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(3,603 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)RockRaven
(19,368 posts)The malice murder charge (the son only) has a minimum of life in prison, though. The felony murder charge (all three) has a maximum of life in prison. Looks like the son will get life and the other two get whatever the judge decides -- may be life or effectively life.
Then the feds get their chance (hate crimes/attempted kidnapping) which also carries a life sentence.
Brother Buzz
(39,898 posts)Count one was malice murder, which is defined by Georgia law as killing someone deliberately and without provocation. It is punishable by death, but prosecutors are not seeking the death penalty.
whathehell
(30,468 posts)geardaddy
(25,392 posts)whathehell
(30,468 posts)geardaddy
(25,392 posts)My state hasn't had CP for over a hundred years since its abolition in 1911
whathehell
(30,468 posts)Too bad the person to whom I first responded doesn't seem to share our view in the matter.
geardaddy
(25,392 posts)I think the death penalty is abhorrent and let's the convict off the hook too easily. Life without parole is a much better.
ShazzieB
(22,582 posts)I used to have a graphic that said, "The death penalty makes killers of us all." That pretty much sums up my view of the matter. I'm proud to live in a state that abolished the death penalty over a decade ago: https://www.injusticewatch.org/commentary/2021/illinois-death-penalty-abolition/
geardaddy
(25,392 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)lame54
(39,765 posts)BradAllison
(1,879 posts)Or claim it's proof America is not racist.
OnlinePoker
(6,127 posts)And here's the actual story they've posted:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/ahmaud-arbery-trial-verdict
LeftInTX
(34,286 posts)monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)lame54
(39,765 posts)LudwigPastorius
(14,723 posts)Naah...
"I like murderers who weren't convicted."
MoonRiver
(36,975 posts)electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)Faux pas
(16,356 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)Justice does still exist!
UTUSN
(77,795 posts)NQAS
(10,749 posts)As far away as possible from their fellow white nationalists.
nolabear
(43,850 posts)Fuck your Citizens Arrest. Fuck your vigilantism. Fuck your bigotry. Fuck your guns.
Its a start.
MOMFUDSKI
(7,080 posts)some white folks put some white folks in prison. In Georgia even! Now I want to know does Georgia have the death penalty?
Uncle Joe
(65,133 posts)Thanks for the thread sinkingfeeling.
KentuckyWoman
(7,400 posts)Sentencing will be the next hurdle. I hope the worst possible is given.
Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)radius777
(3,921 posts)Rittenhouse is a murdering terrorist who got lucky to have a RW judge/jury who fell for his crybaby boy next door act.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)On for sentencing. And next come their federal trials on hate crime charges, which also carry sentences of up to life.
KentuckyWoman
(7,400 posts)I am unsure I ever fully trusted our legal system. Too often I have seen it be manipulated by those seeking an advantage they could not earn.
In this climate getting a brave jury willing to hand out hard justice in high profile cases is a lot to ask for. I truly respect what they did.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Right? More, it's important to remember the extremely important role our federal legal system plays in keeping local governments from becoming too representative of the flaws of local authorities. Our federal laws set a generally high standard according to the times, even with Republican sabotage every time they get the power. Failures are mostly in application.
That said, we live in GA these days, and I believe the jury would have returned the same general verdicts for a case that was only reported locally, a testiment to both the jurors and to the fact that their choices were channeled and defined by GA's legal system. I mean, come on. The evidence was extremely strong.
The big problem with selecting a jury was that, overwhelmingly, people already believed Arbery had been hunted down and murdered. (What does that say about those manipulators who claim to be relieved that a white southern jury didn't demand Arbery be dug up and lynched?)
Now, the initial attempts of local authorities to shield the murderers from justice -- one of whom was a former deputy sheriff and investigator for the DA's office -- if not expected were at least not surprising. This is GA and conservative authoritarianism runs strong, nowhere more so than in authorities themselves. A third of Georgians are black, btw, and many communities run by black-dominated governments.
In any case, low expectations lead to low standards, and low standards never create high ones. I think we need to know what we do right so bad people can't drag our expectations down to what works for them.
KentuckyWoman
(7,400 posts)You are correct in all of it. I am a firm believer of people rising to expectations. A reminder that Georgia is changing and that we do still have a high functioning federal court system ....
Thank you.
C Moon
(13,642 posts)Takket
(23,714 posts)Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)RIP Ahmaud.
Jerry2144
(3,272 posts)begins with a single step. May these verdicts finally be evidence of progress down the road of true justice and liberty for all.
geardaddy
(25,392 posts)RainCaster
(13,710 posts)tulipsandroses
(8,251 posts)She needs to be disbarred and go to prison.
As well as everyone who tried to cover this up.
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geardaddy
(25,392 posts)This is a good first step!
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/03/us/ahmaud-arbery-jackie-johnson-indicted/index.html
Celerity
(54,407 posts)tulipsandroses
(8,251 posts)Even before national media attention, they were pushing to get justice for Ahmaud.
PatSeg
(53,214 posts)Upthevibe
(10,180 posts)KS Toronado
(23,727 posts)like they did after the kyle rottenmouse verdict. So they gonna hit the streets protesting
or go threaten the jurors? Qrump will demand they do something.
JohnnyRingo
(20,870 posts)I wouldn't go on fox if I was a juror, but maybe the defense lawyers?
Boomerproud
(9,291 posts)They'll rerun that "sweet kid" Rittenhouse 's interview ad nauseam.
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IrishAfricanAmerican
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ancianita
(43,307 posts)Even hard line trumpculters wouldn't blame the white jurors on this one.
Mister Ed
(6,927 posts)And to think this would have been swept under the rug and never prosecuted if one of them hadn't published the video to brag about the crime.
moondust
(21,286 posts)This is NOT how MAGA is supposed to work!
Has he pardoned them yet?
JohnnyRingo
(20,870 posts)There's at least one Dixie state where it is illegal to hunt black people. Racists take notice, it's a new millennia.
I really am proud of that state, court, and jury. I'm sure others will follow.
blogslug
(39,167 posts)crickets
(26,168 posts)H2O Man
(79,048 posts)DashOneBravo
(2,679 posts)spanone
(141,609 posts)TomSlick
(13,013 posts)It's always nice when a jury proves the system can work.
BigmanPigman
(55,137 posts)it happened the three were so smug and incredibly stupid as was their attorney. They were bragging about it on national TV, that is how self righteous they were. It also shows how confident they were that it was their right to do this in the first place. Fuck, that is white entitlement in a nutshell ("nut" being the key word here).