Doonesbury: "Owning the Libs"

[kpete]

BIGGER:
https://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2021/11/28

[JHB]

1. Bigger still...

[kpete]

4. I just LOVE

political cartoons and the way they can cut thru the crap & reveal the truth

[George McGovern]

6. Thank You JHB for "Bigger still."

[NurseJackie]

41. Smaller. 😜

[Omnipresent]

2. Contracting covid is a steep price to pay, for owning the Libs!

[PatSeg]

24. People really need to rethink their priorities

[patphil]

27. It could leave the "owner" bankrupt.

[IronLionZion]

42. Freedom isn't free

but vaccines are free

[Botany]

3. I have a friend who at 50 (he was a lawyer) went back to become a nurse.

2 things:

1) The need for nurses was so great that when he was about 80% through his R.N. program
they told his entire class that they were done and they were going to be licensed as R.N..

2) When he was working in a hospital he would have patients tell him that they could not have
C-19 and since he wasn't allowed to debate them he would just show them their O2 levels and
some of them would go down hill, be sent to the ICU, get put on a ventilator, and in most cases
die.

The level of disinformation and willful ignorance in America as per the virus, the disease, the
vaccines, and how to treat the disease is massive

BTW what I want to know is why TFG, Governors such as Abbot & DeSantis, and Fox News are trying
to deliberately spread the disease?

[Hortensis]

8. WHY is the question every person should be asking.

Come January, they'll have been at it for two years.

The CDC's death count, including excess deaths, was over 889,600, on the 24th, so in the 890,000s now.

[Botany]

9. DeSantis went to Yale and then got his J.D. @ Harvard and Abbott went to U.T. Austin for

business management and then onto Vanderbilt for law school they damn well know that masks
works and so do the C-19 vaccines do too. This is some really sick Machiavellian shit they are doing.

[berni_mccoy]

13. They want the population to be in a state of unrest.

This makes it ripe for violence.

[milestogo]

19. I don't know what "excess deaths" are

but Johns Hopkins says the US death toll is 776,537 today.

[Hortensis]

20. Deaths attributable to Covid even those it's not listed on death

certificates as a cause of death. It's an estimated figure, some estimates put it significantly higher.

It's important. I was surprised to learn that deaths from flu itself are always a small fraction of the deaths attributed to flu seasons. A large majority of them have other primary causes, #1 pneumonia, so much so that expected flu season totals are routinely determined by applying algorhythms to factor in calculated "excess."

[unblock]

21. Basically, how many more people die compared to normal times

It therefore includes not only people who died with Covid listed as the cause of death, but also people who died indirectly from the pandemic.

So, people who had an unrelated illness but couldn't get an icu bed because they were full of Covid patients.

People who put off cancer screenings due to fear of catching Covid, then died from cancer that wasn't detected early enough.

Etc.

[Hortensis]

31. Yes. That's where differences of opinion come from.

What should be included in this particular estimate. The CDC keeps it conservative and very supportable, I assume to weaken the inevitable arguments against.

[unblock]

34. Both numbers are important for different things

Some thing in war. Number of military casualties is important, but excess deaths matters as well (civilian casualties, or other deaths from again, worse access to good healthcare than usual, etc.)

I agree that the deaths directly attributable to Covid are least controversial. Not that the right wing didn't invent scandals like coroners lying for money or whatever....

[Hortensis]

35. Umhm. And local governments helping cover up the inexcusable.

A different form of owning the libs. Bastards.

[Eyeball_Kid]

22. It's strictly an economic calculation.

Media execs know the smell of money. And right wing media want to keep their viewers and listeners for the value of ad buys. So extending the anti-vaxx frames for the edification of millions conditioned to own the libs is a business decision.

They don’t care about the suffering and the deaths. They care about the ad buys. And the viewers don’t care about the suffering and the deaths (unless THEY are suffering). Instead, they are thrilled to be at war with libs while actually doing nothing but passively approving of the narratives.

[Hortensis]

25. I don't believe so. :) I'll offer an "absolute" statement of my own:

Everyone who assumes everything is always only about money are always wrong.

Money is not the only passion that drives humanity.

[Girard442]

30. The "why" is pretty clear.

The more people who die of COVID on Biden's watch, the better Trump looks by comparison.

The unvaxxed are cannon fodder.

[jaxexpat]

11. Elementary, my dear Botany. Because they get off on it.

They get to exercise their dominion of others by wagging their hoary insanity out in front of everybody like the classic cartoon villains they seek to be. And they are enriched by theses machinations. Enriched, while lauded by their peers, even held high by their detractors.

In the end, evil is its own reason. Darkness, colorless, permeates the canvas, erasing every memory of light as the day draws to a close.

So "sleep pretty darlin', do not cry, and I will sing a lullaby".

[JHB]

15. If waxed mustaches were in style, they'd be twirling them.

[jaxexpat]

16. What? they're NOT?

[malthaussen]

17. I think you are right.

I attribute it to schadenfreude, but your way is much more poetic.

-- Mal

[Hortensis]

12. Duplicate deleted.

[certainot]

26. limbaugh killed more people than hitler and stalin. not just by doing trump's work in denying

and politicizing COVID, mask and vax demonizing....

he led 1500 radio stations for 30 years with global warming denial, deregulation, smoking doesn't cause cancer, environmental opposition, stopping health care reform, and single payer, the drug war, iraq and afghanistan, and, and on and on. basically 'informing' electing and enabling the new sex on the wrong brain radical republican authoritarianism that has sabotaged american democracy and it's ability to lead the world in tackling major problems - like global warrming and covid

[electric_blue68]

28. Plus encouraging More racism, sexism etc ! 😔

What a horrific human being he was.

He was on the biggest AM station in the NE - WABC, who's signal could reach parts of the Mid West, I believe. 😑😔

I would listen to him at times because there were very few liberal, progressive radio talkers back then - it was like internally yelling at the TV type thing. My jaw would drop and sine of the sewage he speed! 😩

[certainot]

36. lack of his central messaging, his explaining the complexities and uncertainties of life

in absolutes was a way of continingg the craizy, allowing then to 'own the libs' instead of shoot them

[keithbvadu2]

33. '...why TFG,... , and Fox News are trying to deliberately spread the disease?'

'...why TFG,... , and Fox News are trying to deliberately spread the disease?'

Because they are mostly vaxxed and their own sheeple followers are expendable for the cause.

[cannabis_flower]

37. I think originally...

They thought it would spread in the big cities more and people in the big cities are more Democratic, even in the South. But it has kind of backfired because the people who are dying are Republicans. And they are doubling down because that’s their base and they don’t want to make their base mad.

[Ms. Toad]

38. An individual with medical training, telling someone their diagnosis

is not "debating."

[3catwoman3]

39. Having a nursing school lop off 20% of the educational program

…doesn’t seem like such a great idea. Would you want your doctor, dentist or pilot to be graduated having been taught only 80% of their curriculum?

It would be interesting to know what the pass rate was on these graduates’ board exams. It’s not up to a school to license grads. One must pass the NCLEX exam - National Council Licensing Exam.

[Botany]

40. They continued to get the rest of their education but they got their R.N.s early ...

... because the need for them was so great. My friend besides being a working nurse is
also working on his B.S. in nursing from OSU too although most of that is online.

I believe their licenses came from some kind of state board too.

[3catwoman3]

43. RN licenses can only come thru a state's board of nursing.

Is this Ohio, Oregon, or Oklahoma? Just curious.

Nursing education is a hot button topic for me. I recently retired after 48 years in the profession, 45/of them as a pediatric nurse practitioner. There have been many changes over those years, not all of them good, IMO.

When I finished nursing school “way back” in 1973, every state had different minimum passing scores and, IIRC, different tests. Exams were offered only twice a year and it took 6 months to get your results. We were allowed to work, but not allowed to used the RN designation after our names. IIRC, the allowed term was GN - graduate nurse. I could be wrong about that. It was along time ago.

At that time, there were 3 different levels of education for future RNs - associate degree, 3 yr diploma without college credit offered by hospitals, and bachelor’s degree. Everyone took the same exam, and everybody who passes got to call themselves an RN. Most of the 3 yr diploma programs, such as the ones our mothers or grandmothers attended, no longer exist.

20 years later, the NCLEX was introduced and the test was the same in all states. This is a good thing.

I know of no other profession that requires licensing, that has both 2 and 4 year degrees that result in the same title. Law doesn’t. Medicine doesn’t. Dentistry doesn’t. Education doesn’t. Aviation doesn’t. Why does nursing?

Sorry to run on. As I said, this topic pushes my buttons.

And I won’t even bother to get started on all the different way to get a masters or doctorate in nursing.

[The Jungle 1]

5. The plan is working!

Excellent. Said Mr. Burns as he rubbed his hands together.

[dalton99a]

7. Kick

[Icanthinkformyself]

10. I don't feel 'owned' yet.

Keep going, anti-vaxxers. I'll let ya know when I feel it.

[kpete]

14. well said

Happy holidays to you and yours,
kp

[WA-03 Democrat]

23. Me too

And it is a moving target. It’s subjective as hell and I’m not sure its even possible for me to feel “owned.” I admire their spirit and willingness to die for their misbeliefs.

Vaccines don’t work
Masks don’t work
Horse De-Wormer works great
I have “immunity if I say so” clearly does not work but keep trying you as you will find your genetic freak some day

[2naSalit]

18. Thank you!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

29. Another great Doonesbury strip

[Hekate]

32. The inestimable Doonesbury. Thanks.