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So how long befor Judge Bruce Schroeder is signing a deal with Fox? (Original Post) stevebreeze Nov 2021 OP
The Judge has run twice as a Democrat (once kelly1mm Nov 2021 #1
That's obviously a lie iemanja Nov 2021 #2
It's not a lie. But it also occurred forty years ago. And thus irrelevant. onenote Nov 2021 #4
Is there anything in how he ran that trial that says iemanja Nov 2021 #5
He has a long history of being pro-defendant's rights Sympthsical Nov 2021 #11
He wouldn't let the lawyers refer to the victims as victims. iemanja Nov 2021 #13
Does that change the fact that he ran as a Democrat kelly1mm Nov 2021 #15
He CLAIMED to be a Democrat iemanja Nov 2021 #19
Both President Obama and President Biden kelly1mm Nov 2021 #22
Please provide a link where the Judge was on Fox kelly1mm Nov 2021 #25
Forty years ago though. Reagan started off as a Democrat too. brush Nov 2021 #21
He has run in two partisan races, both as a Democrat kelly1mm Nov 2021 #23
Yes, he does it in all of his trials. Sympthsical Nov 2021 #18
well, that's bizarre iemanja Nov 2021 #20
There are other words easily used Sympthsical Nov 2021 #24
Some of those fair guys are long ball hitters. Tomconroy Nov 2021 #31
It's standard Zeitghost Nov 2021 #29
Not so.... Meowmee Nov 2021 #27
I'd read that Sympthsical Nov 2021 #28
He was biased in favor of this defendant Meowmee Nov 2021 #30
That isn't evidence of the claim Sympthsical Nov 2021 #33
Iyo Meowmee Nov 2021 #35
You just keep asserting this bias without evidence Sympthsical Nov 2021 #36
You haven't provided evidence Meowmee Nov 2021 #38
Maybe you should google his wilkipedia entry. kelly1mm Nov 2021 #7
I'm supposed to apologize for calling the judge a liar? iemanja Nov 2021 #8
Yes. When presented with facts that contradict kelly1mm Nov 2021 #9
I do not aplogize iemanja Nov 2021 #12
Ok, you do you! You asserted it was a lie kelly1mm Nov 2021 #14
No, I did not iemanja Nov 2021 #16
Post removed Post removed Nov 2021 #32
Post removed Post removed Nov 2021 #39
Ok, lets break this down and 'assume' he lied kelly1mm Nov 2021 #17
Jesus, it's like frickin' Q-Anon groupies. Dr. Strange Nov 2021 #43
Please provide a link where the Judge was on kelly1mm Nov 2021 #26
I too am not convinced Schroeder was unfair. He was originally appointed by Dem governor. Hoyt Nov 2021 #3
He's been on that bench since 1984! The position is non-partisan. LeftInTX Nov 2021 #6
True. I read he has never had an opponent at the polls Deuxcents Nov 2021 #10
I live in what was once a very Republican area and stevebreeze Nov 2021 #41
The judge is an old white Dixiecrat radius777 Nov 2021 #34
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2021 #40
Schroeder could be the next Charles Krauthammer jcmaine72 Nov 2021 #37
Right after he gives Rittenhouse an Expert Marksman medal, and a box of .223 ammo to go with it. Paladin Nov 2021 #42

kelly1mm

(4,732 posts)
1. The Judge has run twice as a Democrat (once
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 12:56 AM
Nov 2021

For DA and once for WI state Senate). I would doubt most Democrats would seek positions on Fox News.

iemanja

(53,026 posts)
2. That's obviously a lie
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 12:59 AM
Nov 2021

He can't be a Democrat. He must have lied on his filing papers because a Rep has a harder time winning in his area.

Note, I'm calling the judge a liar, not the poster.

onenote

(42,661 posts)
4. It's not a lie. But it also occurred forty years ago. And thus irrelevant.
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 01:03 AM
Nov 2021

He's in his late 70s. The idea that he's going to sign on with Fox News is ludicrous.

iemanja

(53,026 posts)
5. Is there anything in how he ran that trial that says
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 01:05 AM
Nov 2021

Democrat to you? He was on Fox News tonight, according to another poster.

Sympthsical

(9,066 posts)
11. He has a long history of being pro-defendant's rights
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 01:15 AM
Nov 2021

Which is a fairly liberal thing, imo.

People are confusing old school with right-winger. He's old school and conservative in that way people his age often are.

But it doesn't mean he's a right-wing Trumpist. People started making that all up once they realized the trial was not going to go the way they wanted.

iemanja

(53,026 posts)
13. He wouldn't let the lawyers refer to the victims as victims.
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 01:20 AM
Nov 2021

They were supposed to call them rioters and looters. Does he do that in all his trials, or only for White Supremacists?

iemanja

(53,026 posts)
19. He CLAIMED to be a Democrat
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 01:31 AM
Nov 2021

That doesn't mean he was one or, more pertinently, is one now. Maybe he was ideologically aligned with Dixiecrats, since it was 40 years ago. What aversion do you think people that ascribe to such beliefs today have to Fox News?

You invoked that as a so-called reason why he would never "seek a position" on Fox News, when the man appeared on Tucker Carlson's show tonight. You assumed, without any evidentiary basis, that he is somehow liberal or progressive, when nothing in his behavior points to that. The question in the OP is about Fox News after all.

kelly1mm

(4,732 posts)
22. Both President Obama and President Biden
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 01:36 AM
Nov 2021

Have been on Fox News. Are they now seeking a paid position on the channel? Any link to any evidence this Judge is seeking a position on Fox News? I would be HAPPY (unlike you) to admit I was wrong and apologize for my assertions. I eagerly await your links …..

kelly1mm

(4,732 posts)
25. Please provide a link where the Judge was on Fox
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 02:02 AM
Nov 2021

News. I will HAPPILY admit my error if he was on Fox News!

kelly1mm

(4,732 posts)
23. He has run in two partisan races, both as a Democrat
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 01:40 AM
Nov 2021

That was my only assertion. If you have evidence to the contrary I am all ears!

Sympthsical

(9,066 posts)
18. Yes, he does it in all of his trials.
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 01:28 AM
Nov 2021

This joins the other billion things in this case that fall under the category of, "Information readily known if people would have simply attempted to seek it out." It gets repeated and repeated, then answered and answered, and then repeated again no matter how many times it is corrected.

He makes it a regular practice for people not to be referred as "victims" in self-defense cases, because he believes the term is prejudicial against defendants. He has done it many, many times. It was not Rittenhouse specific.

Do you see why I think people should be pissed at the media here? They made a huge deal out of something that was common practice with him. They actively misinformed you. You should be furious at them instead of the judge. Getting people all riled up at the judge was the object of the exercise.

At this juncture, I'd say it worked a peach.

Sympthsical

(9,066 posts)
24. There are other words easily used
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 01:57 AM
Nov 2021

I believe the one I heard most often during the trial was decedent.

I read a few profiles about the judge, and people who've had cases before him all said he is very protective of defendant's rights in court. Which explains why he blew a gasket over the 5th Amendment stuff and attempts to sneak in inadmissible evidence.

But it was also said he sentences firmly. One saying I read was, "You want him as a defendant during trial, but you never want him to sentence you."

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
27. Not so....
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 02:58 AM
Nov 2021

“Schroeder has been the subject of controversy during his judicial career. In 1987, he received attention for his order requiring HIV/AIDS testing for convicted prostitutes.[16] He developed a reputation for being tough on defendants in court and in sentencing. As a result, hundreds of defendants assigned to his court have requested to be transferred to another judge.[17]“

Sympthsical

(9,066 posts)
28. I'd read that
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 03:11 AM
Nov 2021

You actually just reminded me that I meant to look up the sex worker thing.

He has a reputation for being very harsh on sentencing. Very very. Which I noted.

But I've read that he has a thing about defendent's rights. Maybe I'm characterizing it that way. I read these articles last week. But it was agreed he takes the idea of a fair trial very seriously.

I didn't see anything during this trial that would lead me to believe otherwise.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
30. He was biased in favor of this defendant
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 03:16 AM
Nov 2021

But he has a reputation apparently of being so harsh on defendants not just in sentencing but during the trial that “ hundreds” have requested another judge. Yet KR nor his lawyers did request not another judge.

Sympthsical

(9,066 posts)
33. That isn't evidence of the claim
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 03:26 AM
Nov 2021

When the prosecution violated the 5th and 6th Amendments in addition to trying to sneak in evidence ruled inadmissible, those were three huge honking reasons the judge could've used to fling the whole case out the window.

He didn't.

When the prosecution wanted to submit blurry drone footage that their entire case then rested upon after their witnesses exploded in their face, the judge allowed it despite lengthy and strenuous objections by the defense. Had the drone footage enhancement been disallowed, the prosecution would've had no case whatsoever.

I have reasons - strong ones, I think - to believe the judge was not biased during this trial.

I have yet to see very convincing ones in the other direction.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
35. Iyo
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 03:45 AM
Nov 2021

But actually he was very obviously biased in favor of this defendant. It would be interesting to see which defendants have requested another judge and what has happened in the past trials that caused these requests. In addition to the obvious bias he is so obviously out of control and unprofessional that it is apparent to many that his demeanor alone puts everything he does into question.

Sympthsical

(9,066 posts)
36. You just keep asserting this bias without evidence
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 04:18 AM
Nov 2021

I've given my opinion and supplied the facts on which it is based. Clear facts pertaining to this case.

"He was very obviously biased."

Ok. What's your evidence?

I've provided mine.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
38. You haven't provided evidence
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 06:27 AM
Nov 2021

You provide your interpretation. And you left out the “fact” that he is apparently actually usually very harsh on defendants and you said the exact opposite. He is harsh on some defendants, so much so that they know this in advance and 100s have asked for a different judge. But not KR or his lawyers who he bent over backwards to help.

iemanja

(53,026 posts)
8. I'm supposed to apologize for calling the judge a liar?
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 01:09 AM
Nov 2021

perhaps I should have just said he was a Klansman.

kelly1mm

(4,732 posts)
9. Yes. When presented with facts that contradict
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 01:13 AM
Nov 2021

Your assertion your should apologize for your incorrect assertion and move on.

iemanja

(53,026 posts)
12. I do not aplogize
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 01:18 AM
Nov 2021

It's hardly unprecedented for political candidates to run under a party they don't align with politically. It happens all the time in areas where, for example, Republicans can't get elected. How do you know that wasn't the case with this judge?

If you think it so preposterous that he would sign with Fox News, why did he go on Tucker Carlson's show tonight? Is that something a good Democrat would do, to celebrate his helping a man get away with two counts of murder?

Frankly, I find your determination to defend that judge's character, when he clearly has none, to be offensive.

kelly1mm

(4,732 posts)
14. Ok, you do you! You asserted it was a lie
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 01:23 AM
Nov 2021

That he ran as a Democrat twice. The facts say he did. You can continue to live in your fantasy world but I am moving on.

iemanja

(53,026 posts)
16. No, I did not
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 01:25 AM
Nov 2021

I said the judge likely lied on his paperwork. I didn't say that you were telling a lie. Meanwhile, you ignore the fact he went on Fox news tonight.

Response to iemanja (Reply #16)

Response to iemanja (Reply #16)

kelly1mm

(4,732 posts)
17. Ok, lets break this down and 'assume' he lied
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 01:28 AM
Nov 2021

On his paperwork, did he nonetheless run as a Democrat? If so your assertion was factually incorrect.

Dr. Strange

(25,917 posts)
43. Jesus, it's like frickin' Q-Anon groupies.
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 06:20 PM
Nov 2021

He was appointed by a Democrat and he's always run as a Democrat. Why are people creating conspiracy theories for this?

kelly1mm

(4,732 posts)
26. Please provide a link where the Judge was on
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 02:04 AM
Nov 2021

Fox News tonight. I don’t watch that channel so I don’t know.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. I too am not convinced Schroeder was unfair. He was originally appointed by Dem governor.
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 01:03 AM
Nov 2021

Rittenhouse should have been convicted of something significant. The lawmakers who allowed that pissant to swagger down the street with a rifle around his neck, should too.

Deuxcents

(16,156 posts)
10. True. I read he has never had an opponent at the polls
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 01:14 AM
Nov 2021

He definitely needs to be reviewed for a few job performances

stevebreeze

(1,877 posts)
41. I live in what was once a very Republican area and
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 03:09 PM
Nov 2021

There are many here who have rune as an "R" that are very Democratic leaning.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
34. The judge is an old white Dixiecrat
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 03:32 AM
Nov 2021

who would be perfect on Fox News, ie there to complain about 'wokeness' and all of those 'colored people' wanting justice and stuff.

If Rittenhouse was black or brown we all know how the case would've gone. If Rittenhouse was a white anti-racist protester (such as one of the victims) we also know how that would've gone.

The system is built on the 'algorithm' of white supremacy and spits out predictable results.

Response to radius777 (Reply #34)

jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
37. Schroeder could be the next Charles Krauthammer
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 04:52 AM
Nov 2021

Only with a paralyzed sense of decency, justice and humanity instead of paralyzed legs.

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