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(32,331 posts)Wow, a simple, racially stupid reason. God Bless America.
Pepsidog
(6,365 posts)LeftInTX
(34,545 posts)
BTW, my county used to be the largest county in the country. I'm in San Antonio and Bexar County went all the way up where Colorado is! Guess it shows how few people lived in Texas!
Shortly after, it was all subdivided and by the time of the Civil War, the counties were almost like they were now
OAITW r.2.0
(32,331 posts)Thanks for posting. 2 things I never knew that I learned at DU today. For a 68 year old, that is a great thng.
Marcuse
(9,051 posts)OAITW r.2.0
(32,331 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Bexar county would have been larger than a lot of countries. West border over on the Rio Grande, Arkansas River across the top of the NW corner? Do you know why they tried for that skinny finger pointing north? Up the west side of the Rockies? Were they trying to get to the Snake River and X, or ?
LeftInTX
(34,545 posts)Between 1836 and 1850, I have no idea exactly what happened.
Texas started out small in 1836.
Another, probably easier to comprehend..says disputed territory

It must have somehow acquired land from New Mexico and a small part of land from California. Maybe it was easy land grab??
It became a state in 1845 and the border was moved further south after the Mexican-American War.
LeftInTX
(34,545 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)drive in states where slave labor was once used? The westward movement of cotton happened because hating had become less satisfying east of the Missisippi? Maybe white people discovered their hate burned hotter where the rain didn't keep damping it and started flocking there?
LeftInTX
(34,545 posts)Although Texas was a slave state that produced cotton, I don't think it was as cheap to ship from Texas as it was to ship it from New Orleans.
Cotton moved west after the civil war, but it had to do with land parcels and machinery. Today AZ, NW, and West Texas (not East Texas) lead the nation in cotton production. The western states production is a 20th Century thing. I don't think they even grow cotton in East Texas anymore.
I read an article about cotton production a few months ago. Pima Cotton is an Arizona cotton.

https://mappinghistory.uoregon.edu/english/US/US18-01.html
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)also wore out their soil and would pull up stakes and move to undeveloped land farther west, using slave labor of course to make this possible.
Your cotton map illustrates that, before modern irrigation made farming in the arid west possible, just about mid Texas was where annual rainfall finally became too low for agriculture.
Didn't know that about Pima cotton, but that reminds me that coffee experts have reportedly found a variety of wild coffee that can be grown with less water and tastes as good as Arabica. (!) Guessing climate change will have me switching to tea before it's widely available, though.
DURHAM D
(33,069 posts)I would be willing to bet that 90% of the citizens in Okie flats have no idea this is why they have a panhandle.
OAITW r.2.0
(32,331 posts)tenderfoot
(8,982 posts)FakeNoose
(41,916 posts)... it was about this time in Texas history. It takes place about 10 years after Texas lost the Civil War and they still hadn't reconciled to the loss. A lot of lawless "rebel" soldiers ran around the countryside causing trouble because they couldn't accept that the North had won.
Tom Hanks' character had been a commander in the Confederate army, but once the war was lost he swore allegiance to the Union so he was OK. There was still a lot of racism and hatred towards native Americans, but somehow European immigrants were tolerated and welcomed.
I quite enjoyed that movie, and marveled that it was shot in Australia because modern-day Texas is way too built up. Also that was how Tom Hanks and his wife were infected with Covid, it happened in Australia last year.
NameAlreadyTaken
(2,304 posts)"A lot of lawless "rebel" soldiers ran around the countryside causing trouble because they couldn't accept that [someone else] had won."
VarryOn
(2,343 posts)Right near the OK panhandle. I've seriously given thought to retiring there. It's a beautiful area if you're OK with constant wind. And beautiful people, politics aside. Cost of living is low and not a lot of density. Wide open spaces.
SergeStorms
(20,676 posts)to generate your own electricity and stay off the grid. If it's as windy as you say, you'd have no problem running an entire hacienda with a single generator, and probably not one that's too elaborate.
Tess49
(1,623 posts)Windmills are everywhere around here. OG&E (electric company) lets us opt in for wind generated electricity. Pretty much everyone here, who ventures outside, walks around with wild, wind blown hair. I don't bother to carry a comb or brush with me. Pointless.
OAITW r.2.0
(32,331 posts)There are some awesome wind tech that mounts horizontally on the roof peak, capturing rising heat induced airflow action.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)eppur_se_muova
(42,088 posts)ShazzieB
(22,696 posts)sinkingfeeling
(57,861 posts)this is banned in Texas.
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)go eco & it won't ! everybody's saying that everything is bigger in that state ! I lived there for 8 yr's & hated every minute of it ! that was rick perry's reign of terrorism ! now they got the great miracle worker for governor !
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)CatWoman
(80,298 posts)"How the states got their shapes"
https://watch.historyvault.com/shows/how-the-states-got-their-shapes?cmpid=HV_HTSGTS_Site_Promo_Tile
Maru Kitteh
(31,854 posts)PortTack
(35,820 posts)TxGuitar
(4,350 posts)What pure state are you from? Do tell, we can no doubt find issues. You're playing exactly into the hands of the right wing. Are you doing it on purpose?
Texasgal
(17,241 posts)We provide a shit load of resources to our country! From Tech to Tomatoes!
What a ridiculous comment!
iscooterliberally
(3,159 posts)Can we give it to Texas? They can take our governor too.
LeftInTX
(34,545 posts)1764...I'm pretty sure West Florida eventually went to Mississippi and Alabama, so that those states could have ports.

Klaralven
(7,510 posts)Oklahoma - The panhandle of Oklahoma -- one of its distinguishing characteristics -- was sold to the federal government in 1850 by Texas. Texas did this because as a slave state, it did not want its northern border to go above the 36 1/2 parallel, which would have violated the Missouri Compromise. Until 1890, when it was attached to Oklahoma Territory, the panhandle was a lawless land.
Texas - It got its distinctive shape after the Compromise of 1850, when it sold some of its northwestern land area in exchange for the U.S. taking on its massive debt load.
Wounded Bear
(64,424 posts)You know the whole Alamo fight and all? Yeah, that one.
The historic spin was that Santa Ana had taken over Mexico and assumed a dictatorship, and Texas rebelled for "freedom." Remember that old yarn? Yeah, that doesn't tell the whole story. The fact is that most of the immigrants that came to Texas were from the South and of course had slaves to run their farms/ranches. Mexico under Santa Ana looked like it would abolish slavery and Texans weren't really down with that development.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_Texas
The issue of slavery became a source of contention between the Anglo-American settlers and Spanish governors. The governors feared the growth in the Anglo-American population in Texas, and for various reasons, by the early 19th century, they and their superiors in Mexico City disapproved of expanding slavery. In 1829 the Guerrero decree conditionally abolished slavery throughout Mexican territories. It was a decision that increased tensions with slave-holders among the Anglo-Americans.
After the Texas Revolution ended in 1836, the Constitution of the Republic of Texas made slavery legal. Sam Houston made illegal importation from Mexico a crime in 1836. The General Provisions of the Constitution forbade any slave owner from freeing his slaves without the consent of Congress and forbade Congress from making any law that restricted the slave trade or emancipated slaves.
LeftInTX
(34,545 posts)But it was loosely enforced and the Mexican program was a gradual "phase-out".
Texas had work-arounds, but it was becoming obvious that slavery would disappear under Mexico.
Santa Ana was a dictator.
My husband is a descendant of the founders of New Leon, Monterrey and Coahuilla. Those guys were horrible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_de_Montemayor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_del_Canto
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_de_Carvajal_y_de_la_Cueva
During the Chichimeca War in 1550, Montemayor was often away from his third wife, Juana Porcallo de la Cerda, and her attention soon focused on Alberto del Canto, only a few years her elder. When Montemayor later confronted her about the ongoing affair, an argument ensued, he drew his sword and killed her. Montemayor fled into the wilderness to the north, but was eventually cleared of all charges (perhaps because a law at the time allowed a man to kill his unfaithful wife). His daughter with Juana Porcallo, Estefanía, later married Alberto del Canto and had three children with him, though the two separated in 1596. Estefanía moved back to Monterrey with her father, and her children took the last name of Montemayor. Montemayor never met his vow to kill Alberto del Canto.[7]
Nice guys..LOL All out to kill each other...LOL..
Spanish authorities said the Carvajal had a gang of "more than sixty soldiers" and to have made a fortune capturing and selling Indian slaves. They raided north along the Rio Grande, capturing hundreds of Indians whom they sold into slavery.[14] But the government was attempting to find a peaceful solution to the long-running and bloody Chichimeca War. Enslavement was one of the grievances of the Indians and a peaceful solution involved protecting the Indians against slavers. All along the frontier two successive Viceroys promoting peace with the Chichimecas cracked down on the slavers.[15]
Santa Ana was also European.
pecosbob
(8,423 posts)LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)If northern border of Texas was lowered to southern border of Oklahoma and eastern border of New Mexico pushed further east.
WarGamer
(18,708 posts)LeftInTX
(34,545 posts)We went to that crazy steak house. It was December 26th and the place was really crowded. My daughter in law likes the place. She went to school in Lubbock. https://www.bigtexan.com/
Amarillo is also a drive through town going east-west..I think it's on old Route 66. It's also on north south on the way to Colorado.
It does have Palo Duro Canyon which is really nice!
Lubbock is known for its wind and dust storms, so I assume Amarillo is the same. A friend in Lubbock said they have hard time growing trees there. When my son would visit his future wife up at Texas Tech, the lack of trees drove him nuts.