A lot is being made of polls showing support for stricter gun laws is at a 10 year low.

[AndyS]

Can we look at this in context?

57%, a clear majority, want stricter laws on guns and gun ownership.
34% say, 'Meh, just leave them alone we have other priorities.'
A whopping 9% think the laws should be less strict. 9%!1!1!!

Doesn't take much to get gunners all aroused, does it?

[nycbos]

1. He is how you should look at poll results regardless of the results

[Hoyt]

2. Thanks for the facts and context.

[SoCalDavidS]

4. Stricter Gun Laws?

Don't make me laugh!

That ship has sailed.

If anything, we have to hope the gun laws don't become more lenient. That's the direction America is headed.

But gun violence and the proliferation of weapons, is essentially an American tradition. We need to accept that.

The Great country that is America. LOL.

[maxsolomon]

6. Instead of "Lenient", we should call them "Liberal"

then Gunners wouldn't be for them.

[SoCalDavidS]

7. That's An Interesting Idea

Perhaps if Biden came out with a program to give every American a free AR-15, gun owners might actually believe he's not coming for their guns.

Oh.....who the fuck am I kidding. LOL.

[Scrivener7]

5. Gun humpers are masters of dishonesty and misdirection. It's in their nature.

[Busterscruggs]

8. I dont think we're as serious

As we should be about gun regulation. Any ideas about eliminating the problem are met with mockery and derision. Nobody needs to have a gun, that's why we have police in the first place.

[hack89]

9. It bounces around in a narrow range

Nothing really changes.

[SYFROYH]

10. The context also shows that support for gun control was once 70+%

Gun control advocates have lost significant support ever since the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994. If we stopped talking about gun bans, better yet declared no more federal gun bans, we could probably get some things done.

And it's not just in red states as the trends allowing the carrying of firearms in public shows.


Context indeed.

[AndyS]

13. Yeah, it's amazing how a small group of fanatics can bully politicians into ignoring the

huge majority of their constituents.

[SYFROYH]

15. A political scientist once told me there isn't a correlation between public opinion and new laws.

Sadly

[hack89]

17. First off, it is not a huge majority

Secondly, that support is not evenly distributed. There are more pro gun states than gun control states. CA and NY skew things.

[AndyS]

18. That's funny, the last I looked 57% was a much bigger majority than 9%. Like more than 5 times

bigger. Maybe gunner math is different?

[hack89]

21. Show me the distribution

Hillary had millions more votes than Trump yet she was not elected. See the parallel?

[AndyS]

23. nope

[hack89]

25. It has everything to do with the Senate

That is why your OP is meaningless. All the no votes in Wyoming and Montana cancel out the tens of millions more yes votes in California and NY. Basic civics.

[AndyS]

27. Then explain why 2/3 of Texans were over ruled by a hand full of gun nuts.

Nothing to do with the US senate or civics. Just bullying and intimidation.

The same way Republicans keep winning in Texas.

[hack89]

28. One state vs 50 states

Show why what happened once in Texas has anything to do with the absolute failure of gun control in America.

[AndyS]

30. .

[hack89]

32. You ran away from your OP

You posted a national poll yet all you are arguing is a single incident in Texas. Instead of banging your head, why not simply explain what that single law in Texas has to do with your OP. Surely you are not arguing that what happened there has happened exactly the same way in every state. Really?

[AndyS]

34. Not in EVERY state. Just most of them.

I have been doing this for 40+ years and I finally have an analogy for 'discussing' gun issues w gunners. It's just like arguing with anti vaxxers.

[hack89]

35. Now prove that a majority of people in a majority of states support gun control

With 40 years of experience you should have all the facts at your fingertips.

[Dial H For Hero]

31. I've seen support for gun control described as being like a wide but shallow river. That is,

a mile wide and a foot deep. While a majority of Americans will, when polled, express support for many gun control policies, instituting such laws doesn’t rank very high among their concerns (activists aside).

In contrast, gun enthusiasts are much more likely to rank gun politics as one of their most important issues. When acted upon, such beliefs give them political influence out of proportion to their numbers.

[fescuerescue]

11. Gun control should have been included in the infrastructure bill

With this sort of support it would be a slam dunk.

[PBC_Democrat]

12. Gun Control would have been a poison pill for the Infrastructure Bill

It would have eliminated the Republican support.

Also gun control is very much an urban vs rural issue.

My guess is that polls much higher in the cities and much lower in the suburbs.

[AndyS]

14. There is a line item for gun violence prevention at the local level.

$5 billion!

[hack89]

16. That support is misleading

It is how it is distributed that matters. Let’s not forget that Hillary got millions more votes than Trump. His were distributed better.

[AndyS]

19. Not really. Take Texas and the 'constitutional carry' (it's not) law.

More than 67% of voters polled disapproved of the bill yet it passed because a small group of Gun Owners of Texas camped out in legislator's offices. Like I said upthread, a small group of vocal fanatics can bully legislators.

[hack89]

22. At the national level gun control dies in the Senate

Because Wyoming and Montana have exactly the same number of Senators as NY and California. That's why your OP is meaningless. It completely ignores the political reality that has lead to a golden age of gun rights.

[AndyS]

24. What part of the Texas post did you not understand? nt

[hack89]

26. Your OP is a national poll so what does Texas have to do with anything?

You have not shown what happened in Texas has any relevance to the other 49 states.

[AndyS]

29. I surrender to your obviously superior intellect.

Still, a majority of Americans want stricter gun laws but can't have them largely because of gun lobby $.

A majority of Texans did not want unregulated carry yet had it forced on them by a few fanatics.

You blame it all on the US Senate yet the US Senate had nothing to do with Texas' 'constitutional carry'.

I do however agree that the whole senate is a clusterfuck and very much like a national gerrymander where a small minority claims outsized power and I see you agree with me in that if the People had their way there would be fewer guns which are much harder to purchase.

[hack89]

33. We can't have them because of the Senate. Basic civics. Nt

[PufPuf23]

20. The problem isn't so much but gun owners.

Too many people that think guns make them bad ass or more innocently believe that carrying a gun (except in extremely rare cases) makes them safer.

Far too many guns in circulation that have no true purpose (hunting, sport, actual security).

[Polybius]

36. Yeah but the ones who vote are the pro-gun crowd

Many who support more gun-control either don't vote or don't really consider it to be an important issue.