Holy Effin' Shit

[Roy Rolling]

I now understand January 6th.

A trained, amateur-but-endorsed paramilitary regiment invaded the Capitol to steal the ballots under the cover of thousands of morons rioting to break in.

The paramilitary regiment was sent by TFG handlers, and TFG incited the riot that afforded them cover.

[Buns_of_Fire]

1. It wouldn't have dawned on them that the states could just resubmit

the certifications.

[denbot]

2. That was the point, they probably were going to resend "their" certified ballots.

Probably under the cover of Martial Law.

[Buns_of_Fire]

6. Certainly a possibility, but it would have taken the whole mess

from Constitutional Crisis Defcon 4 to Constitutional Crisis Defcon 6. There was too much of a paper trail already to do it under any sort of cover. But I wouldn't put it past them to try.

[oldsoftie]

18. Plus the Electors would know their votes.

Unless they planned to get rid of all them too. Fantasy

[Celerity]

48. There is no DEFCON 6, and the lower the number the worse it is, not the higher

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEFCON

DEFCON 5 is the least threat

DEFCON 1 means nuclear war is imminent or already started

[BlackSkimmer]

51. Lol, it's funny so many people get that wrong. nt

[HuskyOffset]

56. To avoid getting it wrong, watch or rewatch WarGames (NT)

[BlackSkimmer]

75. I know! Great movie!

[Buns_of_Fire]

72. One reason (among many) I'm not in charge of blowing stuff up. nt

[NullTuples]

80. But...THIS ONE GOES TO ELEVEN!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

31. No, plan was to subvert the states legislatures to send new FIXED-UP fraudulent certifications. .nt

[LiberalArkie]

54. There are three copies. 1 to the states Secretary of State, 1 to congress, and I believe 1 to the

national archive.

[malaise]

63. That's what I learned on Jan 6

when I asked about the ballots.
The coup plotters aren't that smart

[LiberalArkie]

81. That is one thing they have not been accused of - Being Smart

Probably around the IQ of an eggplant.

[Farmer-Rick]

59. Yes, they knew they could be re-sent by the states.

They wanted to stop the counting at that time. Just a temporary delay. Because the law is very specific about dates, when and by whom the counting must be done.

The old 1800 law actually has specific dates when these counts are required. By getting rid of the ballots, it would delay all those dates. Then even when the states sent the ballots again, Fat Donny could challenge the count in front of his hand selected Supreme Court. Much like W did.

The plan was to get the Supremes to vote him back in, just like they voted in W. We all knew that Gore won. But the Supremes voted in W ruling to not count ballots and legal votes. The Supremes set precedent for NOT counting votes. They could have, and probably would have, voted in Fat Donny the same way.

[Voltaire2]

83. Not on the required day.

This would have put the process into undocumented procedural trouble, which presumably the coup plotters would then take advantage of to, for example try to proceed to the back up House vote process, guaranteeing a Trump win.

[TrogL]

92. Wouldn't that make Pelosi President?

I know about the counting by States thing, but I think that's a different process.

[Generic Brad]

90. No. It wouldn't have dawned on them because they are stupid

They were counting on the rest of us to just accept their shit show as reality. This is the crew that believed they would win because of COVID.

[madaboutharry]

3. Do you have a link/source for this information?

[Roy Rolling]

5. Sorry, No Link

I deduced it from all available information—isn’t that what mass media is about? Speculation on my part. 😂

It just makes sense there were serious amateur paramilitary individuals playing army amongst the distraction of a riotous crowd. Some had a mission they trained for, others were just there to riot and unwittingly provide cover.

It is a natural next step to this excellent post: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216057509

[Haggard Celine]

13. I saw that article too, and I came to the same conclusion.

What they were attempting to do is now clear. Seems that the main question now is, who knew about the plans and said nothing to stop it, or maybe even helped it along. I believe several members of Congress were privy to Trump's plans. They're all conspirators, and they need to be tried and sent to prison.

[ShazzieB]

42. No wonder the Republicans in Congress tried like hell to keep an investigation from happening.

It's even worse than we thought. The ones who were in on it must be scared out of their tiny minds!

[Haggard Celine]

52. Yes, Jordan, Brooks, Gohmert, Gosar, etc. have been freaking out.

They squealed like slaughtered pigs when Pelosi wouldn't let Jordan on the committee. They are really sweating this. I hope they're so nervous that they have to drink until they pass out in order to get any sleep.

[gab13by13]

44. It pisses me off to no end,

we even have information from a whistleblower that some Capitol police were involved, yet no one investigates it. We have all kinds of reliable information from reporters that warrants DOJ open up an investigation. I am nearly out of f.cks to give.

How hard is it to find out who authorized the Capitol tours the insurrectionists were on? Everything is just swept under the carpet. I heard some lame reason why the panic buttons on the desks were disabled. I don't want to live in an autocracy because only the people who are in power and those who support the people in power are above the law. People like me will be hunted down.

[Haggard Celine]

55. It's like the DoJ only has one employee to investigate all this shit.

It seems like they can only do one thing at a time. Do they need more people? There is some hostility toward the investigation inside the DoJ. Certainly, many of them are Republicans as well as Democrats. As you say, they can get their shit together when they do investigations and go after private citizens, but it all breaks down when they go after corrupt politicians. It's all going too slowly. These Congressmen and Senators who are guilty need to be exposed within the next year. If they shuffle around and put things off until a new Congress gets elected, it will be too late.

[ancianita]

82. True. That shuffling around until a new Congress is elected? That's a feature of investigations,

not a bug. It has happened before.
It's due to what I call it the pro-white Republican bias of the FBI and in a supporting role, the DOJ.

[Grasswire2]

84. They know. They have to know who authorized the tours. And who planted the pipe bombs.

Someone's keeping the lid on the information.

Ten months now, and the bomber hasn't been identified? I don't believe that. I believe the FBI knows who did these things, and is reluctant to release the information for some reason.

If the pipe bomber were a nobody, we would know the identity by now.

If the person authorizing the tours were a nobody, we would know the identity by now.

Which means that the perps were likely members of Congress.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

89. Me too I feel a big target on my back.

And after they rob the social security and safety net, having diabeties,not being able or affording to buy metformin and glimeperide I have a number of days before
Diabeties would kill me.

I would lose everything if authoritarian scumbags got control.

We have to do something to disempower authoritarians ,narcissists and sociopaths.

Identify them and take them out of power and remove them from our government. They lack empathy and a conscience. They are unfit to be part of the government.

And we also need to put strict small number limits on what dark triad over wealthy can do to put dark triads like themselves being involved with government,etc

And make these monsters a lot less wealthy.
So they cannot control this country via bribes and gifts.

[WestIndianArchie]

35. Hey

I never even thought of it this way. I think your logic is sound.

[Roy Rolling]

4. It Was a Plan

A stupid plan. Because they ignored having a curse in their midst—ETTD. They were doomed to failure from the start.😉

[gab13by13]

23. I would not ne so sure about that,

they wanted it to go to the SC, it was not doomed to failure.

[Farmer-Rick]

62. Exactly right.

They wanted a delay so that the government would be in violation of the old 1800 law that sets out specific dates.

Then Fat Donny could challenge the new counts in front of his hand selected Supreme Court.

Since the Supremes have already ruled you can Stop counting legal and valid votes when you feel it is unfair to Republicans or W.

Trump wanted his appointed judges to rule to stop counting valid and legal votes just like they did for W.

[no_hypocrisy]

7. If memory serves, the ballots were locked in a secured box as soon as

1) the mob's attack was acknowledged by the Senate, and
2) Pence stopped counting those ballots.

The box was secreted out of the Senate Chamber simultaneously with the first of those to evacuate. It was guarded ferociously.

[bucolic_frolic]

14. The ballots held the magic

Who ever thought we would view our democracy and its institutions and ceremony in this way?

[gab13by13]

25. Actually, the ballots were nearly left where they were,

were it not for staffers realizing they needed to take them with them. Saying they were guarded ferociously is quite inciteful, I would like to see where that fact came from. The ballots ended up where the staffers holding the ballots were sequestered.

[no_hypocrisy]

29. Here

Senate salvages Electoral College ballots before rioters break into the chamber
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/06/electoral-college-ballots-saved-during-capitol-riots.html

The women who saved the boxes of electoral votes during a riot in the Capitol
https://19thnews.org/2021/01/the-women-who-saved-the-boxes-of-electoral-college-votes-during-a-riot-in-the-capitol/

[panader0]

30. Yup. The two female staffers carried the box away. They were the only ones it seems,

that understood the significance of the ballots. Thank you ladies.

[gab13by13]

39. They need to get a medal

there were 3 boxes according to Karl's book.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

8. Now that's a special kind of stupid.

But it takes a special kind of stupid to believe a single word that comes out of TFG's mouth and they apparently fell for The Big Lie line, hook and sinker. Sorry, no bait as reward for you fools.

I'm still aghast that this rally was even held, where thousands of Americans traveled from far and wide to attend an event entirely based on lies and deceptions.

Was this "regiment" that bunch that walked up the Capitol steps single-file in an attack formation wearing a lot of paramilitary garb?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

41. 16 Oathkeepers arrested. They met w Roger Stone on the street in the morning of the 6th

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/06/january-6-conspiracy-congress-insurrection-oath-keepers-trump-roger-stone/

June 2, 2021
January 6 Conspiracy Case Deepens Against Oath Keepers
Sixteen are now charged, and the feds appear to be closing in on the group’s founder.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

86. That last photo was burned into my mind in January.

When I saw it in January news coverage, it was a clear signal that this was something more than a protest that got out of hand. For me, that made it clear that some of this invasion was carefully planned.

I'll never understand how Stone has stayed out of prison as he surely is one of the most evil humans on this planet. He and Bannon both flew over and stirred up right-wing trouble in Europe, too. He even bragged the Oathkeepers were his bodyguards.

Those rubes go to jail and Stone walks free......

Thanks, Bernardo for posting these photos.......

[Goonch]

9. 🖖‍;-{)

[Croney]

19. It's hard to tell if those are the "smarts" or their twin,

the "stupids."

[GoCubsGo]

40. Y'all Qaeda.

[Lovie777]

10. Yep . .

The Parliamentary Office was the "most" ransacked office in the entire building. They were looking for the ballot box and thank goodness one of the staff members took it with them.

[gab13by13]

37. There were 3 boxes.

[malaise]

11. THIS

but they all failed amd they all should be locked up

[Roy Rolling]

12. Yes

Bannon was a missed opportunity to snag one of the ringleaders. I hope the DOJ has plans to deal with other senior conspirators more seriously. The timing is important, and the best reason to not make a virtual martyr of Bannon is that there’s a lot more to come and he ain’t nothing special, as it’s said.

He had his 15-minutes on the courthouse steps, now slither back into your hole while the rest of the group is exposed. No more media coverage for Bannon.

[gab13by13]

26. Bannon does a pod cast every day,

unless the judge banned him from it and I saw nothing reported that happened.

[jaxexpat]

46. Unfortunately, it will require more Republicans to defect in order for the system to function.

That's the sticking point to any and all of this mess, this critically dangerous situation. A situation wherein the influence of the delusional and their delusion dealers must be neutralized, allowing fixed legal procedures to reset the essential legitimacy of government. There is a tipping point which must be reached. Perhaps there are still enough free-thinking Republicans who see their own fate in the battle Liz Cheney wages for her own relevance against the mad king's mob. Enough to overcome this madness and pull us all back from the brink.

This time the delusion dealers are the closest they've ever been to total success. Their goal? Nothing less than capitulation of the US government into chaos followed by fascist reactionaryism (perhaps even a coup or two) all devolving into national impotence, relegating the US to a third rate showing on the world stage. History, when accurately written, will show that the whole enterprise went down for the sake of a ridiculously few extranational dollars paid to the right sort of American citizens cynically marketing their own birthright.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

91. They want slavery back

They want the 1950's back. They want dominionism.

They want to kill and abuse people with no accountability to anyone else.

They ask when can we use the guns.


They want full spectrum domination for themselves and unaccountability for thier most obedient loyal authoritarian thugs.

They want to rule,
Steal,torture,abuse,
rape and destroy with impunity. No more rule of law for them,but prisons and killing fields for us.

I will fight these traitor scum,I hate these monsters in human suits with the heat of a billion suns.

[Roy Rolling]

15. Intelligence is not one of their Co-conspirators

Remember, these are the people who wanted to steal a server overseas that held the imaginary plan they were thwarting. They want to steal books but ignore ideas.

[oldsoftie]

20. Oh, I was told by a few that the CIA DID seize those servers overseas!!

Of course they could only provide 'proof" from whackjob sites likely foreign owned.

[bucolic_frolic]

16. That is a great line of reasoning

How was the as yet uncaptured DNC/RNC bomb placement connected? I'm thinking chaos. But that angle will resurface at some point I'm sure.

[Roy Rolling]

22. And this

Why didn’t it explode? Ineptitude? Technical/mechanical failure? I’m gonna read up on that, I’m not familiar with those details. But good point—more potential chaos and/or distraction.

[multigraincracker]

17. Good point...

It all is starting to ad up now.

[sigpooie]

21. thank god we knew it...

And hid them in a hummer dealership parking lot, so they could not be found....🤣

[rickford66]

24. I believe there were duplicate ballots in different places.

During the riot, I'm sure one of the talking heads mentioned three copies exist.

[gab13by13]

28. Regardless, there would still have been a problem,

I believe I read where signatures would have been challenged all the way to the SC. I am going to try to find the article where I read that.

The bottom line in all of this, bash reporters all you want but everything we are learning about the coup is coming from reporters, it sure would be nice for DOJ with more clout took over the investigation. I want Garland to appoint a special counsel just like Barr appointed Durham who can't be shut down, just like Durham can't be shut down, he is still out there trying to dig up dirt for Trump.

[gab13by13]

32. This is what I found from Karl's book

reported at Raw Story,

"Karl explained that if the insurrectionists were able to steal the ballots they could always be replaced, but the Constitution is specific about votes being done by certain dates and signatures being received and authorized by certain dates. There's no legal framework to deal with what could unfold if the ballots were taken by the attackers. It would clearly go to the Supreme Court, he explained, but who would do that? What kind of lawsuit would be filed?"

[Hortensis]

43. Disruption upon disruption upon disruption.

Though the insurrection caucuses had not firmed up behind tRump in time on January 6, they subsequently did.

[jaxexpat]

47. "It would clearly go to the Supreme Court, he explained, but who would do that?

What kind of lawsuit would be filed?" Very good questions.

However, there is a precedent "of sorts" for such a procedure and the USSC's response. Though it is little comfort, Bush v Gore.

[WestIndianArchie]

33. I think you are on to something

This regiment accounts for the guys moving in single file hands on shoulders and the guy with the plastic cuffs. And the justice system is treating this like someone got caught graffiti tagging the building.

[gab13by13]

36. Well said.

...and guess what, the people who were the diversion are the ones getting arrested so that we all can feel comforted that DOJ is doing its job.

[WestIndianArchie]

45. yup

In any other country on this planet, We would be asking what happened to all those people from Jan 6, and the only answer we would get is we don't know.

[uponit7771]

93. +1

[gab13by13]

34. It really pisses me off,

our DOJ has more than enough information garnered by reporters to open an investigation into the 1/6 insurrection. According to Dan Goldman, former Trump impeachment attorney, he believes that DOJ has no such investigation, there would be leaks by now.

WTF. The select committee is doing its best but we need DOJ to be investigating this, it has more clout and manpower.

[Vinca]

49. That would make sense. It's certainly worth investigating by those who always have sources

on the inside like the Washington Post reporters who are usually ahead of the game.

[Mr. Ected]

50. Given their proclivity towards projection

Their post-election catchphrase "Stop the Steal" means that's exactly what they did.

[Botany]

53. Yup! And if Pence or Speaker Pelosi were murdered and more bloodshed happened then ...

.... TFG would have called for martial law and suspend the results of the election.

And what republican member or members of Congress or their staff pointed out the
location of the Parliamentarian's office to those goons? And how many GOP congress-
persons voted not to except the results of the election?

BTW has this gotten any media coverage?

[gab13by13]

58. Raw Story, lol. but it's not funny.

[malaise]

64. There was a thread here recently pointing out that

a Defense Contractor related to one of the goons used his access to the Capitol Hill lay out.

[Kaleva]

57. Dumb-asses didn't know that there are 6 certified copies of the Electoral College votes.

"One is sent by registered mail to the President of the Senate (who usually is the incumbent vice president of the United States);
Two are sent by registered mail to the Archivist of the United States;
Two are sent to the state's secretary of state; and
One is sent to the chief judge of the United States district court where those electors met."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Meetings

[gab13by13]

60. There is not a debate about there being duplicates,

that isn't the issue. The issue is that the Constitution is specific on this being done in a timely fashion.

The entire 1/6 certification is only supposed to be basically a ceremonial function since the states had already certified the winners. Starfishsaver said he/she was a Constitutional legal expert, that's where I got this from. He/she argued that the election was over, 1/6 was just ceremonial, he/she was wrong.

Had the 1/6 counting not been done on time you can bet your bottom dollar that this would have gone to the majority Nazi Supreme Court.

Was it proper procedure for the SC to pick the president in 2000? Where is that in the Constitution?

[Kaleva]

67. there would have been plenty of time to get the copy from the Archives.

While Congress is required to assembly on the 6th, there doesn't specify a time limit to finish the counting.

[Farmer-Rick]

66. He didn't care about the other copies

It would have given him a basis to challenge the ballots in front of his hand selected Supreme Court judges.

The Supremes have already ruled to stop counting legal and fair ballots to vote in W.

They were going to rule to stop counting because it was unfair to Fat Donny like they did for W.

I bet if we do a little digging, there is some communications between Fat Donny and Roberts or other Supreme Court judges. Maybe even Barr was talking to the Supremes.

[Kaleva]

68. How would it have given him the basis to challenge?

the copy Congress has is certified as valid as the other 5 copies.

[Farmer-Rick]

71. That's a good question.

I would have to look at the law again, but it is so specific that I'm sure there could be an argument made. Clarence in particular seemed concerned about timing.

The Supremes had just barely turned away the PA court ruling and it involved timing of counts too.

"The cases involved an appeal of a Pennsylvania Supreme Court decision requiring election officials to receive and count mailed-in ballots that arrived up to three days after the election. Three of the nine justices said they would have heard the case, which would not have affected the election’s outcome.

Justice Clarence Thomas called the cases an “ideal opportunity” to address an important question whether state lawmakers or state courts get the last word about the manner in which federal elections are carried out."

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-pennsylvania-elections-us-supreme-court-5cc6aee8c328c7bb1d423244b979bcec

How did counting Florida votes again hurt W? And yet the Supreme Court ruled not to count them. I think timing of counts is kind of what they wanted to rule on to keep their guy in the WH.

[Kaleva]

77. It's my understanding that the original goal of the R's was to delay the cert by several days

They would do this by challenging the EC vote of several states. This plan fell apart because the riot caused many R's in the Senate to bail leaving only Cruz and Hawley who were willing to contest. to successfully challenge the EC vote of a state, you need at least one member of each member to challenge.

[Farmer-Rick]

94. Yeah, I had heard that.

But not the specifics. Thanks for the info.

If this coupe attempt had been organized by a smarter person, they might have succeeded. Though I'm not sure how much the oligarchy enjoyed the pandemic....so some were hesitant about helping him.

Have you noticed that when presidents get in with less than majority votes, something really awful happens?

W have us 9/11 and an economic crash and Fat Donny gave us an out of control pandemic and a crash.

[NoMoreRepugs]

61. With so many nincompoops involved how is it possible

nobody has talked?? It just seems impossible with so many MaRoons involved.

[Kaleva]

69. People that live in La-La Land can't produce plans that work in the real world.

[Baitball Blogger]

70. Was that paramilitary group the one that walked through the crowd in single file?

All dressed up for warfare?

[Crataegus]

73. Heres a Snopes page about this

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/two-women-save-electoral-votes/

[C Moon]

87. That Snopes page is about a miscaptioned photo only.

[FoxNewsSucks]

74. And some people thought R's learned nothing from Benghazi . . .

That was the tactic terrorists used there. Using the cover and distraction of massive protests to carry out the attack.

In this case, they just had to get MF45 to rile up the morons to swarm the Capitol.

[uponit7771]

76. yep

[Marcuse]

78. TFG 's inspiration:

[TeamProg]

79. I'd LIKE to belive that, but, wait - no I don't! It's un-American, seriously.

I'll believe that when I see that it's been proven.

We need ALL of this kind of TREASONOUS CRAP to come to light.

Then traitors need to go to prison for a very long time.

[spanone]

85. ...K&R...

[Blue Owl]

88. Sweet mother of Pence