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Goodheart

(5,381 posts)
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 04:37 PM Nov 2021

Is Rittenhouse crapping his pants right now?

The rightwingers I know thought that this would be a quick acquittal. But time is passing, and passing, and passing.... which by now means, of course, that somebody on the jury believes he's guilty of at least one major charge.

Maybe even REAL tears by now.


Yes, I know... this didn't deserve its own thread.

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Is Rittenhouse crapping his pants right now? (Original Post) Goodheart Nov 2021 OP
Hope so... dixiechiken1 Nov 2021 #1
Could the lesser charges be reason for the longer session? olegramps Nov 2021 #49
Lengthy deliberations favor the defendant berni_mccoy Nov 2021 #2
Link? Goodheart Nov 2021 #5
It's common knowledge my friend berni_mccoy Nov 2021 #12
I don't believe that. BlueLucy Nov 2021 #28
There's no substantial evidence either way. Drunken Irishman Nov 2021 #34
The past criminal homegirl Nov 2021 #63
What would she be charged with? sarisataka Nov 2021 #66
Giving homegirl Nov 2021 #104
You apparently don't realize that isn't true sarisataka Nov 2021 #105
Think of it this way berni_mccoy Nov 2021 #85
No way to think of it. Drunken Irishman Nov 2021 #93
Then it should be really easy for you to post a link! Nt USALiberal Nov 2021 #82
Hung up on proving shit berni_mccoy Nov 2021 #84
Damn..... a kennedy Nov 2021 #6
Cite your source. W_HAMILTON Nov 2021 #16
While that's the maxim... regnaD kciN Nov 2021 #17
Fingers crossed for GUILTYs of murders of Rosenbaum and Huber. Also hoping for GUILTY for iluvtennis Nov 2021 #31
I agree. TexasTowelie Nov 2021 #33
So do I. calimary Nov 2021 #77
I think it's quite the opposite. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 2021 #21
I Was On A Jury In March 2020 ProfessorGAC Nov 2021 #39
Do you mean prosecution? Celerity Nov 2021 #50
I Did, Yes! ProfessorGAC Nov 2021 #55
Conventional wisdom leans to the opposite, but time will tell in this case. paleotn Nov 2021 #22
Not in my 25 years of criminal defense trial work Ponietz Nov 2021 #52
+1, the opposite sounds like people looking through evidence uponit7771 Nov 2021 #53
Yeah I got lots of lawyers in the fam berni_mccoy Nov 2021 #86
It is a nerve wracking situation be on trial facing a long prison sentence. Tomconroy Nov 2021 #3
I hope you're right. Lunabell Nov 2021 #4
What mom and dad instigated this crime? BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #9
How are the parents involved in this again? Sympthsical Nov 2021 #10
who are the person(s) DENVERPOPS Nov 2021 #27
Gun Was Bought With His Money ProfessorGAC Nov 2021 #42
I read here yesterday that Kyle got the money for the gun Haggard Celine Nov 2021 #48
Which might be more time than KR gets localroger Nov 2021 #75
Ain't that something? Haggard Celine Nov 2021 #76
Really hasn't been that long. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #7
Guilty! Goodheart Nov 2021 #8
Well, I agree. He obviously murdered two people. Period. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #13
I meant I'm guilty of what you charged me with. Goodheart Nov 2021 #15
Lol, sorry, outside doing battle with autumn leaves. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #18
So do I! And rather fervently, too. calimary Nov 2021 #62
I think he's in for a bad time, even if acquitted. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #67
You really think that? Or will he be walking the halls of Congress... SMC22307 Nov 2021 #78
I really doubt it. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #95
Evidently #RollerNazi Madison Cawthorn made the same offer. SMC22307 Nov 2021 #110
He should be SoCalNative Nov 2021 #11
On what charges? forthemiddle Nov 2021 #30
Well, for starters SoCalNative Nov 2021 #36
Wrong on both counts forthemiddle Nov 2021 #43
We'll just wait and see SoCalNative Nov 2021 #45
No, these are established facts. There is no "wait and see" for established facts. Sympthsical Nov 2021 #79
No He Didn't ProfessorGAC Nov 2021 #46
The myth that won't die. TwilightZone Nov 2021 #56
False manicdem Nov 2021 #71
He never crossed a state line with a firearm. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #96
The firearm was waiting for him when he arrived in WI Polybius Nov 2021 #108
He was declared innocent last week I noticed. Kingofalldems Nov 2021 #14
IMO: It's either a hung jury or at least one or more guilty verdicts Scottie Mom Nov 2021 #19
You wanted guilty on the charge of shooting Gaige Grosskreutz? Polybius Nov 2021 #109
He'll be fine either way. jaysunb Nov 2021 #20
And Gaetz wants to hire him as an aide. He's a golden child; "my president" one RWNJ cable news Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author IowaGuy Nov 2021 #26
😆 🤣 nt jaysunb Nov 2021 #60
Classy. nt BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #100
Upon some reflection, your sarcasm towards my unthinking post was well deserved - self deleting. IowaGuy Dec 2021 #111
😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣 Traildogbob Nov 2021 #29
No, he has NOT been hired by anyone. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #99
Sarcasm🤨 Traildogbob Nov 2021 #102
Mark Who?!? modrepub Nov 2021 #41
anally raped for years doesn't sound 'fine' but hey, that's just me Celerity Nov 2021 #51
That's just me too. nt reACTIONary Nov 2021 #74
Or his front teeth busted out. MerryBlooms Nov 2021 #87
Agreed on all points MustLoveBeagles Nov 2021 #89
I think you are replying to the wrong person, I made no prison rape joke Celerity Nov 2021 #90
I'm agreeing with you. MerryBlooms Nov 2021 #91
oh, sorry, I misunderstood! Celerity Nov 2021 #92
Certain people here really love the concept of prison rape. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #98
I'm surprised it's taken this long sarisataka Nov 2021 #65
Where do I or any one else say they approve. jaysunb Nov 2021 #69
Uh-huh, sure sarisataka Nov 2021 #72
You need to educate yourself on MerryBlooms Nov 2021 #88
You seriously don't think women behind bars are subjected to violence?! yardwork Nov 2021 #103
Are you for real? BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #97
Maybe he got a secret unsigned note from the judge DFW Nov 2021 #23
LOL! You never know. I hope not. LymphocyteLover Nov 2021 #37
I just saw a few brief clips of that judge speaking from the bench DFW Nov 2021 #44
Yes and the judge is probably thinking I thought I fixed it really good it should have been over Tribetime Nov 2021 #80
There could be a Nullifier on the Jury who refuses to convict, no matter what. maxsolomon Nov 2021 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author rainin Nov 2021 #32
I'm sure he's getting nervous--- it's fine to make a thread on this! LymphocyteLover Nov 2021 #35
I was Rec 37. Seems others think this DID deserve its own thread. Stinky The Clown Nov 2021 #38
There's doubt in someone's mind about something bucolic_frolic Nov 2021 #40
If he's convicted geardaddy Nov 2021 #47
The next right wing d-bags running for the republican Governor primary will probably be falling... Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2021 #83
Bad feeling about this aeromanKC Nov 2021 #54
I do hope so. Joinfortmill Nov 2021 #57
If you cut through the politics around this case . . . Aussie105 Nov 2021 #58
Did humans lose the ability to connect the dots or... Brainfodder Nov 2021 #59
Sometimes jury questions give you a hint as to what is Tomconroy Nov 2021 #61
The fact they are out this long suggests the holdouts are pro acquittal DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2021 #64
The holdouts will be wingnut heroes with many TV appearances Goodheart Nov 2021 #73
I'm guessing a 'hung jury' left-of-center2012 Nov 2021 #68
That's what I thought last week this week I think he's going to be convicted Tribetime Nov 2021 #81
Yes it did orangecrush Nov 2021 #70
🤞🏽🤞🏽🤞🏽 live love laugh Nov 2021 #94
He should have started shitting his pants when the Prosecution delivered GoodRaisin Nov 2021 #101
No n/t Devil Child Nov 2021 #106
I'm sure he will look back at those 3 days fescuerescue Nov 2021 #107
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
34. There's no substantial evidence either way.
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 05:46 PM
Nov 2021
https://versustexas.com/blog/length-of-jury-deliberations/

Just another urban legend. In fact, you have some saying the exact opposite:

Criminal defense attorney Michael Cardoza says that in his experience, a quick verdict usually favors the defendant. “But this is an emotional case, even compared to murder cases, because we're talking about pedophiles and child molestation. The jurors are going to go over this evidence very, very carefully. This may well mean they can‘t come to a verdict and that they‘re deadlocked.”


https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna8149100

homegirl

(1,453 posts)
63. The past criminal
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 06:51 PM
Nov 2021

records of the victims are not relevant, in fact they should not have been discussed in the court room. Kyle's victims could as easily have been a priest, a social worker or even an undercover law enforcement officer!

Thirty years served consecutively with no parole is too good for Kyle. And Mamma Rittenhouse should be next!


sarisataka

(19,437 posts)
105. You apparently don't realize that isn't true
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 12:23 PM
Nov 2021

And has been repeatedly debunked here, farther down in this thread even.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
85. Think of it this way
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 11:28 PM
Nov 2021

The onus of proof is on the prosecution.

If the jury can’t decide, then the failure belongs to the prosecution, not the defense.

The defense has the favor going in, innocent unless proven guilty.

The burden is ALWAYS on the prosecution.

People here lose their shit over a simple fucking statement. FAVOR doesn’t mean the defense will prevail. It means they have the odds in their favor.

If the prosecution proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt and it was crystal clear, the jury would come back right away.

Clearly, that isn’t the case here.

That doesn’t mean the defendant won’t be found guilty. It just means the odds are in his favor.

For fuck’s sakes people.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
93. No way to think of it.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 12:24 AM
Nov 2021

We don't know what the jury is discussing. Anyone who is trying to predict the verdict based on how long the jury meets is probably also someone who believes Punxsutawney Phil can predict when winter ends.

There is no evidence whatsoever to indicate either way. It's a myth. There are 'no odds in his favor' because the jury is taking its time. That is just pure make believe and the link I posted proves this.

regnaD kciN

(26,067 posts)
17. While that's the maxim...
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 04:48 PM
Nov 2021

…that generally applies in clear-cut trials where the prosecution seems to have easily demonstrated guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. In a case like this, where the judge was basically skewing everything in the defense’s favor, the lack of a quick acquittal seems to portend something quite different. While I don’t think he’ll be convicted on everything, this does suggest a guilty verdict on at least some of the charges.

iluvtennis

(20,028 posts)
31. Fingers crossed for GUILTYs of murders of Rosenbaum and Huber. Also hoping for GUILTY for
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 05:42 PM
Nov 2021

the maiming for Gaige Grosskreutz.

TexasTowelie

(113,541 posts)
33. I agree.
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 05:43 PM
Nov 2021

I think that the jury believes that he is guilty of some crime, they are trying to determine what level the crime escalated to.

BlueTsunami2018

(3,551 posts)
21. I think it's quite the opposite.
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 05:07 PM
Nov 2021

Fast usually means not guilty.

But I don’t have a lot of expectations for this trial.

ProfessorGAC

(66,090 posts)
39. I Was On A Jury In March 2020
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 05:50 PM
Nov 2021

Last edited Thu Nov 18, 2021, 06:27 PM - Edit history (1)

We deliberated 20 minutes. I was foreman, and I only directed the discussion, never expressed an opinion.
I took one vote. 12 Not Guilty votes.
20 minutes.
The prosecution, to me, didn't even prove a crime was actually committed, let alone prove beyond doubt the defendant did it.
I'm with you.
I don't think the jury deliberating longer is an indicator of a decision on guilt or innocence, particularly when there are multiple options as to crime & culpability.
Edited because Celerity noticed a boneheaded mistake.

Celerity

(44,470 posts)
50. Do you mean prosecution?
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 06:03 PM
Nov 2021
The defense, to me, didn't even prove a crime was actually committed, let alone prove beyond doubt the defendant did it.

Ponietz

(3,165 posts)
52. Not in my 25 years of criminal defense trial work
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 06:20 PM
Nov 2021

Quick verdicts were likely to be acquittals in my jurisdiction—the longer they were out the more likely they would convict on something. My guess is there’s a DUMP humper or two on the jury holding up a conviction(s).

Yesterday the thread about the defense motion for new trial drew similar ‘expert’ analysis.

Lunabell

(6,209 posts)
4. I hope you're right.
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 04:41 PM
Nov 2021

I wish that the victims would sue the whole family too. Bankrupt the mom and dad for instigating this crime if there are no criminal charges against them.

But, I hope you're right and they see it as I see it. A planned vigilante crime.

DENVERPOPS

(9,110 posts)
27. who are the person(s)
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 05:37 PM
Nov 2021

that illegally bought the gun, and also, who gave him the money to buy it and the ammunition....those weapons are not cheap.
Those individuals, complicit in the crime, should get prison time also.............

I ask the question, in a criminal trial does the jury need to be unanimous for a guilty decision? If so, I can't imagine a jury being picked anywhere in the nation that wouldn't have at least one white supremacist or Trumphumper seated on it........

ProfessorGAC

(66,090 posts)
42. Gun Was Bought With His Money
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 05:53 PM
Nov 2021

A "friend" bought it for him & stored in Wisconsin.
That person has been indicted.
While I understand your sentiment, but if we encourage that, it should be directed toward those actually culpable.
His parents may be a couple of tools who raised a small minded wannabe vigilante, but that doesn't make them guilty of any crime.

Haggard Celine

(16,894 posts)
48. I read here yesterday that Kyle got the money for the gun
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 06:01 PM
Nov 2021

from a stimulus unemployment check. It was $1200, and he.decided then to take the money and buy a.gun with it. He wasn't old enough to buy it for himself, so he got a friend in Wisconsin to buy it for him. The friend was told that he was really buying the gun for Kyle's mom. The friend has been charged for providing a weapon to a minor, and he might get up to 25 years for that.

Haggard Celine

(16,894 posts)
76. Ain't that something?
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 08:13 PM
Nov 2021

You know that guy is going to feel like a real idiot if Kyle gets off and he gets 25 years. Well, I suppose he already feels like an idiot!

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
18. Lol, sorry, outside doing battle with autumn leaves.
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 04:50 PM
Nov 2021

Worn out.

I really want to believe he’s convicted of something,

calimary

(81,968 posts)
62. So do I! And rather fervently, too.
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 06:48 PM
Nov 2021

I hope this follows him for life.

I hope it actually ruins his life.

Harsh? Yes. But consider this: at least he still HAS a life.

SoCalNative

(4,613 posts)
36. Well, for starters
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 05:47 PM
Nov 2021

he crossed state lines with an illegally possessed firearm. That's one. Civil rights violations would be my second guess.

forthemiddle

(1,392 posts)
43. Wrong on both counts
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 05:54 PM
Nov 2021

Once again some posters show they are no more informed than the average FOX watcher.
1. He NEVER crossed State lines with a firearm.
2. All of his victims were white, so I don’t see any Civil Rights case.

These two points , along with his mother did not drive him to the protest, are rebutted several times every single day.

Sympthsical

(9,238 posts)
79. No, these are established facts. There is no "wait and see" for established facts.
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 10:26 PM
Nov 2021

You were misinformed and stated untrue things. How he got the gun and how he got to Kenosha were covered extensively in the trial and in many stories about it.

ProfessorGAC

(66,090 posts)
46. No He Didn't
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 05:55 PM
Nov 2021

His pal from Wisconsin bought the gun & stored it at his house.
Rittenhouse got the gun AFTER he crossed state lines. It wasn't illegally obtained in Illinois and transported.
The guy that bought a KID a gun for use in Wisconsin is awaiting trial for his actions.

TwilightZone

(25,671 posts)
56. The myth that won't die.
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 06:32 PM
Nov 2021
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/nov/15/viral-image/kyle-rittenhouses-mother-did-not-bring-him-kenosha/

"Kyle Rittenhouse arrived in Kenosha on his own and went to the protest with a friend who provided him with the gun. The gun was kept at the home of the friend’s stepfather in Kenosha."
 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
96. He never crossed a state line with a firearm.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 03:29 AM
Nov 2021

He killed white people so I’m missing any civil rights violations.

Scottie Mom

(5,812 posts)
19. IMO: It's either a hung jury or at least one or more guilty verdicts
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 04:51 PM
Nov 2021

If an easy not guilty, IMO, the jury would have come in by now.

There are five charges and they are taking their time...I am hoping for guilty on all five...but anything that puts that White Supremacist POS in prison for a felony would greatly brighten my day.

Polybius

(15,706 posts)
109. You wanted guilty on the charge of shooting Gaige Grosskreutz?
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 03:23 PM
Nov 2021

He's the man who admitted on the stand that he pointed his gun at Rittenhouse before he was shot.

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
20. He'll be fine either way.
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 05:05 PM
Nov 2021

If found guilty and sent to prison he will be an immediate martyr of the right both in the joint and on the street. The white prison gangs will embrace and protect him from all others. That leadership will reward one of their own by making him a highly prized wife. He and his husband will never lack commissary as the $$ will flow in.
If acquitted... think George Zimmerman..the $$ will continue to flow.

Evolve Dammit

(17,070 posts)
24. And Gaetz wants to hire him as an aide. He's a golden child; "my president" one RWNJ cable news
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 05:29 PM
Nov 2021

host proclaimed. Nazi salute Ingraham I think.

Response to jaysunb (Reply #20)

IowaGuy

(779 posts)
111. Upon some reflection, your sarcasm towards my unthinking post was well deserved - self deleting.
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 03:57 PM
Dec 2021

When I'm wrong, it is proper to call me out on it. Thanks.

Traildogbob

(9,076 posts)
29. 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 05:40 PM
Nov 2021

He’s already hired by Matt Gaetz as a Congressional Intern. And News Max said they would hire him the day he is acquitted. Obviously the only skill for either is Kill Dems and lie your ass off. He fits right in. Morals, Jesus, guns Kings and FreeDumb.

Traildogbob

(9,076 posts)
102. Sarcasm🤨
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 08:34 AM
Nov 2021

Shoulda said he is “as good as” hired. If they take, steal, house and senate, don’t underestimate how absurd they will go to please MAGA’s. Except passing ANY policies to help em. Hell, they got Boerbert, Trailer Queen, Gaetz, Cawthorn etc in much higher positions.

modrepub

(3,521 posts)
41. Mark Who?!?
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 05:52 PM
Nov 2021

Seriously, Zimmerman was a real dead ender before he shot Tryvon. Sure he got some fame but he's not capable of really doing anything with it. Someone who has to file a $100M lawsuit against his victim's family isn't a person with any real redeeming capabilities to function in modern society.

I can't imagine Kyle will do much better. Sure he'll get some publicity and $$ from all this. But I suspect he'll be embroiled in some lawsuits with his parents over stolen money or various tax scams that will be made on his behalf. I don't think he or his parents are that smart. More apt to spend their winnings on weird vacations, mobile homes or speculative land deals.

Life is a long slog. There are precious few who can manage it with grace and courage.

Celerity

(44,470 posts)
51. anally raped for years doesn't sound 'fine' but hey, that's just me
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 06:12 PM
Nov 2021
will reward one of their own by making him a highly prized wife


MerryBlooms

(11,792 posts)
87. Or his front teeth busted out.
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 11:42 PM
Nov 2021

The people who find prison rape and/or inmates as wives (sex chattel) a good or humorous thing, need to do some self reflection. I know a guy who spent 10 years in state prison. He has horror stories about men who these folks are giggling about, or wishing those tortures upon.

Same thing for the those who think women prisoners aren't raped by fellow inmates.

EarlG made comment recently about educating oneself before commenting on on a certain issue. This prison rape topic is definitely another one, where he needs to step in. Way too many prison rape jokes allowed, and way too much ignorance and acceptance of prison sexual violence.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
98. Certain people here really love the concept of prison rape.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 03:37 AM
Nov 2021

EarlG has even spoken out against this, but still it continues.

Really makes one wonder…

sarisataka

(19,437 posts)
65. I'm surprised it's taken this long
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 06:57 PM
Nov 2021

For the glorification of sexual violence to make an appearance.
I had hoped maybe we were becoming better.

I have said before and will continue to say inmate on inmate violence is not a benefit of the system. It is a flaw that people who claim to be progressive should oppose in all cases.

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
69. Where do I or any one else say they approve.
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 07:18 PM
Nov 2021

It's a reality whether you or anyone else are offended by it. And FYI all prison sex is not violent. Some people are just fine with it.
Oh yes, and do you think women behind bars are being subjected to violence and if so, how does that happen. ?
Reality and idealism can sometimes collide.

sarisataka

(19,437 posts)
72. Uh-huh, sure
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 07:47 PM
Nov 2021
He'll be fine...
That leadership will reward one of their own by making him a highly prized wife

Being used as chattel and sex trafficked isn't what I would call "fine".

I did not comment about women in prison however I cannot recall a time where someone posted a 'joke' or mentioned the reality of future violence related to a woman going to prison. The commentary is only used to reference males who are heading to prison. Why do you suppose that is? Do people think women's prison isn't as violent as men's, that rape by guards or other inmates doesn't happen?

I believe a woman's future in prison isn't much different than a man's and will call out anyone who makes light if it, should that ever happen.

MerryBlooms

(11,792 posts)
88. You need to educate yourself on
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 11:49 PM
Nov 2021

Women inmate violence before commenting further.

Women inmates are most certainly sexually assaulted by other inmates.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
97. Are you for real?
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 03:33 AM
Nov 2021

“That leadership will reward one of their own by making him a highly prized wife. He and his husband will never lack commissary as the $$ will flow in.”

There is so much wrong with this statement, I hardly know where to begin.

DFW

(54,852 posts)
23. Maybe he got a secret unsigned note from the judge
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 05:28 PM
Nov 2021

"Son, this will be dragged out for dramatic effect, and to give the libs a temporary thrill, but I took care of you in the courtroom, and I'll take care of you outside of it."

DFW

(54,852 posts)
44. I just saw a few brief clips of that judge speaking from the bench
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 05:54 PM
Nov 2021

He might as well have been doing closing arguments for the defense, as well as PR to the press on the courthouse steps. You'd think James Sensenbrenner was coaching him.

Tribetime

(4,852 posts)
80. Yes and the judge is probably thinking I thought I fixed it really good it should have been over
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 10:41 PM
Nov 2021

By now

maxsolomon

(33,620 posts)
25. There could be a Nullifier on the Jury who refuses to convict, no matter what.
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 05:32 PM
Nov 2021

Or it could be just the opposite.

Wait and see, wait and see.

Response to Goodheart (Original post)

bucolic_frolic

(44,011 posts)
40. There's doubt in someone's mind about something
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 05:51 PM
Nov 2021

I think the longer a verdict goes the more they're focusing on convincing one another than on fact of the case.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,421 posts)
83. The next right wing d-bags running for the republican Governor primary will probably be falling...
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 11:10 PM
Nov 2021

… over themselves to promise a pardon.

aeromanKC

(3,349 posts)
54. Bad feeling about this
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 06:24 PM
Nov 2021

I've gone from definitely a Hung Jury/Mistrial (both sides will have a hold out) to maybe a guilty charge with the long deliberations to now thinking the guilty holdout is getting ready to flip. I hope I'm wrong!!

Aussie105

(5,633 posts)
58. If you cut through the politics around this case . . .
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 06:36 PM
Nov 2021

You get an immature young person who put himself in danger's way, fully armed, with the intent to big note himself.

He killed two people, maimed a third.

In any other country, jury deliberation would take 15 minutes. Ten of those spent drinking the tea/coffee and biscuits supplied in the jury room.

Oh, nice! Coffee and biscuits! Oh yeah, guilty as sin, but give me time before going out again to drink my coffee and eat a few more biscuits!

Brainfodder

(6,426 posts)
59. Did humans lose the ability to connect the dots or...
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 06:39 PM
Nov 2021

$$$$ is just so important that souls are lost?

Our vague/twistable system of laws is due a re-work?

How could that even happen with this travesty level of dumbfuckery on auto-pilot with no end in sight?

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
61. Sometimes jury questions give you a hint as to what is
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 06:39 PM
Nov 2021

Going on but I haven't heard that they have asked any.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,729 posts)
64. The fact they are out this long suggests the holdouts are pro acquittal
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 06:53 PM
Nov 2021

With the majority being pro conviction.

GoodRaisin

(8,984 posts)
101. He should have started shitting his pants when the Prosecution delivered
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 04:19 AM
Nov 2021

their closing argument. I thought it was very convincing that he had murdered people, whether intentionally or carelessly. I think he's going to do some significant hard time one way or the other.

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