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Chin music

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The nation has never been the same. Kid Berwyn Nov 2021 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #3
Today Joe's heading straight into Cawthorn country with all its black flags. ancianita Nov 2021 #22
Agreed Mr. Steve Nov 2021 #20
The decade of assassinations began.These days I bet the current GOP would be celebrating this murde Walleye Nov 2021 #2
Believe me Republicans did celebrate the JFK murder, people in government doc03 Nov 2021 #5
So did I. But at least they kept the quiet part quiet in those days Walleye Nov 2021 #6
My mother told how she learned that FDR died. She was walking by a neighbors house doc03 Nov 2021 #8
Wow. Yes I know FDR was hated by some. Never thought about them rejoicing at his death Walleye Nov 2021 #9
On the 50th anniversary of the shooting Diamond_Dog Nov 2021 #10
My mother was happy. mnhtnbb Nov 2021 #14
That must have been awful! electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #27
The Q people actually like JFK Polybius Nov 2021 #36
How time flies. I was in 6th period Biology class when it was announced over the doc03 Nov 2021 #4
Same here I remember it very well. I was between classes Walleye Nov 2021 #7
Yep so true. Diamond_Dog Nov 2021 #11
I mark that as the end of my childhood. From a sheltered life, believing the the best about America, SharonAnn Nov 2021 #12
I remember. Croney Nov 2021 #13
The MAGA crowd has always been there but doc03 Nov 2021 #16
Must have been a local custom. marybourg Nov 2021 #17
No it was common then and Google says it still is. Croney Nov 2021 #33
I got married in '62, as did most of my friends marybourg Nov 2021 #34
The Kennedy WH also sent out thank you notes to all those Deminpenn Nov 2021 #39
So does anyone think we'll figure out who was behind the JFK murder? Calista241 Nov 2021 #15
Post removed Post removed Nov 2021 #19
Read Colin McLaren's book, "The Smoking Gun". lastlib Nov 2021 #24
It was the Mafia PhylliPretzel Nov 2021 #32
I was in class sophmore year. leftyladyfrommo Nov 2021 #18
Things have go to hell since.... Historic NY Nov 2021 #21
I was four, watching Bozo on WGN Chicago. Harker Nov 2021 #23
Walter Cronkite announcing the news. barbtries Nov 2021 #25
In Memoriam, JFK lastlib Nov 2021 #26
Amen. So horrific! 😔 electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #28
Seems like politics have only gotten worse. FoxNewsSucks Nov 2021 #29
Godspeed President Kennedy. Tommymac Nov 2021 #30
My entire elementary school watched Walter Cronkite in the auditorium. Marcuse Nov 2021 #31
I was 7 weeks old. maxsolomon Nov 2021 #35
I always shudder remembering the riderless horse and the drum beat question everything Nov 2021 #37
And I still remember that day vividly. I was in elementary school. Rhiannon12866 Nov 2021 #38
Also in elementary school Deminpenn Nov 2021 #40
Sounds like we had much the same experience Rhiannon12866 Nov 2021 #41
Back then, the typical family situation Deminpenn Nov 2021 #42
I remember... electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #44

Kid Berwyn

(24,395 posts)
1. The nation has never been the same.
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 09:04 AM
Nov 2021

We’ve gone from a place where anything was possible to one where money trumps peace.

Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #1)

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
22. Today Joe's heading straight into Cawthorn country with all its black flags.
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 11:01 AM
Nov 2021

Mr. Steve

(114 posts)
20. Agreed
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 10:55 AM
Nov 2021

Sadly, yes.

Walleye

(44,804 posts)
2. The decade of assassinations began.These days I bet the current GOP would be celebrating this murde
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 09:07 AM
Nov 2021

Sorry if that is harsh but that’s how I see it. After Paul Gosar and Marjorie Taylor Greene. Think they wouldn’t celebrate if one of our current leaders was killed?

doc03

(39,086 posts)
5. Believe me Republicans did celebrate the JFK murder, people in government
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 09:21 AM
Nov 2021

wouldn't do it in public but I heard many comments from our Republican neighbors.
They were the MAGAts of the time but they didn't have elected officials openly supporting them.

Walleye

(44,804 posts)
6. So did I. But at least they kept the quiet part quiet in those days
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 09:25 AM
Nov 2021

I remember Kennedy was the butt of a lot of jokes. All that stopped after the four day national funeral and muffled drums, the widow, the fatherless children. But I do think we are much more crass now

doc03

(39,086 posts)
8. My mother told how she learned that FDR died. She was walking by a neighbors house
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 09:34 AM
Nov 2021

and this women working in the yard asked her if she had heard that that SOB finally died.

Walleye

(44,804 posts)
9. Wow. Yes I know FDR was hated by some. Never thought about them rejoicing at his death
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 09:35 AM
Nov 2021

Diamond_Dog

(40,575 posts)
10. On the 50th anniversary of the shooting
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 09:43 AM
Nov 2021

We were here at my house, it was near Thanksgiving. My late brother-in-law sat in my living room and had the nerve to say out loud that JFK’s death didn’t bother him in the least because “I never liked the guy.” I was so shocked I didn’t know what to say. My sister sat there and said nothing. I finally worked up the sense to say, “C’mon Dave, if nothing else, he was our President and didn’t deserve to get murdered in the street in cold blood.” But Dave stuck to his guns that it was not that big a deal to him. Just mind boggling. Well I hope he liked LBJ who took Kennedy’s place. (I’m sure he did not)

mnhtnbb

(33,348 posts)
14. My mother was happy.
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 10:22 AM
Nov 2021

I grew up in a Republican household.

We heard the news at school over the speaker system in each classroom. Walked home in a daze. My mother's mother was visiting us from California. She and my mom were having tea in the kitchen. I walked in and asked them if they'd heard what happened. No, they hadn't. I told them, "President Kennedy has been assassinated." My mother responded, "It's about time." My grandmother gasped and said nothing.

It was at that point--I was 12--that I knew I never wanted to grow up to be like my mother. I was the only person in the house glued to the TV, watching everything, that weekend. The rest of my family--including my now Trump loving brother--had zero interest in what had happened.

electric_blue68

(26,856 posts)
27. That must have been awful!
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 11:37 AM
Nov 2021

Polybius

(21,900 posts)
36. The Q people actually like JFK
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 02:36 PM
Nov 2021

They think he was murdered by the insiders.

doc03

(39,086 posts)
4. How time flies. I was in 6th period Biology class when it was announced over the
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 09:17 AM
Nov 2021

intercom he had been shot then in 7th period Geometry class it was announced he had died.
I remember everyone being glued to the TV the entire Thanksgiving weekend. I saw Jack Ruby
shoot Oswald on live TV. It is no way like today but Republicans really hated JFK. JFK today would be
far too conservative for the majority of Democrats.

Walleye

(44,804 posts)
7. Same here I remember it very well. I was between classes
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 09:27 AM
Nov 2021

Junior high school, at the locker somebody said Kennedy had been shot, I thought they were joking around, soon found out otherwise. There had been a lot of political comedy around Kennedy that was stopped immediately. Actually today it’s just making me nostalgic for my family and all the people who loved me who are gone now

Diamond_Dog

(40,575 posts)
11. Yep so true.
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 09:44 AM
Nov 2021

SharonAnn

(14,173 posts)
12. I mark that as the end of my childhood. From a sheltered life, believing the the best about America,
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 10:00 AM
Nov 2021

To facing the unimaginable that something like that could happen here.

Croney

(5,017 posts)
13. I remember.
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 10:17 AM
Nov 2021

58 years ago, I was parked in front of Diebert, Bancroft & Ross in New Orleans, waiting to pick up my new husband from work, when the news came on the radio. We had just sent them a wedding invitation five months earlier (as was the custom back then) and gotten a congratulatory reply (which I still have). It was surreal.

doc03

(39,086 posts)
16. The MAGA crowd has always been there but
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 10:30 AM
Nov 2021

Trump has made it socially acceptable to come out of the closet in the Republican party.

marybourg

(13,640 posts)
17. Must have been a local custom.
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 10:37 AM
Nov 2021

Never heard of that in N.Y.

Croney

(5,017 posts)
33. No it was common then and Google says it still is.
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 12:06 PM
Nov 2021

I searched "sending wedding invitation to the President" and there are lots of links. Looks like The White House still sends preprinted cards from the President and First Lady.

I'll bet there aren't many from 1963 that are still around though.

marybourg

(13,640 posts)
34. I got married in '62, as did most of my friends
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 12:55 PM
Nov 2021

and acquaintances . Never heard of anyone doing that. I guess just another way N.Y. is different. But I never even read about it, and I’m a prolific reader. I guess it’s never too late to make new discoveries in the realm of human behavior.

Deminpenn

(17,506 posts)
39. The Kennedy WH also sent out thank you notes to all those
Tue Nov 23, 2021, 04:13 AM
Nov 2021

Americans who sent in cards expressing sympathy and condolences on the loss of their unborn son.

Calista241

(5,633 posts)
15. So does anyone think we'll figure out who was behind the JFK murder?
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 10:26 AM
Nov 2021

Cause there's no way I believe it was Oswald just by himself on a whim.

Response to Calista241 (Reply #15)

lastlib

(28,264 posts)
24. Read Colin McLaren's book, "The Smoking Gun".
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 11:32 AM
Nov 2021

It convinced me that a Secret Service guy accidentally fired the fatal shot.

PhylliPretzel

(218 posts)
32. It was the Mafia
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 11:59 AM
Nov 2021

Read Ultimate Sacrifice and Legacy of Secrecy: The Long Shadow of the JFK Assassination by Lamar Waldron and Thom Hartmann.
Mafia members confirmed it while in prison. They were pissed that as Attorney General RFK was coming after them after years of being ignored to do their nefarious "business."

leftyladyfrommo

(20,005 posts)
18. I was in class sophmore year.
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 10:51 AM
Nov 2021

That was such a bad time. His wasn't the only assassination. They even tried to kill the pope.

There were a lot of right wingers around then, too. THE John Birch Society. The KKK. Everyone was after the commies. Feelings were running really hot.

Historic NY

(40,037 posts)
21. Things have go to hell since....
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 10:59 AM
Nov 2021

Harker

(17,784 posts)
23. I was four, watching Bozo on WGN Chicago.
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 11:08 AM
Nov 2021

When I told my mom, she said, "no, no, Harker, it was President Lincoln that was shot!"

Feels like yesterday, sometimes.

barbtries

(31,308 posts)
25. Walter Cronkite announcing the news.
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 11:35 AM
Nov 2021

?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

lastlib

(28,264 posts)
26. In Memoriam, JFK
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 11:36 AM
Nov 2021
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Requiescat In Pace, sir.

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electric_blue68

(26,856 posts)
28. Amen. So horrific! 😔
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 11:41 AM
Nov 2021

FoxNewsSucks

(11,704 posts)
29. Seems like politics have only gotten worse.
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 11:49 AM
Nov 2021

The attitude, divide, all just as bad and now it's far more out in the open.

With political crackpots actually in the House and Senate leading it.

Maybe it was my subconscious, since I hadn't been thinking about JFK or this anniversary. But a couple weeks ago I had a long stretch on a trip so I put the 11-22-63 miniseries on my tablet so I could watch the whole thing in one sitting.

Tommymac

(7,334 posts)
30. Godspeed President Kennedy.
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 11:49 AM
Nov 2021

Marcuse

(9,010 posts)
31. My entire elementary school watched Walter Cronkite in the auditorium.
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 11:56 AM
Nov 2021

Teachers were crying.

That weekend I and my best friend re-enacted Ruby shooting Oswald, rotating the roles and death throes.



maxsolomon

(38,720 posts)
35. I was 7 weeks old.
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 01:00 PM
Nov 2021

In the hospital recovering from hernia surgery. Or so they tell me; I don't remember it well.

question everything

(52,134 posts)
37. I always shudder remembering the riderless horse and the drum beat
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 05:58 PM
Nov 2021

during the funeral

Rhiannon12866

(255,525 posts)
38. And I still remember that day vividly. I was in elementary school.
Tue Nov 23, 2021, 03:49 AM
Nov 2021

My "reading group" was allowed to go to the school library on our own with the warning to walk in line, no running or talking in the hall. Turns out that "Coach," the gym teacher, had a free period and had turned on his radio - and heard that the president had been shot! He immediately headed for the nearest classroom, sixth grade teacher, told him - and that teacher, in turn, rushed to the school library and told the librarian - and that's when we heard!

So we all took right off, we knew this was serious, forgot all about not talking or running, ran all the way back to our classroom to tell our teacher - who, in turn, ran out to find out more. I don't remember hearing a lot more then, no TV in classrooms in those days (except when there was a space mission), but we were immediately sent home, remember sitting in the school gym, everybody was pretty scared, waiting for the school buses to arrive.

When we got home (my brother went to the same elementary school), my mother already knew, she'd been told by our closest neighbor who loved President Kennedy and was in hysterics. And my mother was pretty distraught and I knew she'd voted for Nixon. That's the way things were in those days, he was everybody's president.

And I remember that there was no school, this was a national tragedy, and the TV at my house was on all of the time. I remember seeing Lee Harvey Oswald getting shot on live TV and I went into the kitchen to tell my mother - who hung onto the counter and said she couldn't take any more.

We lost so much that day and are still learning exactly how much. The loss of both President Kennedy - and later his brother (my senator) who stood a good chance of being elected president - has changed the course of this country's history forever.

Deminpenn

(17,506 posts)
40. Also in elementary school
Tue Nov 23, 2021, 04:22 AM
Nov 2021

It was almost the end of the school day on the east coast. Can't recall if we were dismissed early, but remember it was a warm day, walking home from the bus stop and Mom meeting me at the front door. The TV was on and that's what we watched all day. Back then, the networks all went off from midnight until 6AM or so. My dad was at work, but I don't recall his reaction at all. I still have the magazines and newspapers my mom saved about the assassination and memorializing JFK.

Rhiannon12866

(255,525 posts)
41. Sounds like we had much the same experience
Tue Nov 23, 2021, 04:44 AM
Nov 2021

I also don't remember my Dad's reaction, but I'm sure he had one. I can picture him just lowering his head and shaking it, that's how he'd react to bad news when there were just no words. And I can remember than my (maternal) grandmother had that iconic portrait of President Kennedy on the wall in her living room. I wish I knew what happened to that.

Deminpenn

(17,506 posts)
42. Back then, the typical family situation
Tue Nov 23, 2021, 05:00 AM
Nov 2021

was the father working full time to support his family and the mother staying home. My dad was at work and didn't get home until around 5, but my parents read the newspapers, watched the news on TV and current events were always a topic of conversation especially when my grandparents came over after church for the big Sunday meal. (Pennsylvania had "blue laws" on the books then so nothing was open on Sundays.) My dad was stoic about things and worked a lot of hours. I guess I'm not surprised I don't remember his reaction.

electric_blue68

(26,856 posts)
43. I remember...
Tue Nov 23, 2021, 08:03 AM
Nov 2021

besides being 10 y/o in '63...
.
When RFK was our Senator in '68 he was going to march in the NYC Greek Independence Day Parade which is always held in April.

But as you know April can often still be pretty cold esp back then. So I decided not to go see him, thinking - 'I'll see him when he comes to NYC to campaign for the NYS Primary...'

😑😑😔😔😔


Oh, yeah, like we were the "Alternative Earth" that got split off from Earth Prime where JFK, MLK & RFK had all lived.
(I read a lot of SF 🙂 )

Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #38)

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