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Tue Nov 23, 2021, 10:25 PM

 

Waukesha Massacre: As it happened per the criminal complaint

The vehicle then got to the intersection of East Main Street and NW Barstow Street, and it
appeared the brakes were activated. Office Butryn believed the vehicle was going to come to a
stop and attempt to make a right hand turn out of the parade route, onto NW Barstow Street.
However, the vehicle then appeared to rapidly accelerate, as Officer Butryn heard tires squeal.
The vehicle took an abrupt left turn into the crowd of parade participants. At this point, it was
clear to Officer Butryn that this was an intentional act to strike and hurt as many people as
possible
. Officer Butryn continued to run westbound on East Main Street, trailing the vehicle
and its path. He observed the vehicle appeared to be intentionally moving side to side, striking
multiple people, and bodies and objects were flying from the area of the vehicle. As Officer
Butryn got to the area of the Subway restaurant on East Main Street, Officer Butryn began to
encounter multiple casualties. Multiple people were pulling at him, saying that they needed
assistance with injured parties. Based on the on-going threat of the vehicle and the occupant,
Officer Butryn asked those assisting with the casualties as he passed, if they were breathing,
and advised them to stay with them and that ambulances were on the way. Officer Butryn
continued to chase after the vehicle on foot in order to stop the threat the driver posed.

Detective Casey spoke with Officer Scholten, who indicated he saw the Ford Escape traveling
southbound on West Main Street, approaching Wisconsin Avenue, running over people.
Officer Scholten shot at the vehicle three times, striking it three times.

Detective Trussoni spoke with multiple citizen witnesses who were present during the parade.
One witness indicated, “As I continued to watch the SUV, it continued to drive in a zig zag
motion. It was like the SUV was trying to avoid vehicles, not people. There was no attempt
made by the vehicle to stop, much less slow down.”


Detective Trussoni spoke with another witness who described the same zig zag driving pattern
by the SUV and the witness further indicated, he felt it was “a direct intent to hit as many
parade participants.”


Darrell E Brooks made the conscious decision to use his vehicle as a weapon to murder as many people as he could. He should've never been released and in a position to carry out his personal terrorist act.

https://www.waukeshacounty.gov/globalassets/circuit-courts/2021cf001848-comp7347101.pdf

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Reply Waukesha Massacre: As it happened per the criminal complaint (Original post)
Devil Child Nov 2021 OP
Ron Green Nov 2021 #1
radius777 Nov 2021 #2
Devil Child Nov 2021 #3
radius777 Nov 2021 #6
Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #45
Takket Nov 2021 #54
Dorian Gray Nov 2021 #80
Zeitghost Nov 2021 #4
radius777 Nov 2021 #7
Hoyt Nov 2021 #12
radius777 Nov 2021 #16
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Devil Child Nov 2021 #24
Hoyt Nov 2021 #28
Devil Child Nov 2021 #31
Hoyt Nov 2021 #34
OneGrassRoot Nov 2021 #41
haele Nov 2021 #63
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EX500rider Nov 2021 #67
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manicdem Nov 2021 #75
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Calculating Nov 2021 #66
MrsCoffee Nov 2021 #78
Dorian Gray Nov 2021 #81
BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #32
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Response to Devil Child (Original post)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 10:56 PM

1. What a dirt bag this guy is.

Community corrections in this case completely failed.

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Response to Devil Child (Original post)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 11:04 PM

2. From what I saw it looked like he was trying to avoid

many people that he easily could have hit, there is no proof he intentionally killed anyone. He could've been scared or angry (ie, road rage) and was simply driving fast and wanted to get through the street.

The 'rap sheet' he had, charges like 'loitering', 'disorderly conduct', 'marijuana possession' etc - seem like alot of petty charges that white people would never be charged with, that perhaps sent him on a downward spiral in society.

Whatever the case - hopefully he gets the same due process and 'benefit of the doubt' that Rittenhouse did... likely being black/poor he won't.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 11:12 PM

3. Enough "proofs" to charge him with 5 counts of intentional homicide

 

there is no proof he intentionally killed anyone. He could've been scared or angry (ie, road rage) and was simply driving fast and wanted to get through the street.


Count 1: FIRST DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE

The above-named defendant on or about Sunday, November 21, 2021, on Main Street, in the
City of Waukesha, Waukesha County, Wisconsin, did cause the death of VICTIM A, with intent
to kill that person, contrary to sec. 940.01(1)(a), 939.50(3)(a) Wis. Stats., a Class A Felony,
and upon conviction shall be sentenced to imprisonment for life.

Count 2: FIRST DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE

The above-named defendant on or about Sunday, November 21, 2021, on Main Street, in the
City of Waukesha, Waukesha County, Wisconsin, did cause the death of VICTIM B, with intent
to kill that person, contrary to sec. 940.01(1)(a), 939.50(3)(a) Wis. Stats., a Class A Felony,
and upon conviction shall be sentenced to imprisonment for life.

Count 3: FIRST DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE

The above-named defendant on or about Sunday, November 21, 2021, on Main Street, in the
City of Waukesha, Waukesha County, Wisconsin, did cause the death of VICTIM C, with intent
to kill that person, contrary to sec. 940.01(1)(a), 939.50(3)(a) Wis. Stats., a Class A Felony,
and upon conviction shall be sentenced to imprisonment for life.

Count 4: FIRST DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE

The above-named defendant on or about Sunday, November 21, 2021, on Main Street, in the
City of Waukesha, Waukesha County, Wisconsin, did cause the death of VICTIM D, with intent
to kill that person, contrary to sec. 940.01(1)(a), 939.50(3)(a) Wis. Stats., a Class A Felony,
and upon conviction shall be sentenced to imprisonment for life.

Count 5: FIRST DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE

The above-named defendant on or about Sunday, November 21, 2021, on Main Street, in the
City of Waukesha, Waukesha County, Wisconsin, did cause the death of VICTIM E, with intent
to kill that person, contrary to sec. 940.01(1)(a), 939.50(3)(a) Wis. Stats., a Class A Felony,
and upon conviction shall be sentenced to imprisonment for life.

Such a hero for "only" killing 6 and wounding 60.

Deliberate act of lone-wolf terrorism.

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 11:19 PM

6. As the cops/authorities/DA sees it, through

a racist prism which sees any black/brown person as a criminal but will give white terrorists like Rittenhouse the benefit of the doubt.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 09:03 AM

45. He did intentionally run into people thus

Killing them. He needs to have a fair trial and if found guilty then he needs to go prison for life.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 02:31 PM

54. believe it or not sometimes a black person is actually a criminal and not the victim of racism.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 08:04 AM

80. This guy

ran over his child's mother at the beginning of november. Not exactly a petty crime.


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Response to radius777 (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 11:17 PM

4. "there is no proof he intentionally killed anyone. "

Please, stop.

And why leave out the sex crimes, gun charges, strangulation and battery charges and try to dismiss it all as loitering and marijuana?


There is no excuse for what was done and no excuse for this criminal to be out on $1000 bail.

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Response to Zeitghost (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 11:20 PM

7. The point is, there are alot of weak 'crimes' in his 'rap sheet'

that whites would not be charged with, that could've sent him on a downward spiral to committing other crimes. Once a person gets trapped in the system it's hard to get out.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 11:33 PM

12. I get what may have contributed to this and he was likely scared. But,

 

he needs to charged and prosecuted.

I don’t think a jury selected from his family would acquit him. It’s sad for everyone including the driver.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 11:39 PM

16. He's not guilty of intentional homicide,

maybe something like manslaughter.

The fact that there are dead bodies does not make it murder. If Rittenhouse got the benefit of the doubt (when he clearly was a terrorist and murderer) then so should this guy (of course we know he won't, being black and poor).

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Response to radius777 (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 11:45 PM

20. Not sure how it's defined, but no he didn't "intentionally" drive to that street

 

to run over people. Agree.

Don’t think it will make a difference in sentence.

Look, I understand societal failures produce most things like this.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 11:52 PM

24. He most certainly intentionally drove into the parade Hoyt

 

At approximately 4:35 p.m., Detective Casey heard via the Waukesha police radio that a
reserve officer was informed by a citizen that two people were fighting in the area of White
Rock School. Squads were sent to that area to further investigate. A few minutes later,
Detective Casey heard a horn honking from an area north of his location. Detective Casey
went out onto White Rock Avenue to see where the horn sound was coming from. He
observed that White Rock Avenue was filled with parade participants, as was East Main Street.
He began to see people spreading apart and observed a red Ford Escape driving southbound
on White Rock Avenue. He observed people jumping out of the way of the red Ford Escape.
As the Ford Escape was at White Rock Avenue and East Main Street, Detective Casey
stepped in front of the Ford Escape and pounded on the hood of the vehicle and yelled
multiple times, “Stop.” Detective Casey was wearing a shirt with patches on both shoulders
that stated, “Waukesha Police”, as well as wearing a black hat with white letters on the front of
the hat which stated “Police”. Further, he was wearing a neon orange safety vest that stated
“Police” on the front and back of it.

The Ford Escape continued driving and turned westbound on East Main Street. At that time,
the vehicle was driving at a slow speed and the vehicle brushed Detective Casey back off of
the front of the car, causing him to be positioned down the driver’s side of the vehicle.
Detective Casey went to the driver’s side window and pounded on the driver’s side door
yelling, “Stop”. Detective Casey subsequently positively identified the driver of the Ford
Escape as Darrell E. Brooks, Jr., DOB: 2/21/82, hereinafter referred to as the defendant. The
defendant drove past Detective Casey and into the parade procession.
Detective Casey
chased the vehicle to East Avenue on foot and he observed the vehicle begin to drive faster.
Detective Casey broadcast over the radio that the red Ford Escape had entered the parade
route and he needed squads to respond in an emergency fashion. A few seconds later,
Detective Casey heard on the police radio that the vehicle was striking people and was
continuing westbound on East Main Street.

While the defendant was driving westbound on East Main Street, he struck numerous
pedestrians, which included both parade participants and spectators located on the side of the
street.


It will make a difference in his sentence, as it should when one is charged with 5 counts of intentional homicide. Make that 6 for the newly deceased child.

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #24)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 12:05 AM

28. He's going down for my lifetime, no matter how they charge him.

 

DC, he could have stopped that car at anytime. That first child he passed freaked me out. But, I also get some disagreement in characterization of “international.”

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #28)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 12:10 AM

31. Agreed on stopping car at anytime, he had continued opportunity to cease yet didn't

 

I think in a split second something changed in him and he formulated his plan then executed it. As one poster commented on, premeditation can happen in an instant. He will be away for hopefully the rest of his life and wishing you a long and healthy one. Peace, sorry for any snap I may bring as this case has really hit home. Former trauma worker in a pediatric emergency department.

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 12:17 AM

34. We're cool. Kudos for trauma work.

 

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 07:31 AM

41. I asked about the legalities of premeditation...

Thanks to you and the other poster (will go to that post now) for explaining that, legally, it can be considered instantaneous. No doubt in my mind that he did set out, at least when he made that left turn onto the parade route, to strike and harm as many people as possible. I'm sure his lawyers will argue about his state of mind in that moment. I'm also certain justice will prevail and he will be held accountable; that's the difference when the defendant is a POC vs white.

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Reply #41)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 03:41 PM

63. May not be premeditation. He was already in a heightened emotional state and snapped badly.

I've seen it a couple times when guys that have self-control issues get into an escalated state before when I worked shipyards. At a certain point in the situation, each guy snapped - just wanted to burn it all down and take as many people out with them as they could. They basically went feral; tearing down scaffolding, cable runs, pounding on equipment, throwing tools, fire extinguishers, and light machinery, opening valves, turning over liquid containers...being as carelessly dangerous as they can to cause as much damage as they can.
Ever have to jump behind metal rack to avoid a CO2 fire extinguisher after some idiot got pissed and hit the top off the extinguisher with a fire axe? The extinguisher ended up crushing his skull and broke the back of my welder who couldn't get out of the way quick enough. All because of a disciplinary discussion his lead had with him a couple minutes earlier a few spaces away. The guy just snapped, saw everything in a haze of rage.

Of course,.this commentary is based on my experiance, and may be totally wrong in this case.

Haele

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Response to haele (Reply #63)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 04:08 PM

64. Damn. Sorry you had to deal with that. n/t

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Reply #41)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 06:01 PM

67. "he will be held accountable; that's the difference when the defendant is a POC vs white."

There are 436,500 white people in prison.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #67)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 07:34 PM

71. If you're going to frequent this site...

and are sincere about your intentions here, you should educate yourself about racial disparities in how "justice" is applied in the US. Not my job and I won't take the bait.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #28)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 04:54 AM

75. It was intentional

It's common knowledge that running over someone with a car can cause death. And he had plenty of time to stop the car before running into the parade. So evidence is it was intentional.

A defense could be he was scared and hit the accelerator instead of the brake making it manslaughter or lesser charge. But it's hard to defend accelerating through the entire parade.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 09:04 AM

46. That is nonsenses. Clearly. It was intentional murder.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 05:53 PM

66. You've got to be joking

This is nothing like Rittenhouse. Arguable Self defense vs an absolute monster who intentionally ran through a Christmas parade after abusing his girlfriend.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 06:37 AM

78. Oh for fuck's sake.

Just because one murderous asshole got away with it, doesn’t mean everyone gets a free pass.

This is obviously an emotional response, not a logical one.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 08:05 AM

81. There are also

a lot of really fucking depraved crimes.

Which you glossed over to make a narrative.

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Response to Zeitghost (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 12:12 AM

32. Thank you.

Can’t believe some of what I’ve read here.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 11:19 PM

5. he is a non-compliant convicted sex offender in Nevada

who jumped bail after he was arrested for failing to comply with the terms of his probation

for that reason there has been an active arrest warrant out on him for years

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Response to rollin74 (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 11:53 PM

25. It is disturbing and disappointing to see the lack of

Attention and concern expressed about his violent crimes of IPV. It's an ignorant, uninformed position that once again fails to acknowledge the strong relationship between IPV and mass causality events.

If we're going to cherry pick crimes, those are the ones that speak the loudest. Minimizing any of his criminal acts, doesn't illuminate the right to due process.

This guy was a murderer in the making no matter what his ethnicity. I'd bet money he's a psychopath, too.

Also, being "poor" isn't a valid mitigating factor. It never justifies muddling the process in the pursuit of justice and it doesn't mean that you are doomed to evil or blessed as good.

His IPV history and his nonchalance about his crimes, that I observed while watching his videos, are all that I need to know about him.

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 12:42 AM

36. This.

+1000

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 01:12 AM

37. ❤ nt

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 06:10 AM

77. Quotables:

"Minimizing any of his criminal acts, doesn't illuminate the right to due process."

"Being "poor isn't a valid mitigating factor. It never justifies muddling the process in the pursuit of justice and it doesn't mean that you are doomed to evil or blessed as good."

Excellent. Thank you very much.

That's the point I've been trying to make that you've done so well here. We shouldn't dismiss or minimize violent crimes no matter the perpetrator; yet when it's not a white person, we can almost always be certain that the the person will be held accountable. We don't have that certainty when the perpetrator is white (or wealthy).






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Response to OneGrassRoot (Reply #77)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 02:05 PM

82. ❤ nt

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Response to radius777 (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 11:48 PM

22. He never stopped. Scared, angry, whatever. He murdered people.


If he wanted to "avoid many people that he could have easily hit", he would have stopped. Period.

We shall see what kind of bullshit defense gets mounted.

Don't think of that killer. Think of those lost.

Now, a 6th person has died. An 8 year old boy.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Reply #22)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 11:49 PM

23. It's not murder if it wasn't intentional.

Just as Rittenhouse claimed he was 'scared', so too can this guy.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 12:04 AM

27. Another witty commentator who liked to weave Rittenhouse jokes into the Waukesha Massacre

 

Twitter comment linking Waukesha tragedy and Kyle Rittenhouse verdict costs DuPage County Democratic Party social media director Mary Lemanski her post

Mary Lemanski, social media manager for the Democratic Party of DuPage County, was let go from her position Monday morning after posting a series of tweets comparing Kyle Rittenhouse to the driver of the SUV that sped through barricades and struck dancers, musicians and others during a Waukesha, Wisconsin, Christmas parade.

“It was probably just self-defense #Wisconsin #KyleRittenhouse,” Lemanski tweeted about the tragedy that left five dead and 40 injured.

She followed up the statement, replying to a comment deriding her opinion and saying, “I’m sad. I’m sad anytime anyone dies. I just believe in Karma and this came around quick on the citizens of Wisconsin.”

A Kenosha County jury on Friday acquitted Rittenhouse of all charges against him, finding the teenage gunman acted in self-defense when he fatally shot two men and wounded a third during a protest in Kenosha.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-dupage-county-democrat-mary-lemanski-twitter-waukesha-20211122-4msgxxirpnb27blxuycxzxyfny-story.html

A winning look.

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #27)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 12:14 AM

33. Wow, I hadn't seen that.

What a great look for us. SMH.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 01:22 AM

38. Rittenhouse was not acquitted because he was 'scared.'

Rittenhouse was not acquitted because he was 'scared.'

He was acquitted because the prosecution could not prove that even one of the elements of Self-Defense was invalid.

In the Waukesha case at least the Innocence element is lacking. So claim of Self-Defense is a dead end, so to speak.

-- I am not a lawyer.

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Response to Lucid Dreamer (Reply #38)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 01:32 AM

39. Rittenhouse was aquitted because he was a hero

to many whites who resent BLM, and who think a 'nice white kid' like Rittenhouse should not go to jail.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 08:24 AM

43. Scared of what??? Nt

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Response to radius777 (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 08:44 AM

44. Lol, ok!! Nt

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Response to radius777 (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 06:08 PM

68. If you hit the brakes after you run over the 1st person it may not be intentional

If you continue to run over other people it is murder.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #68)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 06:51 PM

70. A murderer. But not a terrorist.

There’s an additional right wing narrative that actually does not exist.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 12:05 AM

29. You need to take another look at his record.

He was a convicted and violent felon.

I guess that guy in Charlottesville didn’t hit anyone on purpose either, maybe just angry or so, right?

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Response to radius777 (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 12:21 AM

35. Dude, I can go to my county sheriff website and find

a dozen white people charged with any or all those crimes, so give it up.

Funny how you omitted his violent crimes.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 06:38 AM

40. He wasn't trying to avoid hitting anyone . You don't drive that way if you want to avoid hitting

people . The guy is trash . Stop trying to downplay what a scumbag that piece of shit is .

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Response to radius777 (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 02:30 PM

52. Stop

You are embarrassing yourself.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 02:31 PM

53. "there is no proof he intentionally killed anyone"

there is video of him running the people over.

So, you are wrong.

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Response to Takket (Reply #53)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 03:17 AM

74. It's not intentional if he was in a paranoid state of mind,

ie temporary insanity.

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Response to Devil Child (Original post)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 11:23 PM

8. Pure fucking copaganda.

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Response to Nevilledog (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 11:26 PM

9. Expand?

 

What is incorrect per your viewing?

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 12:27 PM

48. You never heard back huh?

What a surprise.

Perhaps the poster is waiting on Twitter.

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Response to Nevilledog (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 11:27 PM

10. Is it factually incorrect?

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 11:36 PM

14. It is incorrect, as the video clearly shows him weaving to avoid

the marching band in the middle of the street as well as those on the side of the street. Clearly, the guy has issues (possibly paranoia) and was driving to get through the street as quickly as he could - not trying to mow people down.

The cops are RW racists and will see everything throught that prism, where black suspects are always guilty and white suspects are always innocent (unless they are pro-civil rights whites, then such whites tend to lose their 'white person card' and are treated as non-whites would be).

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Response to radius777 (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 11:39 PM

15. He struck 50-ish people... the evidence says he struck as many as he could even if ONE time he misse

Are you really defending this guy? He should have NO ALLIES.

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 11:41 PM

17. Look at the videos from all angles.

He avoided the marching band, the people on the side of the street etc. He clearly, IMO, was in a road rage state of mind, and trying to get through the roadway, just as several TV analysts said when it first happened.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 11:42 PM

19. I saw it.

He drove around some people but then plowed into dozens.

He ran over a woman just days earlier.

This guy has no redeeming qualities. Maybe he wasn't 100% sure he wanted to do it... then made his decision?

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Response to radius777 (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 11:46 PM

21. Incorrect, lone-wolf terrorist attack on the dancing grannies group & dancing girls group

 

The groups he lines up on before ultimately accelerating into and through while zig-zagging. 6 dead and 60 wounded, a real hero for his efforts at minimizing harm!

I'll stick with my theory. His history, social media footprint, and criminal record supports this viewing. Feel free to voice yours, don't expect much support.

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #21)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 02:43 PM

57. Given His Rap Sheet

It is interesting that he seems to have lined up on women and girls for his run.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 06:31 PM

69. If he was cognizant enough to actively avoid people, why not just... hit the brakes?

And, you know... Not run over the people that you're arguing he was completely aware of?

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 11:41 PM

18. Yes, what you ask is exactly what you and I are both seeing

 

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Response to radius777 (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 02:41 PM

56. Many Police Are Racist, And This Man Committed Murder, Sir

Neither thing rules out the other's being true.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 02:55 PM

60. You're shitting yourself in public

He "avoided" hitting them until he needed to run them over to get away, then it was "fuck these little kids".

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Response to Nevilledog (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 11:29 PM

11. ?

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Response to Nevilledog (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 11:33 PM

13. Really? How so? Please explain.

 

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Response to Nevilledog (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 12:01 AM

26. Horrible account of the incident. It fluctuates between fairy-tale and fantastical tabloid trash. ❤

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Response to Nevilledog (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 12:07 AM

30. Wow.

Amazing.

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Response to Devil Child (Original post)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 08:23 AM

42. Some may have good reasons to believe

that he tried to avoid more damage by not targeting people when a clear path was available or that he was in a panic. I wouldn't question that aspect, it may very well be true.
But one point remains: He had the chance to stop the car before anyone got hurt. And then he could have stopped the car after hitting the first victims. And after that, he could have stopped at any time before running over groups of children. One of those kids is now among those who died. He chose not to stop because he decided that the small chance of avoiding the consequences of his actions was worth more than the lives of others.

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Response to Hav (Reply #42)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 02:53 PM

59. +1, looks like this guy is mental ill and can't get right. He cuold've just stopped

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Response to Devil Child (Original post)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 10:47 AM

47. Thanks for the update

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Response to Devil Child (Original post)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 12:28 PM

49. "Terrorist act"?

Murder no doubt--Felony murder, 2nd degree, even arguably 1st degree.

But how are you getting "terrorist act," Curious One?

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Response to Tommy Carcetti (Reply #49)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 02:50 PM

58. It Sounds Florid, Sir, But There Is Some Sense To It

He was fleeing from a fight with a woman, has a sex offender record. The idea that men of a certain stamp conduct a sort of private war against women at large has some merit, I think. In that context, a terrorist act of femicide is a reasonable view.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #58)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 02:57 PM

61. All due respect, sir, a bit of a stretch.

Why target a parade? Do only women attend parades?

I've heard people insisting online that he did this because hated white people. Which then you have to ask, do only white people attend parades?

At this point, without further evidence, Occam's Razor directs us to the the most likely possibility that this guy was fleeing a domestic attack and in doing so with willful and wanton malice ran through a parade and killed multiple individuals, irrespective of their race or gender.

And that is murder--felony murder, 2nd degree murder, possibly 1st degree murder.

But not evidence of terrorism in and of itself.

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Response to Tommy Carcetti (Reply #61)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 03:09 PM

62. I Agree It Is a Stretch, Sir

It does seem he aimed at groups of women in the parade. That could be chance, certainly, but it also could be a target of opportunity, so to speak.

On the other hand, it is true 'terrorism' is a pretty useless term, telling you more about the person using it that the act. When someone calls an act terrorism, they are saying they do not approve of the political aims behind an act of violence, usually but not always by a non-state actor. A person who approves of the aim will use other terms, such as 'legitimate act of war' or 'revolutionary necessity', that sort of thing. It will still be an explosion triggered in a crowded market square. I am not aware of evidence the man had any particular political aim, but do not think it can be ruled out completely at this stage.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #62)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 03:14 AM

73. He swerved around the marching band which

iirc some of which were young women - there is no evidence he specifically targeted women or really anyone. He was trying to get through the road and ran over people who happened to be in his way, ie road rage/recklesness.

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Response to Devil Child (Original post)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 01:26 PM

50. I don't think

 

He drove onto the parade route looking to kill people. He clearly drove past a lot of people in the video that he could have easily run over had that been the intent. I think he came up to a spot where he couldn't drive by anymore and decided that he wasn't going to stop.

I think in his mind he knew he just left another domestic while out on bail and apparently with out of state warrants. He knew he'd be in jail for a very long time if he went back and was trying to get away.

I don't think he's a terrorist. I'm pretty sure he's a sociopath who was willing to run over 40 people of it meant he might be able to get away from going back to jail. He didn't set out to kill people,but when they were in his way he didn't care if he did. His actions were intentional and any reasonable person would know were likely to cause deaths, so he's guilty of the intentional homicides.

I think he was basically in GTA mode. Plowing over people in the street wasn't the aim, but it wasn't really something that mattered to him either.

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Response to BGBD (Reply #50)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 02:25 PM

51. Of course not.

OP is...well...curious, and likes to act...curiously...to see how people here respond.

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Response to Tommy Carcetti (Reply #51)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 05:04 PM

65. That, Sir, I Agree With Completely

Gives an old mod a bit of a twitch....

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Response to BGBD (Reply #50)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 03:09 AM

72. IMO the guy has some form of undiagnosed mental disorder,

because nothing he did made sense. He swerved to avoid many people, yet when found an obstacle kept going... that is not intentional murder but more recklessness and road rage. And if he was trying to escape the law, why didn't he keep fleeing, why was he found so easily, and he didn't resist arrest.

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Response to Devil Child (Original post)

Wed Nov 24, 2021, 02:35 PM

55. That was the most horrible thing I have seen in my lifetime.

Total disregard for life. Total lack of empathy that one might find in a very sick person or an insane person.

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Response to Devil Child (Original post)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 05:09 AM

76. Yup he killed people intentionally

I don't know why there are people on here trying to defend this guy. It looks pretty clear that he intentionally killed people or else he would've stopped or turned around.

If he tried to avoid people he did the worst job he could possibly do. Reason that he didn't run over the dense pack of people on the side is the car could get stuck, either too many bodies piled up in front of the car stopping it or a bunch under it lifting the wheels off the ground.

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Response to Devil Child (Original post)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 06:47 AM

79. OP is no longer with us

He disrupted... poorly



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