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[USALiberal]

1. If not guilty then more vigilantes will take it to the street! Nt

[Mz Pip]

5. Yes

Anyone will be able to claim self defense for the most minor things. A guy walking toward you on the sidewalk at night could be perceived as a threat.

This is not the society we should want.

[boston bean]

6. There is also that. What a fucking sad state our country is in.

[jimfields33]

2. I wonder when the verdict will happen

Tonight when everyone is traveling would be my guess.

[Casady1]

3. I always think the longer

the jury deliberates the better it is for the defense.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

22. I don't think that's the typical perception though I don't know what the actual stats would show nt

[Jose Garcia]

4. What if it's a split verdict?

[Dial H For Hero]

8. I would guess that the case would be retried if the jury is hung.

[Jose Garcia]

10. I was think more along the lines of at least one of them convicted, but

one or two of the others being acquitted.

[Dial H For Hero]

11. Ah, I misunderstood. Your scenario is a distinct possibility.

It’s my understanding that the case against the guy who filmed everything isn’t as strong as it is against the other two.

[oldsoftie]

35. I agree. I dont see the murder charge on him making it

Although there is the "party to a crime" law in GA.

[maxrandb]

7. Seems to be taking a looooong time to decide the obvious

The cruelty is the point.

Donnie Dipshit can't wait to offer these guys an invite to Murder-Lago

I pray to god I am wrong, but....

[Elessar Zappa]

9. I was hoping for a conviction but

each hour that passes is better for the defense. Maybe we’ll at least get a hung jury.

[Hav]

12. It took quite a long time for the judge

reading the charges and the explanations of the legal terms. There were a lot of charges for the jury to consider and 3 defendants. Didn't deliberations only start today? Maybe there'll still be a verdict today or tomorrow.

[maxrandb]

16. I understand that they started yesterday

Anyway, I doubt that if the races were reversed, it wouldn't take this long.

History is not on the side of justice and fairness.

If ever there appeared to be an open and shut case, this is it.

[uponit7771]

28. +1, "... there's a black man running ..." was literally an emergency to the racist calling

[KS Toronado]

46. He's already had kyle rottenmouse to Murder-Lago

Seen it on hannity last night channel surfing. I can't understand why the right is so happy someone
got away with 2 murders.

[soryang]

13. I'm familiar with this area of Georgia

the state of mind of many of the people there is something from the segregation days. I know many among the younger generations aren't that way, but many still are. The jury demographics are all important.

[Buckeyeblue]

17. If it wasn't for ATL Georgia would be Mississippi or Alabama

[soryang]

49. exactly

when traveling through Georgia which I have done hundreds if not thousands of times over the years, I always preferred staying at the truck stops in the Atlanta area. I never felt comfortable outside of the Atlanta beltway, where the racial tension was palpable. I would hear racist rants, and arguments on the CB provoked by white drivers so often I'd shut it off unless there were unusual road conditions. Same thing at the truck stops where I'd occasionally observe assaults or other confrontations that began on the CB, or started in the restaurant and proceeded to the parking lot when African American victim of verbal abuse / fighting words finally had all he take. This type of behavior by whites tended not to happen in Atlanta.

[moniss]

14. Maybe

it will be convictions for some charges and then they will get set aside on appeal. I hope they get the book thrown at them. After all Georgia what happened to Arbery's right to "stand his ground"? Seems to me he saw a bunch of strangers chasing him for no reason and then one gets out with a gun. Perfect common sense to think that they are going to kill you and you have to get the gun. So he was standing his ground. Apparently though this is a right reserved for white people.

[Hoyt]

15. If this jury acquits, I'll take to the streets too. Don't think there are many people who support

hunting a man down like an animal from the back of a pickup truck.

[maxrandb]

18. You'd be surprised

The election of Donnie Dipshit should have taught us that there are more cruel and malicious people in this country than any could have imagined.

I am very concerned that this era of America ends with either us, or the trump humpers dead in the streets.

Every democracy ends in ruin

[Harker]

25. That's a lesson I've learned

again every four or eight years throughout my life.

[rampartc]

26. +1

[llashram]

27. ++--true on the democracy tip

always have been more than anyone thought until 2020 election. Donnytheracist taught them not to be ashamed of racist hate. Show it. Wear it proudly. It's your right to be a racist hateful POS and to feel like victims.

[uponit7771]

30. +1, at MINIMUM cruelty and racism and crookedness is *NOT* a deal breaker for too many Americans

[Hortensis]

19. The POWER action is the vote! Over 1/3 of Americans didn't vote in 2020,

and those included over 40% of black Americans.

That's right. Almost 42% of black Americans didn't vote. Over 30% of white Americans didn't vote, but they outnumber AA several times over, so add up to far more almost criminally irresponsible idiots. Lest anyone think I'm piling on only one demographic. Then there are Hispanic nonvoters, etc.

Just one unpleasantly truthful word for those people of all colors who don't vote but yammer about rioting when they don't like what's happening is losers. Weaklings is another. How about hypocrites? All the rights they have and, being hypocritical losers often resentfully deny, were secured by those who do vote.

How many of those who rail against the irresponsibility of people who don't get vaccinated also rail about executions on our streets -- but don't get counted?

And let's not forget the word collaborator, because that's what those who refuse to stand against evil are.

Republicans WANT LW riots. They strengthen support for authoritarian government.

It's the vote they're trying to suppress.

Because one vote against them is an incredibly more powerful action than all the windows a loser could break before he gave up.

[llashram]

29. ++

[uponit7771]

32. WHOA !!! This should be an OP, I thought 70% of blacks voted in 2020. I don't know where they hell

... I got that number from though.

Do you have a link to that 40%, man ... we have a LOT of work to do getting out the vote in POC areas

[oldsoftie]

33. I've tried to explain that to some of the "no way that many people voted" folks

They cant believe the election results because the numbers were record turnout.
They are really surprised when i tell them 1/3 who could vote DIDNT vote.

[Hortensis]

43. Hmm. Sounds like Fox et al hasn't woven that horrible truth

into the web of lies. A surprise there for everyone. I can see how trumpists would be amazed to learn so many aren't outraged and enraged. By anything.

[Mosby]

37. Midterm elections are even worse

Lucky if 40% of the eligible voters vote.

AA voting rates have climed since PBO, but the Hispanic and young person turnout is dismal.

[BlackSkimmer]

38. Thank you.

You should make this an OP.

[Elessar Zappa]

47. Black turnout was 63%.

Here’s the link: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/04/record-high-turnout-in-2020-general-election.html

[Lucid Dreamer]

20. My Prediction:

My Prediction:

Man w/ the phone: Not Guilty [of murder]
Man w/ the gun: Guilty
Man w/o the gun: Toss up

[aeromanKC]

24. Georgia law: They all get a Superbowl ring

One of the best lines in the Prosecution closing: If you are going to take the law into your own hands, you better know the law.

[oldsoftie]

34. Not a bad prediction. I was thinking along that line too

I cant see a jury convicting a guy in another vehicle recording with his phone

I hope the prosecution did a good job of getting the jury to understand you cant claim self defense when you instigate the incident. If I start beating you & you retaliate and i kill you, thats not self defense

[2Gingersnaps]

41. I hope with all my heart I am wrong....

think three guys rob a bank, one sits in the getaway car, the other two go in, one shoots a black bank guard to death. In most legal cases involving bank robbery, all three would be guilty. Will an all white jury in Georgia send three men to prison with only one shooter?

I hate being this damn cynical, but...........I am 64. Anniversary of JFK's death hit me hard. Almost fifty years, and I still remember as a kid CBS News with Walter Cronkite, JFK, Bobby, MLK, Medgar Evers, MLK, Malcolm X. Four college kids here in my home state of Ohio. We did not learn one.damn.thing.

[Baitball Blogger]

21. I hope the jury waits until after Thanksgiving to

Deliver a verdict. Sounds like a perfect storm for bad things to happen.

[BlackSkimmer]

39. I'm afraid they're coming back today simply because it IS Thanksgiving.

They want it done and dusted so they can get on with things.

Worrying.

[Iggo]

48. Supper's waitin' at home and I gotta get to it.

[aeromanKC]

23. General Sherman 2.0

It is not going to be pretty.

[marble falls]

31. They are going to prison - 20 years min.

[Sympthsical]

36. I really don't think they'll be acquitted

I haven't seen much of the trial, but what parts I have seen seem completely damning. And that prosecutor has been fire. I caught her in closing. Mix in the judge's smacking down of the citizen's arrest bit.

I just don't see avenues of acquittal. And unlike Rittenhouse, I haven't seen any legal commentators arguing why they will or should be acquitted. It seems pretty consensus that these three are done.

[Hortensis]

44. Me neither. Same reasons.

[IrishAfricanAmerican]

40. My main concern...

is whether the old law, (citizen's arrest,) which was repealed would be applied to the situation giving the jury an "out" so they could say, "well, the law at the time said it was legal to stop him." Outside of some crazy scenario like that I can't see why it wouldn't be conviction.

[Amishman]

42. They'll be guilty, I have no doubt

The law favors someone who flees / disengages and does not protect someone who chases. This was a big part of the outcome in the Rittenhouse case. However, it is a lot clearer in this case as the three assholes were the ones chasing.

The only one who might get slightly more lenient treatment is Bryan due to his not having a weapon in hand and 'merely' recording it.

[Hortensis]

45. Very good point and contrast to Rittenhouse.

[Richard58]

50. PLEASE let there be a conviction!

Those two murderous racists are so OBVIOUSLY guilty you would have to be blind not to see it! The fact that the jury is still deliberating is troubling. Why is there any doubt? The victim was hunted down like an animal and murdered--all for the "crime" of jogging while Black! I heard there was only one Black juror so maybe all the Whites want to let those killers go and the Black person is the hold-out. And if they are found not guilty I would fully support people rioting because the verdict would send a message that Black people can be killed for no reason without any consequences. This country is so racist and so fucked up I can't stand it!

[AwakeAtLast]

51. Your prayers were answered!