mzmolly (Original post)
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 02:01 AM
Blue Owl (43,835 posts)
12. Oh did they now
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Response to mzmolly (Original post)
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 04:02 PM
BusterMove (11,996 posts)
17. Yeah not really. Firing 4 shots in SD?
Maybe squeeze one off then check for affect!
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Response to mzmolly (Original post)
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 07:14 PM
crickets (24,688 posts)
19. K&R for visibility.
Response to mzmolly (Original post)
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 08:13 PM
Algernon Moncrieff (5,720 posts)
20. Newsweek is not the jury
They will be the arbiters of whose argument was strongest.
Unless the judge dismisses with prejudice- a distinct possibility. |