Armed Father-Daughter Duo Protect Anti-Rittenhouse Protesters

[orangecrush]

Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted of all charges last week, after the jury in his trial established that he acted in self-defense when he killed two and wounded one person during the Black Lives Matter protests in the summer of 2020.

The verdict polarized the American public, with liberals and Black Lives Matter activists claiming the young man got away with homicide due to the color of his skin.

Protesters upset over the acquittal marched in Kenosha, Wisconsin on Sunday -- taking care of their security was an armed father-daughter duo.


Armed with AR-15 rifles, father and daughter Erick and Jade Jordan were photographed marching alongside anti-Rittenhouse protesters.

"We just do security for different groups. We’re doing a favor for them," Erick Jordan told The New York Post.

Jordan explained that he has been training his daughter to use firearms since she was four, and let her hold a weapon when she turned 14.



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This is my town, my people. We don´t agree on a lot of things, but we fight, we argue, we agree to disagree and go home safe, alive. That´s real self-defense," he stressed.



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Armed security for protests.


It's getting crazier every day, my friends.

What a sad thing that this is necessary.

[WarGamer]

1. Too many guns.

[orangecrush]

4. The look on that young woman's face

Not a trace of anger.

Pure calm determination and strength.

I know that look, I saw it often in martial arts training halls over the course of a decade.

[WarGamer]

5. They actually said "Respect the KR Jury decision..."

I think they also believe in the concept of self-defense as written in the Law.

[orangecrush]

6. As Joe Biden said.

I understand the meaning of self defense.

As free people everywhere should.

The Dad summed it up nicely.

"This is my town, my people. We don´t agree on a lot of things, but we fight, we argue, we agree to disagree and go home safe, alive. That´s real self-defense," he stressed."

I call it basic respect.

[WarGamer]

7. Yup...

Although I do think that people need to realize they MAKE the laws in their own communities and State.

Work to change state firearm laws. Small changes. How about starting with "No firearms" at any protest/march/demonstration?

[orangecrush]

9. That would be great

And cause for celebration.

[calimary]

25. What if I don't?

I appreciate these two. But I don’t respect the jury’s decision. I think they got it completely wrong.

[WarGamer]

50. That's your right. People should respect the right of others to form opinions.

[Hoyt]

2. Get what they are doing, but it won't end well if people are armed at protests.

I still cannot understand any jurisdiction that allows people to walk down the street armed at a protest.

I’ve heard people claim that the way to get tough gun laws is for POC to show up with gunz. I suppose it’s a sad reflection on our country, but hope it comes true and some politicians get some guts.

[ShazzieB]

22. Indeed.

I still cannot understand any jurisdiction that allows people to walk down the street armed at a protest.

I can't either, and frankly, this story makes my blood run cold. All of the protests I've taken part in were 100% peaceful, and guns would have been totally out of place and would have struck a very sour note. This seems very strange to me.

I'm starting to wonder wtf is wrong with Wisconsin, that has such nutty laws that allow this. Wisconsin is practically in my backyard, and I've been there many times and never seen anyone toting a gun. I had NO idea their self-defense laws were such a mess.

[Hoyt]

42. Hope something gets done, but not counting on it.

[denbot]

51. POC showing up to protest WITH guns is how gun control started.

During the civil rights movement the Black Panthers started to protect the marchers while armed. There were gun control laws proposed almost instantly.

[inthewind21]

58. Most

Have no idea who the Black Panthers actually were, why they formed and what they hopes to accomplish.

[mitch96]

3. What concerns me is someone is gonna feel "threatened" and start shooting claiming...

Stand your ground for the killing... uff
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[LakeArenal]

11. That's going to happen anyway.

As long as “stand your ground” can be interpreted differently by different judges this type of thing will keep happening.

[happybird]

8. Guns have no place at any protest

Rittenhouse thought he was there to provide protection, too. Look how well that turned out.

[orangecrush]

10. Agree 100%

When that becomes law, liberals won't be target practice for lunatics, and security like this won't be needed.

[denbot]

52. He thought he could show up and shoot liberals and POC.

He was right in that respect.

[johnp3907]

12. Morons.

People need to just shove their stupid guns up their asses. Sideways.

[orangecrush]

13. I understand

Your frustration.

My first impulse was a knee jerk snark reply.

Then I remembered my manners.

Sorry.

[maxsolomon]

14. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

As said upthread, I get why they're doing it. I wish they wouldn't cede the argument to the American Gun Cult and RW Mitilias.

More guns is not the answer. There's already blood in the streets and 2024 is years away.

[inthewind21]

59. I completely understand why they feel the need

So what do you suggest, letting the nut jobs just continue to gun people down with impunity or should the rest of us give up our first amendment right and possibly our life as well to appease the fringes 2nd amendment right?

[maxsolomon]

70. non-violence used to be the answer

welcome to DU

[IronLionZion]

15. That photo might encourage conservatives to support gun control

People always believe themselves to be the good guys and others are the bad guys. Rittenhouse thought he was protecting something.

This is all very disappointing. These 2 might have a different outcome even if they don't shoot anyone.

[orangecrush]

20. Rittenhouse was imo

An undisciplined, untrained, disturbed child who managed to get his hands on a killing machine, with predictable results.

I don't believe that to be the case with this Father and Daughter.

It's a shame Rittenhouse didn't have such a Father, or Father figure in his life. This most likely would never have happened.

[bottomofthehill]

28. She is 16, what training could/does she have.

She is no different than rittenhouse. There is no zero none way that she belongs on the street with an assault rifle. Her father should be prosecuted for putting her in harms way, what a fucking moron.

[orangecrush]

45. Curious

Do high schools have ROTC programs?

I vaguely remember the "Delayed Entry Program" they tried to get me into, but I was definitely 4F in the early 70's...

[ShazzieB]

30. Not just a child. A brat.

Rottenhouse was an undisciplined, untrained, disturbed BRAT.

The definition of brat is "an ill-mannered, annoying child." (Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/brat ) I think it fits.

[Hoyt]

43. +1. Doesn't excuse a thing, but Rittenhouse is predictable from his background.

[BGBD]

68. I'm not sure how well trained

She can be standing there with her boot untied.

[catsudon]

47. well in virginia

that girl would qualify to be the lt. gov.

[hurple]

16. The real life Big Daddy and Hitgirl?

[EX500rider]

19. Man I love that movie

[hurple]

56. The movie is fun

The comics it's based on are brutal. In a good way.

[MustLoveBeagles]

17. I have mixed feelings about this

[orangecrush]

21. As do I.

And I respect that deeply.

[MustLoveBeagles]

33. I get what they're doing and why

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I just don't want it to make things worse. Plus I worry about their safety.

[orangecrush]

41. Understandable

All that tells me is that you are a decent, caring human being.

[MustLoveBeagles]

46. Aw thanks

I'm also not very good at proofreading. I'll fix my previous post.

[orangecrush]

48. Have a great night!

[MustLoveBeagles]

49. Goodnight orangecrush

[bottomofthehill]

18. Fucking Morons

I have been training my daughter ….. nitwit. This is no more amusing to me than Kyle the high school drop out running around playing security. It’s all fun and games until two people are shot dead…..

[bottomofthehill]

23. She is an untrained 16 year old walking around with a semi-automatic assault rifle

Her father is a fucking idiot putting his child in harms way. What a fucking asshat.

I would love to know what his qualifications are to train a 16 year old.

Fuck, we are just fucking failing as a society.

[orangecrush]

32. I don't know what his qualifications are

But I would probably be in the ballpark were I to guess.

I was trained in marksmanship at the local sportsman's club by the Army, as part of getting my hunting license.

They taught safe rifle handling, safety was the #1 lesson.

I was 12 years old.

I see a confident, responsible 16 year old serving her community.

I see a young woman who does not live in fear.

Her Dad did well.

[bottomofthehill]

35. And that is great to take your 16 year old deer hunting

But he is using her for Protest Security. Pretty big difference. Do you think they teach use of force at the old deer camp.

[orangecrush]

38. They taught me what a good sight picture looks like

And a human has no place in that picture.

I would guess that her Father is either a cop, and /or a firearms/combat specialist veteran, and likely a martial artist on top of that.

But, since I have no way of knowing (nor do you), all we can do is trade keystrokes in a battle of futility.

[orangecrush]

40. Goodnight, and Peace, my friend!

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[Azathoth]

77. At her next birthday, she can enlist in the army and carry a fully automatic rifle

Calm down.

[bottomofthehill]

80. Yes she can, after Uncle Sam spends a lot of time training her.

[Azathoth]

83. What makes you think she's "untrained"?

Frankly, in the photo she looks a lot more responsible and trained than Rittenhouse.

I have no knowledge one way or the other as to her actual training, but then I'm not the one making claims about it...

[bottomofthehill]

87. There is a reason Uncle Sam does not take 16 year olds and only 17 year olds who have graduated

From high school. They are not mature enough to make reasoned use of force decisions.

[orangecrush]

24. Sorry, I disagree.

They look nothing at all like "morons" to me, whatever that is.

Your use of antiquated mental health slurs is interesting, though.

[bottomofthehill]

29. Pro tip here

Tie your shoes when walking around with an assault rifle, you are less inclined to fall on your face and accidentally discharge your weapon.

[orangecrush]

36. Good tip

I have had my black boots come untied, especially with new strings.

Probably a good idea to lace them up completely, and triple knot them.

[Kaleva]

60. It's highly unlikely they are carrying assault rifles.

Those go for about $20 grand a piece or more and even if you can afford it and find one for sale, the background check can take months to complete.

One can tell just how much a person feels about a issue by how much effort they put into learning about it. One who doesn't know the basics clearly doesn't care.

[bottomofthehill]

64. This is going to be a bit long, gonna put a little effort into all that lernin stuff you speak of

The weapon does not need to be an automatic weapon to be an assault rifle, which could cost in the $20.000 dollar range but I am going to go with the definition of assault rifle as introduced in S. 736 on 3/11/21 and co-sponsored by over 25 Members of the US Senate. By the way, He is carrying a S&W15 Military and Police semi-automatic assault rifle as defined below. So ends the lesson.

(36) The term ‘semiautomatic assault weapon’ means any of the following, regardless of country of manufacture or caliber of ammunition accepted:

“(A) A semiautomatic rifle that—

“(i) has the capacity to utilize a magazine that is not a fixed magazine; and

“(ii) does have any 1 of the following:

“(I) A pistol grip.

“(II) A forward grip.

“(III) A folding, telescoping, or detachable stock, or is otherwise foldable or adjustable in a manner that operates to reduce the length, size, or any other dimension, or otherwise enhances the concealability, of the weapon.

“(IV) A grenade launcher.

“(V) A barrel shroud.

“(VI) A threaded barrel.

“(B) A semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, except for an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.

“(C) Any part, combination of parts, component, device, attachment, or accessory that is designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic firearm but not convert the semiautomatic firearm into a machinegun.

“(D) A semiautomatic pistol that—

“(i) has the capacity to utilize a magazine that is not a fixed magazine; and

“(ii) does have any 1 of the following:

“(I) A threaded barrel.

“(II) A second pistol grip.

“(III) A barrel shroud.

“(IV) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

“(V) A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.

“(VI) A manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when unloaded.

“(VII) A stabilizing brace or similar component.

“(E) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

“(F) A semiautomatic shotgun that—

“(i) does not have a fixed magazine; and

“(ii) does have any 1 of the following:

“(I) A folding, telescoping, or detachable stock.

“(II) A pistol grip or bird's head grip.

“(III) A fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 5 rounds.

“(IV) The ability to accept a detachable magazine.

“(V) A forward grip.

“(VI) A grenade launcher.

“(G) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

“(H) All of the following rifles, copies, duplicates, variants, or altered facsimiles with the capability of any such weapon thereof:

“(i) All AK types, including the following:

“(I) AK, AK47, AK47S, AK–74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, Rock River Arms LAR–47, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK–47, VEPR, WASR–10, and WUM.

“(II) IZHMASH Saiga AK.

“(III) MAADI AK47 and ARM.

“(IV) Norinco 56S, 56S2, 84S, and 86S.

“(V) Poly Technologies AK47 and AKS.

“(VI) SKS with a detachable magazine.

“(ii) All AR types, including the following:

“(I) AR–10.

“(II) AR–15.

“(III) Alexander Arms Overmatch Plus 16.

“(IV) Armalite M15 22LR Carbine.

“(V) Armalite M15–T.

“(VI) Barrett REC7.

“(VII) Beretta AR–70.

“(VIII) Black Rain Ordnance Recon Scout.

“(IX) Bushmaster ACR.

“(X) Bushmaster Carbon 15.

“(XI) Bushmaster MOE series.

“(XII) Bushmaster XM15.

“(XIII) Chiappa Firearms MFour rifles.

“(XIV) Colt Match Target rifles.

“(XV) CORE Rifle Systems CORE15 rifles.

“(XVI) Daniel Defense M4A1 rifles.

“(XVII) Devil Dog Arms 15 Series rifles.

“(XVIII) Diamondback DB15 rifles.

“(XIX) DoubleStar AR rifles.

“(XX) DPMS Tactical rifles.

“(XXI) DSA Inc. ZM–4 Carbine.

“(XXII) Heckler & Koch MR556.

“(XXIII) High Standard HSA–15 rifles.

“(XXIV) Jesse James Nomad AR–15 rifle.

“(XXV) Knight’s Armament SR–15.

“(XXVI) Lancer L15 rifles.

“(XXVII) MGI Hydra Series rifles.

“(XXVIII) Mossberg MMR Tactical rifles.

“(XXIX) Noreen Firearms BN 36 rifle.

“(XXX) Olympic Arms.

“(XXXI) POF USA P415.

“(XXXII) Precision Firearms AR rifles.

“(XXXIII) Remington R–15 rifles.

“(XXXIV) Rhino Arms AR rifles.

“(XXXV) Rock River Arms LAR–15.

“(XXXVI) Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles and MCX rifles.

“(XXXVII) Smith & Wesson M&P15 rifles.

“(XXXVIII) Stag Arms AR rifles.

“(XXXIX) Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 and AR–556 rifles.

“(XL) Uselton Arms Air-Lite M–4 rifles.

“(XLI) Windham Weaponry AR rifles.

“(XLII) WMD Guns Big Beast.

“(XLIII) Yankee Hill Machine Company, Inc. YHM–15 rifles.

“(iii) Barrett M107A1.

“(iv) Barrett M82A1.

“(v) Beretta CX4 Storm.

“(vi) Calico Liberty Series.

“(vii) CETME Sporter.

“(viii) Daewoo K–1, K–2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR 110C.

“(ix) Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstal FAL, LAR, 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1 Sporter, PS90, SCAR, and FS2000.

“(x) Feather Industries AT–9.

“(xi) Galil Model AR and Model ARM.

“(xii) Hi-Point Carbine.

“(xiii) HK–91, HK–93, HK–94, HK–PSG–1, and HK USC.

“(xiv) IWI TAVOR, Galil ACE rifle.

“(xv) Kel-Tec Sub-2000, SU–16, and RFB.

“(xvi) SIG AMT, SIG PE–57, Sig Sauer SG 550, Sig Sauer SG 551, and SIG MCX.

“(xvii) Springfield Armory SAR–48.

“(xviii) Steyr AUG.

“(xix) Sturm, Ruger & Co. Mini-14 Tactical Rifle M–14/20CF.

“(xx) All Thompson rifles, including the following:

“(I) Thompson M1SB.

“(II) Thompson T1100D.

“(III) Thompson T150D.

“(IV) Thompson T1B.

“(V) Thompson T1B100D.

“(VI) Thompson T1B50D.

“(VII) Thompson T1BSB.

“(VIII) Thompson T1–C.

“(IX) Thompson T1D.

“(X) Thompson T1SB.

“(XI) Thompson T5.

“(XII) Thompson T5100D.

“(XIII) Thompson TM1.

“(XIV) Thompson TM1C.

“(xxi) UMAREX UZI rifle.

“(xxii) UZI Mini Carbine, UZI Model A Carbine, and UZI Model B Carbine.

“(xxiii) Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78.

“(xxiv) Vector Arms UZI Type.

“(xxv) Weaver Arms Nighthawk.

“(xxvi) Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine.

“(I) All of the following pistols, copies, duplicates, variants, or altered facsimiles with the capability of any such weapon thereof:

“(i) All AK types, including the following:

“(I) Centurion 39 AK pistol.

“(II) CZ Scorpion pistol.

“(III) Draco AK–47 pistol.

“(IV) HCR AK–47 pistol.

“(V) IO Inc. Hellpup AK–47 pistol.

“(VI) Krinkov pistol.

“(VII) Mini Draco AK–47 pistol.

“(VIII) PAP M92 pistol.

“(IX) Yugo Krebs Krink pistol.

“(ii) All AR types, including the following:

“(I) American Spirit AR–15 pistol.

“(II) Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol.

“(III) Chiappa Firearms M4 Pistol GEN II.

“(IV) CORE Rifle Systems CORE15 Roscoe pistol.

“(V) Daniel Defense MK18 pistol.

“(VI) DoubleStar Corporation AR pistol.

“(VII) DPMS AR–15 pistol.

“(VIII) Jesse James Nomad AR–15 pistol.

“(IX) Olympic Arms AR–15 pistol.

“(X) Osprey Armament MK–18 pistol.

“(XI) POF USA AR pistols.

“(XII) Rock River Arms LAR 15 pistol.

“(XIII) Uselton Arms Air-Lite M–4 pistol.

“(iii) Calico pistols.

“(iv) DSA SA58 PKP FAL pistol.

“(v) Encom MP–9 and MP–45.

“(vi) Heckler & Koch model SP–89 pistol.

“(vii) Intratec AB–10, TEC–22 Scorpion, TEC–9, and TEC–DC9.

“(viii) IWI Galil Ace pistol, UZI PRO pistol.

“(ix) Kel-Tec PLR 16 pistol.

“(x) All MAC types, including the following:

“(I) MAC–10.

“(II) MAC–11.

“(III) Masterpiece Arms MPA A930 Mini Pistol, MPA460 Pistol, MPA Tactical Pistol, and MPA Mini Tactical Pistol.

“(IV) Military Armament Corp. Ingram M–11.

“(V) Velocity Arms VMAC.

“(xi) Sig Sauer P556 pistol.

“(xii) Sites Spectre.

“(xiii) All Thompson types, including the following:

“(I) Thompson TA510D.

“(II) Thompson TA5.

“(xiv) All UZI types, including Micro-UZI.

“(J) All of the following shotguns, copies, duplicates, variants, or altered facsimiles with the capability of any such weapon thereof:

“(i) DERYA Anakon MC–1980, Anakon SD12.

“(ii) Doruk Lethal shotguns.

“(iii) Franchi LAW–12 and SPAS 12.

“(iv) All IZHMASH Saiga 12 types, including the following:

“(I) IZHMASH Saiga 12.

“(II) IZHMASH Saiga 12S.

“(III) IZHMASH Saiga 12S EXP–01.

“(IV) IZHMASH Saiga 12K.

“(V) IZHMASH Saiga 12K–030.

“(VI) IZHMASH Saiga 12K–040 Taktika.

“(v) Streetsweeper.

“(vi) Striker 12.

“(K) All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms, including TNW M2HB and FN M2495.

“(L) Any combination of parts from which a firearm described in subparagraphs (A) through (K) can be assembled.

“(M) The frame or receiver of a rifle or shotgun described in subparagraph (A), (B), (C), (F), (G), (H), (J), or (K).

[bottomofthehill]

66. Little more on that dern lerin stuff....hard werk it is

Public Law 103-302 the so called Clinton crime bill took the first shot at defining assault weapons, and once again.....shockingly it defines semi-automatic assault weapons, looks pretty clear to me at this point, that they are clearly carrying assault rifles....

TITLE XI--FIREARMS

Subtitle A--Assault Weapons

SEC. 110101. SHORT TITLE.
This subtitle may be cited as the ‘Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act’.
SEC. 110102. RESTRICTION ON MANUFACTURE, TRANSFER, AND POSSESSION OF CERTAIN SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS.

(a) RESTRICTION- Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new subsection:
‘(v)(1) It shall be unlawful for a person to manufacture, transfer, or possess a semiautomatic assault weapon.
‘(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession or transfer of any semiautomatic assault weapon otherwise lawfully possessed under Federal law on the date of the enactment of this subsection.
‘(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to--
‘(A) any of the firearms, or replicas or duplicates of the firearms, specified in Appendix A to this section, as such firearms were manufactured on October 1, 1993;
‘(B) any firearm that--
‘(i) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action;
‘(ii) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or
‘(iii) is an antique firearm;
‘(C) any semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a detachable magazine that holds more than 5 rounds of ammunition; or
‘(D) any semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than 5 rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine.
The fact that a firearm is not listed in Appendix A shall not be construed to mean that paragraph (1) applies to such firearm. No firearm exempted by this subsection may be deleted from Appendix A so long as this subsection is in effect.
‘(4) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to--
‘(A) the manufacture for, transfer to, or possession by the United States or a department or agency of the United States or a State or a department, agency, or political subdivision of a State, or a transfer to or possession by a law enforcement officer employed by such an entity for purposes of law enforcement (whether on or off duty);
‘(B) the transfer to a licensee under title I of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 for purposes of establishing and maintaining an on-site physical protection system and security organization required by Federal law, or possession by an employee or contractor of such licensee on-site for such purposes or off-site for purposes of licensee-authorized training or transportation of nuclear materials;
‘(C) the possession, by an individual who is retired from service with a law enforcement agency and is not otherwise prohibited from receiving a firearm, of a semiautomatic assault weapon transferred to the individual by the agency upon such retirement; or
‘(D) the manufacture, transfer, or possession of a semiautomatic assault weapon by a licensed manufacturer or licensed importer for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Secretary.’.
(b) DEFINITION OF SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPON- Section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new paragraph:
‘(30) The term ‘semiautomatic assault weapon’ means--
‘(A) any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the firearms in any caliber, known as--
‘(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models);
‘(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;
‘(iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);
‘(iv) Colt AR-15;
‘(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
‘(vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
‘(vii) Steyr AUG;
‘(viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and
‘(ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;
‘(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--
‘(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
‘(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
‘(iii) a bayonet mount;
‘(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
‘(v) a grenade launcher;
‘(C) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--
‘(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
‘(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
‘(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;
‘(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and
‘(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; and
‘(D) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of--
‘(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
‘(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
‘(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and
‘(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine.’.

[Dial H For Hero]

67. Nowhere in the quoted text of the bill is the term "assault rifle" used.

[bottomofthehill]

72. looks pretty clear to me

(36) The term ‘semiautomatic assault weapon’ means any of the following, regardless of country of manufacture or caliber of ammunition accepted:

“(A) A semiautomatic rifle that—

“(i) has the capacity to utilize a magazine that is not a fixed magazine; and

“(ii) does have any 1 of the following:

“(I) A pistol grip.

“(II) A forward grip.

“(III) A folding, telescoping, or detachable stock, or is otherwise foldable or adjustable in a manner that operates to reduce the length, size, or any other dimension, or otherwise enhances the concealability, of the weapon.

“(IV) A grenade launcher.

“(V) A barrel shroud.

“(VI) A threaded barrel.

[Dial H For Hero]

73. Where is the term "assault rifle" used in that text?

The bill defines assault weapons, not assault rifles. As counterintuitive as it might seem to some, a rifle which is an assault weapon is not an assault rifle. The latter has a very specific definition (among other things, it has to be selective fire).

[bottomofthehill]

75. seriously, you are kidding me right, I cant call it an assault big bird. its clearly defined....

The weapons that the father and minor daughter duo are carrying are rifles, not pistols, not shotguns, rifles. They clearly fit the definition, you can call it something else, but as defined it is clearly an assault rifle.

A semiautomatic rifle that—

“(i) has the capacity to utilize a magazine that is not a fixed magazine; and

“(ii) does have any 1 of the following:

“(I) A pistol grip.

“(II) A forward grip.

“(III) A folding, telescoping, or detachable stock, or is otherwise foldable or adjustable in a manner that operates to reduce the length, size, or any other dimension, or otherwise enhances the concealability, of the weapon.

“(IV) A grenade launcher.

“(V) A barrel shroud.

“(VI) A threaded barrel.

[Dial H For Hero]

76. It's a rifle. It's a semiautomatic rifle. It's an assault weapon. It's not an assault rifle.

It right there in the bill. It's defining assault weapons, a very specific legal term.

TITLE XI--FIREARMS

Subtitle A--Assault Weapons

SEC. 110101. SHORT TITLE.
This subtitle may be cited as the ‘Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act’.
SEC. 110102. RESTRICTION ON MANUFACTURE, TRANSFER, AND POSSESSION OF CERTAIN SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS.

[bottomofthehill]

79. Ok, your are right, in my opinion they are not carrying rifles defined as assault weapons

Thus assault rifles, they are carrying assault dildows….

[Dial H For Hero]

81. Actually, they are carrying rifles which have been defined as assault weapons.

[Lucid Dreamer]

84. Dial... Your are so correct.

Every time I see a poster misuse the term Assault Rifle when referring to the mere legal invention of assault weapons I know I can discount their knowledge of the field completely.

You beat me to making that correction. And I'm glad you did. I could not have done it more effectively.

[SYFROYH]

26. I wish you the very best Erick and Jade Jordan.

[orangecrush]

39. ...

[raising2moredems]

27. Self defense BS

and so much for "backing the blue". Chickenhouse and others (whites) similarly situated get a free pass. Minorities and good cops will be yet another name of the wall of the 2nd amendment 'Merica nutcases hall of shame.

[orangecrush]

37. Ummm, you perhaps don't know this...

Joe Biden hunts, target shoots, and owns guns.






https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/01/biden-confirms-support-for-second-amendment-says-he-owns-two-shotguns

[Silent3]

31. I'm not crazy about this at all, but I do get some small bit of satisfaction...

...from white supremacist gun-humpers having to face seeing black people armed just like them.

That said, I'd much prefer that everyone deescalate.

[MustLoveBeagles]

34. +1

[Hoyt]

44. Yes. Deescalate is where it's at.

[Withywindle]

85. My feelings exactly.

I have mixed feelings. I wish there far far fewer guns, not more - but if there must be guns, I don't think it's right that racist RW fascist nuts should be the only ones who have them. I'm not going to tell people of the groups they target the most that they shouldn't be able to defend themselves.

[Celerity]

53. ...

[Hav]

54. Yeah sorry, I respect both sides for this example

and I have the same mixed feelings others have expressed. But a society that regards strolling through crowds like this as part of a normal life is deplorable.

[Celerity]

55. The 2nd Amendment is a national suicide pact.

It works against us in two main ways.

1. We could never win a shooting war against the RW without military aid. There are simply far more of the RW who are armed to the teeth than there are armed to the teeth people on our side.

2. If/when the white nationalist fascists try an coup, or, more likely, an auto-coup, they will be counting on millions, perhaps tens of millions of RWers to deploy out and smash up resistance.

Tens of millions of MAGAts and other RW white nationalist, fascist types, including many fundie xians, have been scientifically programmed (many for decades) to look at most all non RWers as deadly enemies now, enemies on so many multivariate levels, and enemies who potentially must be killed.

[orangecrush]

57. Ummmm....

No.

What you are describing is a fantasy.

The vast majority of Americans aren't going to give up their cellphones, cars and twinkies for any cause.

That you can bet on.

[Celerity]

78. No.

[inthewind21]

61. Where do you

Get your information? "There are simply far more of the RW who are armed to the teeth than there are armed to the teeth people on our side."

Assuming can prove fatal.

[SunImp]

63. They outgun us right now unfortunately

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/

Across all regions, gun ownership varies considerably between those who live in rural and urban areas, with rural dwellers far more likely than those who live in urban areas to say they own a gun. Overall, 46% of Americans who live in rural parts of the country own a gun, compared with 28% of those who live in the suburbs and 19% of those in urban areas.

Besides demographic differences, clear partisan divides emerge when it comes to gun ownership. Republicans and Republican-leaning independents are more than twice as likely as Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents to say they own a gun (44% vs. 20%). This partisan gap remains even after controlling for demographic differences.

[Celerity]

82. If you think the RW is not, on balance, far more armed, I have a great deal on a bridge for you.

Wonderful view of the Thames.

Super gunner's, the types with hundreds of firearms and thousands, maybe tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition are FAR more likely to be RWNJ's and are huge force multipliers as they can outfit so many who could rally to their cause but perhaps lack the weapons, especially certain types and also in sufficient numbers.

Even barring an rapid, all out, cataclysmic series of kinetic events, the 2nd Amendment is still a slower motion suicide pact. Gun violence (and also the mentality behind it) is so utterly endemic in the American ecosphere it is sickening.

[Vinca]

62. They're armed, we're armed. Can any good come of it? It's also very sad that a father

would put his young daughter in a position where she might find herself having to hurt someone. Rather than a new civil war, how about we get rid of a couple hundred million guns on the street instead?

[Elessar Zappa]

65. I get why they're doing it but

I can’t condone it. On the positive side, maybe this image of black people carrying guns will prompt right wingers to support gun control.

[bottomofthehill]

69. I dont get why they are doing it

you do not put a 16 year old child in an armed security roll. Her father should be arrested for child endangerment. If he chooses to play the fool so be it, but a 16 year old.....nope

[Elessar Zappa]

71. I didn't read it close enough.

I missed where the daughter was 16. Yeah, that’s pretty fucked up.

[pinkstarburst]

74. "Taking care of their security"

Protesters upset over the acquittal marched in Kenosha, Wisconsin on Sunday -- taking care of their security was an armed father-daughter duo.

Armed with AR-15 rifles, father and daughter Erick and Jade Jordan were photographed marching alongside anti-Rittenhouse protesters.

"We just do security for different groups. We’re doing a favor for them," Erick Jordan told The New York Post.

Yeah no. Them being AA doesn't somehow magically make this better or different. Kyle Rittenhouse also thought he was "taking care of their security" for Kenosha. Gaige Grosskreutz thought he was "taking care of their security" by showing up to work as a gun-wielding medic.

What we need is to have no guns at protests, not more people with weapons of war in the streets, especially 16 year olds.

[David__77]

86. Perhaps the problem is that there are two instead of 2,000.

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