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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDem turnout was at record highs in the last round of elections. So was the opposition's
...that signals Democrats will need to turn out even more voters in the next round.
The upcoming midterms are dominated by one confounding political dynamic: the party out-of-power will show up in large numbers to try and reverse the previous loss. All midterm elections favor 'anti' vote, and energizes voters looking to stick it to the opposition.
Conversely, the folks who just won and have their pols in office don't have the same energy, especially if they're mostly satisfied with the president and legislators they just elected. There's just not as much steam to generate among them as you would in a sour grapes voter.
Democrats will be challenged to draw more voters to the party in the midterms, and the most consequential parameters of that challenge lie in the dynamics of either advocating for more (progressivism), or moderating those appeals (centrism) to mollify or improbably appeal to republican or conservative voters.
President Biden and the Democratic leadership put forward a broad and ambitious legislative agenda which has been steadily advancing; infrastructure bill passed, and BBB on the way. The opportunity remaining to both further advance the Democratic agenda and elect more Democrats is neatly embedded in what's yet to be accomplished.
Progressive Democrats will unquestionably press for more progress on issues like voting rights, immigration reform, climate change, justice reform, affordable education and healthcare.
Decidedly more 'moderate' Democrats will press the party to limit these initiatives as a political strategy, in favor of interests other than progressive change. Issues like taxing the wealthy to pay for social spending, limiting moneyed influences on our elections, protecting voting rights, and lowering the costs of medicine, are all subject to resistance from moderate Democrats looking to limit or stifle those progressive initiatives.
Will voters be more compelled to come to the polls because Democrats are progressing in what we've promised voters, or will they be motivated to the polls by Democrats moderating or limiting President Biden's and our Democratic leadership's agenda, as recalcitrant Dems like Manchin and Sinema have done throughout?
Or, will it have little to do with legislative initiatives, at all? While Democrats make steady progress for Americans, will demagoguery about what we're trying to accomplish rule the day?
Whatever the direction of the midterms, we'd likely better get cracking on enacting the things we say we want, because anything still in the air can be easily argued down and dismissed in an election. Better to stand behind what we've done, than what we're promising we'll someday accomplish.
Scrivener7
(50,935 posts)Emails cost nothing, and these points need to be widely understood.
I am not on twitter or Facebook. Is there a presence in either of those saying these things? That costs nothing too.
And simple polling of Democrats will answer your questions about which strategy will win the most votes in the midterms. That's not hard either.
FBaggins
(26,727 posts)Going too far left will cost us in the election but the current partisan split in congress makes it likely that anything we dont pass now - will not be enacted for years.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)FBaggins
(26,727 posts)Would love to be a fly on the wall for that conversation: "We want to tell him 'You can best help us win by shutting up and staying as far away as possible' but we can't upset him and have him discourage his base from showing up"
brooklynite
(94,489 posts)We won Republican House seats in 2018 by getting moderate Independents and Republicans to vote for us in competitive suburban districts. We LOST Democratic House seats in 2020 because moderate Independents and Republicans voted for Biden but then voting Republicans down-ticket.
bigtree
(85,986 posts)...there isn't such a thing as a republican moderate to appeal to anymore.
That distinction died with McCain, as useless as he was to the Democratic vote.
And let's look at what that appeal would be. There isn't actually any 'pro' initiative coming out of the moderate wing of the Democratic party. All their agenda is actually about is limiting or killing progressive initiatives, which is essentially republican turf.
That strategy has no bottom other than the stifling of the Democratic agenda. You're not going to draw out Democratic voters promising to do less, and you're not going to beat republicans at that cynical game. Ask Terry McAuliffe how that worked out.
Elessar Zappa
(13,952 posts)we attract these so-called moderates?
brooklynite
(94,489 posts)...and might have had more impact if progressives hadn't held up the House vote.
Elessar Zappa
(13,952 posts)Well see in a year if the two infrastructure bills help us. I think it will but not because it will attract Republicans.
bigtree
(85,986 posts)...it's just not going to happen.
The idea is absolutely absurd.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)Election? Not hurt? - thats absurd.
Take on our President, for 'other' priorities?
bigtree
(85,986 posts)...but I don't really care to go over it again. Don't really care to be sea lioned into a debate over nothing.
Claiming that delay hurt any election effort is sophistry. No one decided their vote because of that, and I challenge anyone to find ONE voter who made their election choice over that delay. It's just absurd on its face.
What's even more absurd is even having the temerity to blame progressives for meddling by two Democratic senators who dragged the progress out hoping to score political points over reneging on promises to House Democrats. Promises which have YET to materialize into Manchin getting out of the way of BBB. No wonder they didn't trust him.
No one had to experience ANY delay without the seemingly endless meddling of the senator from WVa. Those bills would have been passed MONTHS ago without his meddling and objections.
NOT ONE progressive stood in the way of passage of the infrastructure bill or BBB- working with the Speaker to ensure any protest vote was inconsequential to passage - so all of the nonsense about the delay is just political hogwash.
You want my take on any another issue? Read my posts.