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Thu Nov 25, 2021, 09:34 PM

Dangerous Covid variant transmitted from one hotel room to another in Hong Kong.

This is NOT good...


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Reply Dangerous Covid variant transmitted from one hotel room to another in Hong Kong. (Original post)
jmbar2 Nov 25 OP
bahboo Nov 25 #1
Delphinus Nov 25 #2
jmbar2 Nov 25 #3
Meowmee Nov 25 #7
Takket Nov 25 #4
Maru Kitteh Nov 25 #5
cstanleytech Nov 25 #19
Raine Nov 26 #23
obamanut2012 Nov 26 #34
littlemissmartypants Nov 26 #25
Tomconroy Nov 25 #6
Ace Rothstein Nov 25 #16
pnwmom Nov 25 #18
pnwmom Nov 25 #20
liberal_mama Nov 25 #22
Withywindle Nov 25 #21
Maru Kitteh Nov 25 #8
chowder66 Nov 25 #9
jmbar2 Nov 25 #11
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 25 #15
Phoenix61 Nov 25 #10
PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 25 #12
tinrobot Nov 25 #13
meadowlander Nov 25 #14
Rhiannon12866 Nov 25 #17
littlemissmartypants Nov 26 #26
Rhiannon12866 Nov 26 #27
littlemissmartypants Nov 26 #29
Rhiannon12866 Nov 26 #30
littlemissmartypants Nov 26 #32
hlthe2b Nov 26 #33
dickthegrouch Nov 26 #46
yaesu Nov 26 #24
womanofthehills Nov 26 #28
obamanut2012 Nov 26 #35
Tomconroy Nov 26 #36
ProfessorGAC Nov 26 #37
greenjar_01 Nov 26 #39
keep_left Nov 26 #47
NickB79 Nov 26 #40
yaesu Nov 26 #43
littlemissmartypants Nov 26 #31
Renew Deal Nov 26 #38
MoonRiver Nov 26 #41
herding cats Nov 26 #44
Post removed Nov 26 #42
BannonsLiver Nov 26 #45

Response to jmbar2 (Original post)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 09:35 PM

1. oy...

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Response to jmbar2 (Original post)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 09:39 PM

2. Does anyone know

how ill either person got (or perhaps is)?

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Response to Delphinus (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 09:41 PM

3. Click on the Dr's Twitter post and read the following posts

More info...

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Response to Delphinus (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 10:02 PM

7. There is no info there on how sick they are.

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Response to jmbar2 (Original post)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 09:50 PM

4. planes should not be flying into or out of South Africa........


?s=20

and their borders should be closed.

Though it is probably too late. It is highly likely the virus is already in the USA and at this point just circulating in the background among the millions of anti-vaxxers. if everyone got vaxxed and we had the virus under control, it would be much easier to ID, contact trace, and isolate these outbreaks, but our numbers are just too large to make that realistic.

hopefully samples of this damn thing at already in the hands of vaccine producers and they figure out ASAP how to adapt to it. we can't stop the anti-vaxxers from spreading it everywhere. all we can do is hope to save ourselves.

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Response to jmbar2 (Original post)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 09:53 PM

5. This is far too vague and scant on detail for me to feel alarmed just yet.

Were the PCR tests all routine surveillance or symptomatic or some mix of each? Are we sure no visiting happened between the two, and how? Thatís just the start of my questions.

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 11:32 PM

19. Agreed and to be honest unless this new variant has ramped up the % of deaths it can cause

substantially I am not going to panic over it.

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:05 AM

23. Same here

I'm done with fear over every new thing that gets printed about Covid. I'm not living that way any longer, I have to move forward for my mental health.

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Response to Raine (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 06:20 AM

34. Agreed

I decided that a few weeks ago. I am vaxxed, will be boosted in a week, and we are very careful and wear masks at work, etc. However, like you, I've stopped doom scrolling. It's just too much for almost two straight years.

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Response to jmbar2 (Original post)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 09:57 PM

6. Dr. Ding: Always the calm voice of reason.

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Response to Tomconroy (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 11:21 PM

16. LOL

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Response to Tomconroy (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 11:26 PM

18. Yes, he is. And he was among the very few who understood the danger of Covid,

right from the beginning.

We should heed him now.

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Response to Tomconroy (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 11:32 PM

20. He was among the very few who understood the danger of Covid,

right from the beginning.

We should heed him now.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 11:52 PM

22. I take his tweets very seriously. He's been right most of the time, unlike some of the other

"experts." There have been tons of posts on Twitter about this new variant today though, not just from him. It seems like it could be bad.

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Response to Tomconroy (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 11:34 PM

21. Unfortunately he's usually been right

Far more often than he's been wrong.

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Response to jmbar2 (Original post)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 10:10 PM

8. Is this the same Doc who said lambda would "threaten global civilization?"

I donít remember. Iím not saying thereís no concern, only that itís critical to take one step at a time and find what objective, scientifically sound data show.

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Response to jmbar2 (Original post)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 10:20 PM

9. I personally follow these two on Twitter

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Response to chowder66 (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 11:05 PM

11. Thanks for posting these resources

Seems to be a very fast-breaking story.

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Response to chowder66 (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 11:19 PM

15. Thanks!

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Response to jmbar2 (Original post)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 10:29 PM

10. The twit that had it wasn't consistent with

wearing his mask. The hallway had inadequate air flow. Canít find the article but I think it was posted on DU.

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Response to jmbar2 (Original post)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 11:07 PM

12. Exctly when did this happen?

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Response to jmbar2 (Original post)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 11:09 PM

13. Were those people sick enough to be hospitalized?

Or did the vaccines still do their job?

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Response to jmbar2 (Original post)

Thu Nov 25, 2021, 11:12 PM

14. This happened with Delta in New Zealand MIQ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300383287/covid19-delta-transmission-at-aucklands-jet-park-miq-hotel-via-opening-of-doors

Not saying the new bug isn't nasty but this example isn't inherently worse than what has already happened with Delta.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #17)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:39 AM

26. Thanks, Rhi. I'm amazed at the stupidity revealed in this thread.

We'll never be free of this pandemic if people keep thinking they're smarter than the epidemiologists. Lack of concern is a dead giveaway, pun intended, that person is an idiot, a psychopath or an antivaxer, but I repeat myself.

Thankfully, the ignore function has no limits. I just don't need the agitation.



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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #26)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:54 AM

27. What I find intolerable are the number who think they can just ignore it

Putting everyone else in danger, family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, anyone they cross paths with. When I brought my car in for an oil change last week, I chatted in the waiting room with a lady who would fit in well here. She works at a local school and is absolutely livid since her granddaughter's 5th grade has been quarantined - sent home - twice this year because of a Covid outbreak in the school. She figures it has to be a teacher who has contact with all the kids in that grade since the entire 5th grade was sent home. And, as we know, kids of that age were just recently approved to get the vaccine. And the little girl got it, as did her brother and her Dad - who was very sick - only the Mom escaped it. And those who work in schools absolutely have to be vaccinated and masked since they're regularly in close proximity with a lot of kids. I've seen the kids in my school district getting off the buses nd they're all masked, have since last year so they're used to it.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #27)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 03:22 AM

29. All I can say is that I love you and keep the faith. ❤

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 03:26 AM

30. Awww, thanks so much...

That means a lot. I don't know what I would do without my friends on DU, helps keep me sane through this unprecedented craziness.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #30)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 03:47 AM

32. I feel exactly the same. Even as a verified loner, I wouldn't have survived

These last two years without my DU pals.

DU has helped me through so much. I depend on my friends here and they've never let me down. Hopefully, we will come out on the other side better for it all.







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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #26)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 05:24 AM

33. Yes. It is as disconcerting as seeing the RW attack Fauci.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #17)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 04:40 PM

46. I'll bet it's the same housekeeping staff who serviced both rooms

The two people don't ever have to have met, air does not have to be crossing the hallway. If the housekeeper went from one room the next they could easily have caused a large number of deposits to be transferred.
One reason I'm still not ready to go to any hotel.
The pillow would seem be a perfect vector for transmission between guests.

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Response to jmbar2 (Original post)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:06 AM

24. I've always understood it as even if vaxxed you can still get covid, just not serious enough

to end up in the hospital and virus loads are all over the place with studies saying one thing then another about it. I figure the best thing to do is stay away from large crowds, wear masks, the virus will be with us for years IMHO.

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Response to yaesu (Reply #24)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:31 AM

28. You can end up in the hospital if you are vaxxed

Our local radio station in Albuquerque, KRQE, said 30% of covid hospital admissions were double vaxxed.

Guardian Article

South Africa to be put on Englandís travel red list over new Covid variant

Flights from six countries will be banned as officials review travel measures after scientists voice concern over variant

Flights from southern Africa will be banned, with six countries placed under Englandís red list travel restrictions, after scientists raised the alarm over what is feared to be the worst Covid-19 variant yet identified.

Whitehall sources said the B.1.1.529 variant, which is feared to be more transmissible and has the potential to evade immunity, posed ďa potentially significant threat to the vaccine programme which we have to protect at all costsĒ.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/25/scientists-call-for-travel-code-red-over-covid-variant-found-in-southern-africa?fbclid=IwAR2zN-4mvmX6jtEVOki3OyHDhcvUjYfsZfgW3tMLJZmdKxeoagLjoJ7KWkc



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Response to womanofthehills (Reply #28)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 06:25 AM

35. Here you are like clockwork

A link to 30% of hospitalized being vaxxed, which we both know you can't find.

Link to the name of the antivaxx radio host who said this?

For alerters: this poster is a well known anti vaxxer who posts anti vax lies and disingenuous links alllll the time.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #35)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 06:31 AM

36. Actually you are at risk for serious illness and death even

Though you received the vaccine IF you are elderly.
Covid has always been primarily a threat to the elderly.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #35)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 07:46 AM

37. +1

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #35)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 09:18 AM

39. How it is allowed to continue, I cannot guess

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Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #39)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 05:49 PM

47. Agree completely. n/t

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Response to womanofthehills (Reply #28)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 09:18 AM

40. Mostly that's in the elderly who were first in line a year ago

And their immunity has waned since.

Which is why it's vitally important to get your booster NOW.

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Response to womanofthehills (Reply #28)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:14 PM

43. I agree, there are reasons why the protection doesn't last or respond well. nt

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Response to jmbar2 (Original post)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 03:39 AM

31. In the past....hours



South Africa to be put on Englandís travel red list over new Covid variant
Flights from six countries will be banned as officials review travel measures after scientists voice concern over variant

Thu 25 Nov 2021 16.22 EST
...
In the past 48 hours, South African scientists reviewed PCR test data from the Gauteng region and discovered the variant appeared to be behind the increase in cases, having risen to account for about 90% of cases in a matter of weeks. At a national level, South Africaís daily number of infections hit 1,200 on Wednesday, up from 106 earlier in the month.

Speaking at a hastily called news conference on Thursday, the virologist Tulio de Oliveira said: ďWe can see very early signs that this lineage has rapidly increased in prevalence in Gauteng and may already be present in most provinces.Ē
Snip



More at the link.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/25/scientists-call-for-travel-code-red-over-covid-variant-found-in-southern-africa?fbclid=IwAR2zN-4mvmX6jtEVOki3OyHDhcvUjYfsZfgW3tMLJZmdKxeoagLjoJ7KWkc

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Response to jmbar2 (Original post)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 09:12 AM

38. Where does this variant stand for mortality?

Are more people dying or is it too early to tell?

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #38)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 09:20 AM

41. Very good question!

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #38)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:25 PM

44. It's way too early to know mortality. At least one vaccinated person in Hong Kong is asymptomatic .

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Possibly both, but it wasn't clear. In Hong Kong if you test positive you're hospitalized, so there's no reason to light our hair on fire over that bit. Both cases were double vaxxed 6 months ago, so boosters may have prevented infections. We don't know yet.

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Fri Nov 26, 2021, 03:26 PM

45. Ah. Ding. Say no more.

I bet this depraved clout chaser has been popping hopeful wood about Nu, or whatever itís being called now. Gotta build up that brand.

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