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raccoon

(31,106 posts)
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 09:01 AM Nov 2021

Ahmad Arbery's murderers, as I'm sure you all know, were free as birds for

TWO MONTHS before LEO got off their butts and did their jobs.

I don’t know who dropped the ball… The DA, the local sheriffs office, the local police department, whoever. But it sure seems to me like somebody’s heads ought to roll for that.

Who dropped the ball?

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Ahmad Arbery's murderers, as I'm sure you all know, were free as birds for (Original Post) raccoon Nov 2021 OP
Worse than a dropped ball Yonnie3 Nov 2021 #1
In a just world Monohull Nov 2021 #7
+1 2naSalit Nov 2021 #15
Accessory After the Fact would be the appropriate charge. MoonRiver Nov 2021 #19
+1, looks like text book accessory after the fact uponit7771 Nov 2021 #20
Doesn't "accessory" imply that a person was at the murder site.... secondwind Nov 2021 #27
Accessory after the fact. Monohull Nov 2021 #28
as a fan of true crime shows Skittles Nov 2021 #47
She, Johnson, turned herself in Wednesday... asiliveandbreathe Nov 2021 #38
She took the ball and threw it in a lake (photo) Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2021 #23
It was an airtight cover-up until a lawyer leaked the video, thinking it was exculpatory. Eugene Nov 2021 #2
I recall there were all kinds of friendly relationships between parties Demovictory9 Nov 2021 #3
"favor and affection" according to the state indictment Eugene Nov 2021 #5
The lawyer, Alan Tucker, actually thought the video would exonerate the McMichaels. sop Nov 2021 #26
It completely blows my mind that those thugs thought that video would make them look GOOD. ShazzieB Nov 2021 #40
+1 H2O Man Nov 2021 #30
It's still a white Georgia 48656c6c6f20 Nov 2021 #4
Why didn't the stupid racist murderers flee when they had the chance? panader0 Nov 2021 #6
Because they watch the old footage PCIntern Nov 2021 #8
And that's it. H2O Man Nov 2021 #32
Racism itself.... SergeStorms Nov 2021 #9
It's a brazen disregard for the lives of Black people True Dough Nov 2021 #10
I think they were relying on the history peggysue2 Nov 2021 #12
Christofascist hero cult...they were "heros" saved white murica from the black man and tried to use Thomas Hurt Nov 2021 #25
Intentional actions, no ball dropping at all. TNNurse Nov 2021 #11
Exactly. 2naSalit Nov 2021 #16
+1 H2O Man Nov 2021 #33
racism was part of it, but maybe not all of it. cab67 Nov 2021 #13
I think that... 2naSalit Nov 2021 #17
The father knew better. Delmette2.0 Nov 2021 #36
Absolutely. cab67 Nov 2021 #39
It is still Georgia recovering_democrat Nov 2021 #14
As a Texan, I envy Georgians Sucha NastyWoman Nov 2021 #18
Same here in Ohio. 2Gingersnaps Nov 2021 #21
+1, That's cause Texas is last on voter access which is worse than voter suppression. It's the reaso uponit7771 Nov 2021 #22
Yes. GA's culture is still strongly authoritarian. Hortensis Nov 2021 #34
+1 llmart Nov 2021 #37
Are any of these murderous fools married? Have kids? BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #24
The sister posted pictures of Arbery's dead body exboyfil Nov 2021 #31
I don't want to see pictures of Arbury dead, but thanks. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author exboyfil Nov 2021 #44
Well, two of them are father and son. ShazzieB Nov 2021 #41
Yeah, I knew that much. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #45
during the trail the defense revealed that he was basically new to the area CatWoman Nov 2021 #48
74 days.......before anything was even started. 😡 😡 😡 a kennedy Nov 2021 #29
people with llashram Nov 2021 #35
I just realized something. ShazzieB Nov 2021 #42
yuk-yuk llashram Nov 2021 #49
tried to sabotage the ball Skittles Nov 2021 #46

Yonnie3

(17,427 posts)
1. Worse than a dropped ball
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 09:06 AM
Nov 2021
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/former-da-indicted-allegedly-showing-favor-men-accused-killing-ahmaud-n1278416

Former DA indicted after allegedly 'showing favor' to men accused of killing Ahmaud Arbery
Jacquelyn Lee Johnson is accused of violation of oath of public officer and obstruction of a police officer in her handling of the case, the Georgia attorney general announced.

Sept. 2, 2021, 5:37 PM EDT / Updated Sept. 3, 2021, 12:55 PM ED

By Doha Madani

A former Georgia district attorney was indicted Thursday by a grand jury, which said she showed preference to the men accused of killing Ahmaud Arbery last year.

The former prosecutor, Jacquelyn Lee Johnson, was indicted on charges of violation of oath of public officer and obstruction of a police officer, Georgia Attorney General Chris Carr announced. Johnson was the Brunswick Judicial Circuit district attorney when Arbery, 25, a Black man, was shot in February 2020. Johnson ultimately lost re-election in November.

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Monohull

(52 posts)
28. Accessory after the fact.
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 11:26 AM
Nov 2021

If you drive to my house with a dead body in your trunk of someone you killed. And, I help you hide it. I would be an accessory after the fact.

Skittles

(153,138 posts)
47. as a fan of true crime shows
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 09:46 PM
Nov 2021

it astounds me how often that happens.....where do they find friends like that? Mine would go straight to the cops, as would I!

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
38. She, Johnson, turned herself in Wednesday...
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 11:57 AM
Nov 2021
https://democraticunderground.com/100216086433

And Barnhill..the outside prosecutor SHE suggested..he wrote a letter saying the slaying was justified..down he goes..(info further down thread at link)

sop

(10,144 posts)
26. The lawyer, Alan Tucker, actually thought the video would exonerate the McMichaels.
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 11:21 AM
Nov 2021

Tucker had initially consulted with the men, but ended up not representing them. Apparently, the police and prosecutor already had the video showing Arbery's murder, and were covering up the crime.

The GBI (Georgia Bureau of Investigation) took over the investigation and assigned a new prosecutor only after the video was leaked to the media. It demonstrates how corrupt and racist local cops and prosecutors are, and why police body cam videos are often hidden from public view.

ShazzieB

(16,352 posts)
40. It completely blows my mind that those thugs thought that video would make them look GOOD.
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 12:15 PM
Nov 2021

That is the biggest irony of all to me. That lawyer leaked the video, with the perps' cooperation, because he and they were ALL so stupid and racist that they thought it was exculpatory! Mind. Blown.

But thank whatever gods may be for epic stupidity, because if not for the leak, the whole thing would have been buried and those fools would still be free as birds.

 

48656c6c6f20

(7,638 posts)
4. It's still a white Georgia
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 09:23 AM
Nov 2021

I was watching CNN followup this morning and saw one of the convicted murderers leaving the court house handcuffed in front. How would a black person convicted of murder left the court room? My guess is fully shackled.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
6. Why didn't the stupid racist murderers flee when they had the chance?
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 09:32 AM
Nov 2021

Surely they knew they had murdered a man. So many criminals seems quite stupid. Not only is
killing someone morally and legally wrong, but their failure to realize how much trouble they were
in is headshakingly dumb.

PCIntern

(25,517 posts)
8. Because they watch the old footage
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 09:46 AM
Nov 2021

Of the residents of the area wherein the three civil rights workers were murdered in the 60s. These guys think this stuff is funny. I have a neighbor who could have easily participated in this. He has the same sense of “humor”.

SergeStorms

(19,192 posts)
9. Racism itself....
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 09:59 AM
Nov 2021

"is head-shakingly dumb". These white supremacists still lived - at least in their minds - in a Georgia where racism is commonplace. They'll never understand that what they did was wrong.

Georgia, and other states as well, are still in the process of changing. Trump emboldened these racist holdouts to a point where they imagined the clock was being turned back to a time when racism was not only accepted, but was encouraged.

True Dough

(17,296 posts)
10. It's a brazen disregard for the lives of Black people
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 10:01 AM
Nov 2021

They thought their flimsy story, with or without video, would be taken at face value. Nothing of value was lost, they thought.

Rot in jail, bastards!

peggysue2

(10,826 posts)
12. I think they were relying on the history
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 10:04 AM
Nov 2021

And that history told them that they--like many white men before them--would never be held accountable. Even releasing the video was part and parcel of that belief. Exculpatory in nature, they thought. And they had the good ole boys' network on their side, up to and including the DA.

So yeah, stupid, amoral but within their expectations that they would remain free even after a grotesque murder. Because history told them they had every right to do so.

The jury shattered that belief.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
25. Christofascist hero cult...they were "heros" saved white murica from the black man and tried to use
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 11:09 AM
Nov 2021

it as a defense.

cab67

(2,992 posts)
13. racism was part of it, but maybe not all of it.
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 10:16 AM
Nov 2021

Gregory McMichael is a former cop and had worked as an investigator for the DA's office. I thus wonder how much "blue wall of silence" shit was involved in the decision to not arrest or prosecute them.

(Like I said - I have no doubt that racism was at the core of all of this. I just wonder whether cops letting cops walk may have also been a factor.)

2naSalit

(86,502 posts)
17. I think that...
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 10:34 AM
Nov 2021

You don't have to wonder, It's SOP for most of them and especially in cases like these.

cab67

(2,992 posts)
39. Absolutely.
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 11:59 AM
Nov 2021

So did the other cops. So did the prosecutor.

We're starting to see cops get prosecuted for these sorts of things, but there's still way too little accountability.

14. It is still Georgia
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 10:17 AM
Nov 2021

I lived there 60+ years, the state-wide behaviors are consistent with this situation. Less horrible in urban areas. I spend a few months there every year. It is the same in much of the state. This is a HUGE difference for Georgia. Maybe it will cause more people to think.

Join me in Thanksgiving for this step which is really a huge step.

2Gingersnaps

(1,000 posts)
21. Same here in Ohio.
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 10:45 AM
Nov 2021

If you were on social media yesterday, the outrage of the entitled was as palpable as the glee from Rittenhouse. Too soon to say if this baby step in the right direction is a trend. But knock me over with a feather that the step was taken. Don't want to be such a pessimist..........but I have 60 years of being too hopeful behind me.

uponit7771

(90,329 posts)
22. +1, That's cause Texas is last on voter access which is worse than voter suppression. It's the reaso
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 10:47 AM
Nov 2021

... reason why the Gov of TX can go around pimp slapping infants and taking women's rights away and the Lt Gov of the state can literally brag on live TV about taking peoples ability to vote by mail away.

Its going backwards cause they're taking away peoples ability to vote

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
34. Yes. GA's culture is still strongly authoritarian.
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 11:40 AM
Nov 2021

It's not just the authorities who believe in special standards for themselves; a lot of the people do also and will support it. This isn't a race thing in itself, but an authoritarian mentality thing. In this case, the older McMichael was a former sheriff's deputy and investigator for the DA's office.

As one of the cartoons JHB posted said, I give thanks for video evidence. A leaked recording brought the GA Dept of Investigation down on them.

And the big problem with choosing this GA jury was that, because of the recording the murderers made of themselves hunting down and murdering Arbery, people overwhelmingly already believed they did it.

llmart

(15,536 posts)
37. +1
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 11:57 AM
Nov 2021

I lived in North Carolina for ten years in the 80's and 90's. I wanted to believe that this sort of racism was dying out, but so much of what I experienced and saw and heard in that decade opened my eyes to how many Southerners had no qualms about showing their racism.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
24. Are any of these murderous fools married? Have kids?
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 10:56 AM
Nov 2021

Seems like I never heard anything about any families. Just curious.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
31. The sister posted pictures of Arbery's dead body
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 11:38 AM
Nov 2021

on the internet if you want to know something about the family.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
43. I don't want to see pictures of Arbury dead, but thanks.
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 01:52 PM
Nov 2021

Just wondered if there were kids that were having to deal with having shithead fathers.

Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #43)

ShazzieB

(16,352 posts)
41. Well, two of them are father and son.
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 12:22 PM
Nov 2021

Don't know if there are any siblings, but McMichael Sr. had at least one kid. (AFAIK, Jr. Is unmarried.)

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
45. Yeah, I knew that much.
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 01:56 PM
Nov 2021

Somehow I’m not surprised Jr is unmarried lol.

I was wondering most about the one I call “bowl cut guy”. I thought I read he had a wife somewhere. He actually looked like he was going to burst into tears yesterday; I really think he thought he’d get off.

CatWoman

(79,294 posts)
48. during the trail the defense revealed that he was basically new to the area
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 09:59 PM
Nov 2021

as he was tired of renting and recently purchased his house with his girlfriend.

BTW -- Did you guys know he is under GBI investigation for child molestation?

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/07/29/man-who-recorded-ahmaud-arbery-death-faces-child-molestation-investigation/

llashram

(6,265 posts)
35. people with
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 11:47 AM
Nov 2021

hate in their hearts. THERE ARE 65MILLION PLUS more out there. The last election proved it. Note counting those roaming the halls of Congress spitting hate and racist venom.

ShazzieB

(16,352 posts)
42. I just realized something.
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 12:27 PM
Nov 2021
Not counting those roaming the halls of Congress spitting hate and racist venom.


I knew Republicans were snakes, but I just realized what kind: spitting cobras! 😁
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