Rob Reiner ftw!

[Heartstrings]

[grumpyduck]

1. "God helps those who help themselves."

'nuff said.

[Deuce]

8. Yes...

[alfredo]

55. Thanksgiving Dinner. Four teenaged boys means seconds uncertain

[MustLoveBeagles]

2. K&R

[FoxNewsSucks]

3. That's the truth.

[Sympthsical]

4. Crossed state lines, illegally armed

How to say you don't care about any facts without saying you paid no attention at all.

Agree about the Trump stuff, though. But that all felt inevitable.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

6. You misquote. He did cross state lines, as it says. That was established in the trial.

He did not carry the rifle across state lines. But the graphic does not allege that.

You misquote by selectively cutting off in the middle of the clause. By doing so you make a fake fact and then attack Reiner for the fake fact. That is the straw man fallacy. Please do not indulge in it.

The meaning is clear: Rittenhouse crossed the state line (with rage and a cover story about offering "medical assistance" despite no training and a meager medical kit). Only then, after the crossing was done, did he arm himself.

Whether he illegally armed himself, is debatable. Certainly his friend (pleaded?) guilty of illegal "straw sale". But I heard that he was allowed to carry it (possess it) regardless. Hunh?

[spooky3]

11. +1

The tweet was very clear in the sequence.

[Sympthsical]

12. Really trying too hard

We all know what effect is intended with "state lines". It is meaningless he did. Antioch is one mile from the Wisconsin state line.

Rittenhouse had first aid training. So another false fact.

Whether he was legally armed is not debatable. The charge is dropped because the law said it was legal. And you can guess what will happen once his friend goes to his next hearing. If it's not illegal for Rittenhouse to possess it, it's probably not going to be illegal for his friend to give it to him. I'd take a good bet it'll be dismissed.

The gun was kept in the owner's home. No one charged him with an illegal straw purchase.

People who value the truth do not play games like this. The narrative is ash. There is no salvaging it. It's just embarrassing now.

[mgardener]

15. Medical people

Do not carry guns if they rendering first aid.

He received first aid training and CPR as a life guard.
He did not render any assistance or CPR to those he shot.

[Sympthsical]

17. And that legally means . . .

What does that legally mean?

[rockfordfile]

20. Rittenhouse is a right-wing racist pos. You already know that?

[Sympthsical]

23. He's not a great person

But we don't convict people of things based on whether or not we like them.

Truth matters or it doesn't.

It isn't, "Truth matters, unless it doesn't comport with my politics. Then we can be super flexible."

[2Gingersnaps]

89. Whatever "truth" his well paid lawyers that he or his Mommy didn't pay for

helped him fabricate for the trial, his fabricated excuse for being there would be laughable, if it weren't for the AR 15 and the fanny pack of bandaids, and the dead people.

The lawyers earned their pay.

Why are so few looking at these right wing militia types showing up all over the country at BLM protests? Using their Second Amendment to deny people their First? Guess we'll have to get Rolling Stone on that.

I only watched Tucker long enough to see that long shot of the Cross on the wall, totally missed the trip to Mar a Lardo. No dog whistle there. Not even a "let's go brandon."

[dixiechiken1]

16. Doesn't matter if Antioch, IL is one INCH from Waukesha, WI...

A state line WAS crossed. That fact is not in dispute.

[Sympthsical]

22. And why does it matter?

It keeps being mentioned. What is the salience now?

[dixiechiken1]

24. Doesn't matter if it matters...

It's a fact. What's the problem with talking about facts?

[Sympthsical]

27. It's not the aim

I know it. You know it. It's meant as subtext to imply something wrong was done by doing so.

I don't see the point with these games.

[dixiechiken1]

32. So what's the "aim" of misrepresenting the distance between Antioch, IL and Waukesha, WI?

It's not one mile, it's 42 miles. Facts matter.

[Sympthsical]

33. To keep the factually incorrect impression alive

But doing it without saying so. The only reason anyone cared about state lines was when they thought the gun was involved, because people assumed it was a crime. Once that got debunked into the earth, they shifted to just state lines (Some of them. Most of them, including some of our politicians, are still repeating the gun falsehood).

It also implied Kenosha (btw) is this far-flung place he inserted himself into with no connection.

As we know, he has family, a job, and friends there.

It's manipulative subtext purposefully inserted to cause greater outrage.

[dixiechiken1]

37. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! 🤣

[Sympthsical]

40. Emoji responses mean I win the point!

Yay!

Hokay. I need to do Thanksgiving prep things.

At the end of the day, he was acquitted, which seems to be what the facts and evidence warranted. The rest is just Twitter venting.

Have a good holiday!

[dixiechiken1]

44. Actually, it means your "I lied to prove you're all liars" post was laughable.

Thus, the ROFL emojis.

Happy Thanksgiving to you, Sympthsical. Be well.

[Sympthsical]

73. Turns out I was right

The OP has a modified quote. Reiner did say the gun crossed state lines. Whoever co-opted it and made the graphic changed it, but left the structure intact.

See? I knew what was up.

[Equomba]

46. Well, I for one enjoyed your posts. I'm really not a big

fan of emotional vs. fact-based 'dialogue', especially when the stakes are high. I mean sure, it can be fun at times to indulge, but I don't think it does much good in this instance. Perhaps Reiner's time would be better spent in attempting to change gun laws.

Happy Thanksgiving!

[Sympthsical]

74. Happy happy to you as well!

[Equomba]

43. The fact is, it doesn't make any difference that a state line was crossed.

If instead he was living in Danbury WI and traveled to Kenosha instead of the 20 or so miles from his home in Illinois would the Meathead instead have said that he traveled 400 miles? Probably.

And the poster did not misrepresent the distance, he said Antioch is one mile from the state line. Might even be closer.

[Zeitghost]

60. Facts do matter

But the fact that Waukesha is 42 miles from Antioch doesn't have anything to do with the Rittenhouse case that happened in Kenosha, WI.

[Whatthe_Firetruck]

72. /ignore nt

[DLCWIdem]

59. It does matter

You may be trying to make a fine line but your not making it. You are the one who is sounding disingenuous. As someone who lives right by the state line between Minnesota and Wisconsin I know I am crossing state lines. I live on 1 side and work in the other. There is a bridge where 1 side is on the Wisconsin side and the other side is the Minnesota side. Just because he has friends etc... in Wisconsin doesn't mean shit. Furthermore, I was always aware of the differences in laws or rules between the 2 states. For example, the differences when bars closed from 1 state to another. Also there were differences in mandatory insurance policies between the 2 states.

[Monohull]

19. Curious

why you're so invested in this?

Do you always try to defend people that break the law and kill people?
Or, is there a personal involvement here?

[Sympthsical]

25. The constant misinformation bothers me

(He didn't break the law. See?)

I don't know what it is about this case. Just the proud display of, "I know nothing about this topic, but I have very strong feelings about it!" just pinged something.

My research final this semester in social psychology is also about polarization and political media. So, I spend a lot of time offline on this stuff as well. Just that pride, to not want to know facts or consider evidence. Part of polarization is when the political becomes the identity. And I think the refusal to acknowledge basic reality when it threatens political narrative is really driven by how deeply tied identity can be for some people and their politics. If their politics don't fit with what a reality is based on objective fact, the brain short circuits, and the denial of facts begins and perpetuates and becomes more violently insistent.

So I've just been watching this over and over. It's totally fascinating to observe.

I'm not partisan, my politics aren't my identity. Things are true or not. The end.

So I feel like I'm like full Dian Fossey with this case. Just watching all the gears click click.

We're either a reality-based community or we're not. And I'm going to argue for that, even as polarization pushes us farther away.

[Monohull]

30. He didn't break the law?

Reality is that conspiring to violate federal law is breaking the law.
By his own admission. And, his friend's admission.
They conspired to violate federal law with the illegal straw purchase.
That's conspiracy to violate federal law.

[Sympthsical]

34. You should probably contact the DA about this

Since you know he's broken all these laws and they apparently do not.

[Monohull]

39. I was not aware that a DA

has any say in prosecutions of federal law...

[druidity33]

31. "Things are true or not"...

well then, why does it matter so much to you that the OP says he crossed a state line to get where he was going? That is the truth, is it not? And yes, he had medic training as a lifeguard... you see any pools around the area he shot and killed 2 people? I don't buy your non-partisan political identity. The reality is that the tweet is accurate and despite your stated desire for truth, you objected to what it said, based on what seems to me to be an emotional response. "Just that pride, to not want to know facts or consider evidence". I don't see anyone on this thread that fits that bill. We're not the jury here, this post is not a legal proceeding and this is a forum specifically designed for PARTISAN politics. This is the Democratic Underground if you've forgotten where you are...

[Sympthsical]

36. Followed by illegally armed

Which we know he was not. Those two thoughts put together aren't an accident in the slightest. At this point in time, I refuse to believe people repeating these things are not doing so willfully.

So, not factual. Not accurate.

Being a Democrat doesn't mean I disregard objective facts and evidence so I can make things fit my politics.

[NJCher]

78. In regard to this

“That is the truth, is it not? “

Speaking as an English teacher and former copywriter, the rules for short form communication are that every single word has to count toward your point.

While perhaps true, adding this state lines info does not advance the communicator’s point.

Therefore, it should be left out.

[druidity33]

82. I'm not in your school class here...

and as you well know there aren't actually ANY rules to grammar that people can't break. Willingly, horrifically, poetically, scathingly, whatever the fucking way you want to break grammar rules... go right ahead. In the meantime you can take your grammar advice and stick it..... somewhere else.

[NJCher]

86. you'd never be able to stay in my class

You'd drop in the first three weeks because you lack the capacity to attain even a "C."

You have a double negative in your first sentence, making your message confusing.

You indulge in emotion and hostility, which detracts from your credibility.

I could go on but I won't because I get paid for this type of assessment. I just wanted to demonstrate to the more educated people on the thread that you have no argument. On even a partisan discussion forum, you have to have an argument, otherwise you have no value.

[druidity33]

91. You're projecting...

what you see as emotion is my disregard. Feel free to police the rules of grammar to someone who appreciates it and is even willing to pay for it! Maybe if you weren't such a snob about it i wouldn't have been so dismissive. If you're a teacher, you might want to rethink your approach. Enjoy your Turkey Day.

[Scrivener7]

85. Oh, Lord.

[radius777]

81. Agree, DU is not for 'non-partisan discussion', it is

for liberals and Democrats, and Rittenhouse is an abhorrent figure (from a moral and political view) to liberals, who can clearly see the favoritism he received from the judge, and that if the situation were reverse (if a BLM activist had shot him in self defense) they surely would not have been treated with such kid gloves. The cops viewed him as 'on their side' from the beginning, and he felt entitled to threaten and then kill those he viewed as political enemies. He's a terrorist pure and simple.

[radius777]

79. You're peddling RW narratives though,

and appear to view Rittenhouse as innocent - he is not.

He's a RW wannabe militia type who went there looking to do battle with the left/antifa/BLM, and escaped justice due to having a RW judge and jury who bought into his crybaby boy next door act.

Had the situation been reverse, and a BLM activist killed him in self defense, they surely would've been convicted.

You keep arguing about the law - our system is more based upon white supremacy and the cops/judges/juries frequently have disregard for any such 'laws' and simply throw people in jail based on BS. Look at Strickland who spend 42 years in jail for nothing.

[Heartstrings]

48. Dominick Black is facing possible prosecution for purchasing the firearm

up in Ladysmith, WI. He could get 25 years……

Sure gonna suck for him now that Rittenhouse got off.

[uponit7771]

18. The pic does not says "armed" ... it says "...illegally arms himself"

[Sympthsical]

26. The charge was dropped

Because the law said different.

Just gonna paper over that one, I guess.

[melm00se]

35. let me help here

Rittenhouse’s counsel made a motion that the misdemeanor gun charge be dropped and the judge did that because he held that the law was confusingly and poorly written.

Let’s look at the law as it is written:

948.60 Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18.

(1)?In this section, “dangerous weapon" means any firearm, loaded or unloaded; any electric weapon, as defined in s. 941.295 (1c) (a); metallic knuckles or knuckles of any substance which could be put to the same use with the same or similar effect as metallic knuckles; a nunchaku or any similar weapon consisting of 2 sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected at one end by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather; a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand; a shuriken or any similar pointed star-like object intended to injure a person when thrown; or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having weighted ends.

(2) (a)Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.

Sounds like Rittenhouse was guilty under this part of the statute as the law defines a firearm as a dangerous weapon. Right?

Not so fast there kemo sabe.

Let’s continue thru the statute:

(3) c. This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28

Well, isn’t this more damning???

But wait a second. What’s this?

“if the person is in violation of s. 941.28”

Let’s look at that 941.28 shall we?

941.28 Possession of short-barreled shotgun or short-barreled rifle.
and particularly these two parts

1 (b) “Short-barreled rifle" means a rifle having one or more barrels having a length of less than 16 inches measured from closed breech or bolt face to muzzle or a rifle having an overall length of less than 26 inches.

(2)?No person may sell or offer to sell, transport, purchase, possess or go armed with a short-barreled shotgun or short-barreled rifle.

The law says that you have to be in violation of 941.28 and 941.28 discusses the possession of short-barreled rifles and shotguns which are defined as have a barrel 26?.

Now,the judge has to rule on the law as it is written. Looking at the law as written, was Rittenhouse under 17 AND did the weapon in his possession meet the criteria as spelled out in the law?

No.

Ruling otherwise would almost certainly draw an appeal and your ruling would be overturned for failing to comprehend the law as written.

[Sympthsical]

38. Thank you

Although, I think everyone can agree, the gun laws are terribly written and need to be reworked after this.

But, his possession was legal.

[radius777]

80. The law and justice are two different things.

Many of our laws were written by RW racists and applied selectively. Had a BLM activist shot him in self defense, they surely would've been convicted.

[Equomba]

70. But Reiner said that

"An underaged kid illegally takes an assault rifle across state lines, kills two people," ...

[yardwork]

41. The quote is actually "...illegally arms himself..."

You just did what you accuse Reiner of doing. He is correct. You're the one mistaking facts.

[druidity33]

54. Thank you!

I decided to not engage with that poster anymore. Talk about disingenuous!

[Skittles]

57. twisting himself to defend a supremacist double murderer

sickening

[Equomba]

63. I fail to see any 'twisting' on his part, I see him defending the known facts

as opposed to those based on emotion. What did he 'twist'?

[Skittles]

64. the known facts are

the fascist little piece of shit white supremacist double murderer got away with it

[Equomba]

61. If a person illegally arms himself,

isn't said person still illegally armed, regardless of who did the arming?

[yardwork]

66. Yes. I'm replying to a poster who is saying something else, though.

[Sympthsical]

75. The Reiner quote is altered.

As I said. That state lines quote involves dishonest intentions.

Link to tweet

?s=20

[yardwork]

83. Interesting. We're all responding to the quote in the OP, though.

So, based on the actual tweet it looks like Reiner is mistaken about that detail, as many of us were as well, because of media reports. This was clarified during the trial.

The fact is that Rittenhouse arranged for the weapon to be waiting for him in Kenosha so that he could take it to the protest. The fact is that Rittenhouse shot three people that night, two of them fatally. The jury decided it was self-defense. I think they got it wrong. I think that Rittenhouse created the danger himself.

[Skittles]

56. Rittenhouse is a racist piece of shit double murderer

he should say that

[Skittles]

65. ARMS not armed

get YOUR facts right

[Sympthsical]

76. The original quote

Link to tweet

?s=20

Oh dear.

[Skittles]

77. oh once again

someone more offended by the words of an actor than the double murder committed by a gun humping white supremacist piece of shit

[Paladin]

5. Well and perfectly stated, as usual. (nt)

[KS Toronado]

7. We should print this and post it everywhere

in our towns with messages like "Real Patriots need to vote Democrat next election"
Any other suggestions?

[malaise]

10. mentally ill racist

This should have 500 recs

[Mr. Ected]

13. We live in a country rife with mentally ill racists

It's no wonder they found their leader and love and embrace him as one of their own.

Unfortunately, it also means the cockroaches have left the dark recesses where they formerly lurked and are now basking in the sunlight in plain view. God do I hate basking cockroaches.

[TygrBright]

14. This. Yep. n/t

[Roc2020]

21. The logical conclusion

of a gun crazed culture

[SergeStorms]

28. Yes, Dog help us all.

The optics of that totally incomprehensible event should be enough to chill everyone with an IQ above 50 to the bone.

[DENVERPOPS]

62. Hey SS

No shit, couldn't agree with you more. Trump was so excited that he pooped his depends, went straight to the phone and invited him down Mob A Largo to get an official Trump award of HERO CLASS ONE.........

I'm waiting for this to establish some kind of precedent to be repeated countless times across the entire nation..........

[90-percent]

29. is this a correct statement?

rittenhouse legally entered a street protest, tagged along and hi fived cops, who apparently approved his "help". and then proceeded to hunt down and shoot three threatening looking protesters like rabid dogs, and all that he did was perfectly legal.

Seems like some of the more mentally ill gun nutters will interpret the verdict gives them the right to shoot to kill if any antifa or blm looking people somehow threaten them, they can blow their brains out without repercussion?

Political violence is going main stream and becoming normalized. I wonder if the human prey will soon include progressive liberal democratic looking citizens. Or women that want abortions. Or non-Christians? or anybody with dreadlocks. or anybody that watches MSNBC prime time?

and will progressive gun nutters start murdering QANON, Fox and newsmax viewers soon?

and the final lesson is never bring a skateboard to a semi-automatic AK-47 gunfight.

-90% Jimmy.

PS - snarky and facetious, but not outside the realm of the current reality of life in violent, fearful, racist, military weaponized America.

corrections or additional factual material is encouraged. I don't want to be as mis-informed as this Rob Reiner guy.

[RussBLib]

42. appealing to god ain't gonna cut it

I cringed a bit when I watched Sharpton and Crump going all goo-goo over god after the Arbery verdict. We are on the same side, but the appeals to god are so frikkin' tiresome, empty and meaningless. Yes, I know it gives them comfort, and something to rally around, but there are better ways.....

[Heartstrings]

49. Bugs me the most when God is thanked for a Packer win.

[RussBLib]

50. indeed

or when they thank God for hitting that home run, or throwing that shutout, or catching that touchdown pass, or outscoring your opponent, knowing that the other side would thank God if they won.

it's just so meaningless

[Heartstrings]

51. Yes, indeed! nt

[msfiddlestix]

69. ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️

I couldn't agree more. All my life and I'm old as dirt, just makes me cringe with nausea.


But, I feel like Rob Reiner is appealing to a much more mainstream audience, and it's not over the top..

So I'm good with this one.

[Kingofalldems]

45. Kick and rec for Trump's secret pals.

[MustBeTheBooz]

47. He's not wrong. Dawg save us. N/T

[FailureToCommunicate]

52. Thanks for posting his statement.

Didn't realize that that murdering punk went to Mar-a-Lago. Sheesh.

[Heartstrings]

53. Yup, and it looks like they have matching thumbs!

[2naSalit]

58. But his fingers are longer.

tfg's next gen apprentice.

[myohmy2]

84. I'm waiting...

...for trump's comments on the Ahmaud Arbery verdict...

...I'll bet at some point trump will dog-whistle-suggest that if he were still president he'd pardon Ahmaud's murders as patriotic Americans defending themselves and their community...

...mark my words...

[msfiddlestix]

67. I just expressed similar sentiments with a neighbor not 15 minutes ago.

Rob Reiner, however said it far better than I ever could.





Kind of hard to be optimistic when that right there is where we are.

[billh58]

68. a lop-sided jury

and a biased judge didn't hurt the little fucker's chances.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

71. K&R

[AngryOldDem]

87. Why are people ignoring this hard truth?

In the end, which has bigger consequences? The state line thing or the fact that he is now anointed by Trump?

This jerk/punk/murderer HAD a WEAPON. Does not matter where he or it came from. He had it, and he used it. Two men are dead because of it. I could say the rifle came from the Land of Oz and that would not change the hard facts of this case.

WHY is this so damn hard to grasp?

[NJCher]

88. sadly

AngryOldDem, we have quite a few people here who are unable to divorce their emotions from the logical argument.

Worst of all, they are hostile and demeaning to those who try to bring logical arguments to the table.

Not quite as bad as the rightwing nutz, but getting there.

Democrats should be better than this.

[AngryOldDem]

90. Really surprised at all this.

Given lax gun laws, the argument is also a nonstarter.

This is like being distracted by the proverbial bright, shiny things. When he is trotted out in 2022 and 2024 as a GOP darling, as he most certainly will, will we still be debating state boundaries? Insane.

[sl8]

92. It looks like Occupy Democrats changed Reiner's words, but kept the quotation marks.

Seems a tad dishonest.

Link to tweet