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sl8

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excellent Demovictory9 Nov 2021 #1
Venus fly traps are "sentient" beings but they are not sapient beings and that's where abortion ... uponit7771 Nov 2021 #2
Why not mammals too? Generic Brad Nov 2021 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author sl8 Nov 2021 #5
Ah! Thank you Generic Brad Nov 2021 #16
I guess I'm a mass murderer then 48656c6c6f20 Nov 2021 #4
Shouldn't that be octopi? nt doc03 Nov 2021 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author sl8 Nov 2021 #9
Yes I read octopus comes from Latin and octopi doc03 Nov 2021 #11
What does this mean edhopper Nov 2021 #7
i've never cooked a lobster but...... Takket Nov 2021 #10
I think edhopper Nov 2021 #14
Actually, the bill only makes recommendations for humane slaughter of these animals mn9driver Nov 2021 #8
Octopus are really smart interesting creatures. leftyladyfrommo Nov 2021 #12
I think you are right. edhopper Nov 2021 #15
Good! All creatures deserve mercy. Maru Kitteh Nov 2021 #13
Ugh! Monohull Nov 2021 #17

Demovictory9

(32,453 posts)
1. excellent
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 09:04 AM
Nov 2021

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
2. Venus fly traps are "sentient" beings but they are not sapient beings and that's where abortion ...
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 09:06 AM
Nov 2021

... rights and this law gets it wrong.

Sentient aren't high order thinking beings, just respond to logically to input

Generic Brad

(14,274 posts)
3. Why not mammals too?
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 09:46 AM
Nov 2021

If they're declaring invertebrates to be sentient, there is an equal case to be made for cows, pigs, and sheep. Hell, even fish and fowl.

When they realize plants have a form of communication and limited awareness, there will be nothing left to eat.

Response to Generic Brad (Reply #3)

Generic Brad

(14,274 posts)
16. Ah! Thank you
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 11:16 AM
Nov 2021

I appreciate the clarification.

 

48656c6c6f20

(7,638 posts)
4. I guess I'm a mass murderer then
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 09:53 AM
Nov 2021

Since I've killed crabs by the bushels. I've been known to murder a few squid also. Dang. Maybe I am guilty of genocide? I've only murdered a couple lobsters. Just think they taste like nothing. Not worth murdering.
Just hope we never learn bacteria or virus are sentient, that would be a crazy number of murders.

doc03

(35,328 posts)
6. Shouldn't that be octopi? nt
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 10:20 AM
Nov 2021

Response to doc03 (Reply #6)

doc03

(35,328 posts)
11. Yes I read octopus comes from Latin and octopi
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 10:31 AM
Nov 2021

would be the plural in Latin but octopuses is English. I prefer octopi sounds better.
I heard a guy several years ago use the word Foci for the plural of the Ford Focus.


edhopper

(33,575 posts)
7. What does this mean
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 10:21 AM
Nov 2021

humanely killing them before cooking?

Lobsters might be sentient, but no more than a cockroach, whose brains theirs resemble. Octopi, on the other hand, appear to be very intelligent.

Takket

(21,563 posts)
10. i've never cooked a lobster but......
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 10:28 AM
Nov 2021

I watch Masterchef and Gordon Ramsey pointed out in several episodes that before throwing them in the pot of boiling water you take a knife and pierce the head where the brain is which he has said is the "most humane" way of killing them because it instantly kills them as opposed to I suppose the painful and not instant death of the pot of boiling water...

edhopper

(33,575 posts)
14. I think
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 10:40 AM
Nov 2021

that is reasonable.

mn9driver

(4,425 posts)
8. Actually, the bill only makes recommendations for humane slaughter of these animals
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 10:25 AM
Nov 2021

Individuals and the seafood industry are still free to kill these animals in any way they choose. I like seafood and am happy to comply with humane kill methods. If I was running a large seafood business I might be less, um, sanguine about the issue.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
12. Octopus are really smart interesting creatures.
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 10:31 AM
Nov 2021

We shouldn't be eating them.

edhopper

(33,575 posts)
15. I think you are right.
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 10:41 AM
Nov 2021

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
13. Good! All creatures deserve mercy.
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 10:36 AM
Nov 2021
 

Monohull

(52 posts)
17. Ugh!
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 11:24 AM
Nov 2021

Crab and Lobster are my favorite proteins.

I refuse to eat Octopus on the grounds that I wont eat any animal that can do math better than I can.

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