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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSome insight into US Mail shipping and how to package items for it, from someone who hauls it.
Last edited Sun Nov 28, 2021, 05:15 PM - Edit history (1)
Sorry this is a bit long, but I hope to help you, dear reader, understand a bit more of what happens behind the scenes.
First, let me state that I work for a Postal Contractor and I am NOT an employee of the US Postal Service, so I do not speak for them in any official capacity, but I and my coworkers, along with tens of thousands of other drivers in this segment of the trucking industry, have an ID badge that will let me in the back door or onto the loading dock of virtually every postal facility in the country.
Also, this is by no means meant to be a comprehensive look at all aspects of mail transport. I'm just trying to give you an idea of what happens between the time you put a package into the system and when it arrives at the destination.
Last night I ran a short trip to the Post Office in a nearby medium sized city. The dock wasn't too busy so I took the opportunity to grab a few photos of my inbound and outbound loads in order to provide a little insight on how your packages are handled when they move between cities.
The first photo is inside the 53' trailer I pulled down from a large Network Distribution Center (NDC) to this local Processing and Distribution Center (P&DC). The trailer is loaded to the tail with "Gaylord" boxes on pallets. Each box is labeled with the destination zip code for the contents. That piece of paper is what is scanned as it comes off the truck, NOT the individual packages inside. That individual scanning may or may not occur later, depending on what happens to that particular container, whether it goes inside the facility for further sorting or is a "cross-dock" situation where it comes off my trailer and straight onto another truck;
These Gaylords are used year round, but their frequency increases this time of year. They are almost always loaded with parcels or similar bulk items, as opposed to loose, unsorted mail because they are not attached to the pallet. Very often they are loaded with a small fraction of their capacity, as shown below.
Because they are not attached to the pallet, they can and sometimes do slide off the pallet when being moved. This is not a regular occurrence, but it does happen.
The inbound mail has been offloaded and now the outbound is being loaded. These are "General Purpose Containers" or "GPC's (often called "Jeeps" ) and are just about the most common container I and others haul that is on wheels. These are used solely on trucks and NOT on the smaller blue van that comes by your house. Note the yellow metal device. That is a tow bar that has a spring to keep it upright when not in use. It allows these units to be towed by a tug and to have several of them strung together like a train. These tugs are in almost all the larger facilities in the country and are used to pull not only GPC's but the other types of rolling stock I show below. They will move them to and from the loading dock to a particular sort line or crew, depending on mail type and zip code. I took this picture particularly because of the way it is loaded and with what. Those are all identical Priority Mail boxes, probably from the same shipper. Note that they are not stacked neatly. This is because of the massive volume and time constraints in the major sorting centers where this type of mail is handled. There is just no way to properly stack each and every box, so.....bearing in mind the picture directly above, here is the first lesson I want to impart in this thread;
PACKAGE YOUR ITEMS IN A BOX LARGER THAN YOU THINK IS NEEDED AND PAD THE ITEM EXTREMELY WELL, ESPECIALLY IF IT IS FRAGILE IN THE SLIGHTEST.
Writing "Fragile, Handle With Care" on the outside of the package is pointless, trust me. It isn't as if no one cares, its more like, as I said above, the volume handled is just enormous. Postal workers just simply can not take the time to be as careful and delicate with your package as you might think they should be. This goes for UPS and FedEx as well. There is just no point in telling them something they are not prepared (or even able) to pay any attention to, so save your money buying useless Fragile labels or writing on the package!
This is what one of the Tugs looks like. They are able to pull all sorts of different devices and containers. They are all battery powered electric and the operator stands while riding it. Toyota also makes these.
This shot shows the netting that holds the mail in on many of these GPC's. Some have hard metal cage like fronts, but this style is very common. The latches that hold the netting in place can sometimes fail, and mail will fall out onto the floor, so again, package your items with these sorts of things in mind. You can see through the netting that the items inside are literally tossed in there.
GPC's will fit 3 across in a trailer or, when turned sideways, 2 across.
This photo shows the 3 primary types of wheeled containers I carry. On the left is an "OTR" or Over the Road" container, the short, square one is a Rigid Wire container, often referred to as simply a "Wire" as it is a wire framed box on wheels. These can be stacked 2 high and still fit inside a trailer. The ones on the right are more GPC's. I did not take this photo, but it does give an idea of the massive size of some of the buildings in the US Mail system. (Edit: The "CIN BMC" stands for Cincinnati Bulk Mail Center" The use of the descriptor "Bulk Mail Center" has given way to "Network Distribution Center". Even though it says that, the CIN BMC does not really own this unit, they probably stenciled it on there to give it a home. It might sooner or later get back there, but no one is falling over themselves to send it back to southern Ohio!)
This is a shot I took earlier in the year inside a newer P&DC in Portland, Oregon. It's actually right on the Portland Airport property. From that spot to the far wall is about 200 yards. Just on the other side of that yellow upside down "U" shaped bollard is a line of new sorting machines. There is a similar line opposite, on the right. Here is where that building is. It is typical for a major P&DC, but certainly not the largest, by any means, measuring 1166' X 670' or about 18 acres under one roof. This facility has about 85 loading bay doors. The NDC I haul out of regularly has 166. The primary difference between an NDC and a P&DC is the latter "Sorts for the street", handles semi truck traffic as well as straight trucks and loads the blue trucks that come by your house. An NDC handles ONLY tractor trailers and large straight truck traffic and only sorts down to Zip Code.
One of the issues that result in damaged or destroyed mail is improper loading of trailers. It's clear that the Gaylords are no match for a large, aluminum OTR container. What happens sometimes is a Mail Handler will load a trailer with Gaylords and then just before the trailer is to depart, the sort line will send out a couple wires or OTR's at the last minute (Our trips are scheduled like an airline, so this sort of latecomer is not unusual). The equipment is held in place by ratchet straps, so if the heavier equipment is loaded behind the lighter boxes, and no strap is installed to keep them from rolling forward, the Gaylords can and do get crushed when the truck driver has to apply his brakes hard. This sort of thing happens all too frequently but it isn't common, I would say. The facilities that have good dock managers who train their personnel properly and those people are conscientious, tend to make sure that sort of situation is mitigated. It is the often overworked or poorly trained people that load trailers improperly, and that is where problems arise.
Very often I am picking up a loaded trailer with a seal on the door, so I have no idea how it is loaded. Also as regularly, I do a "Swap" where another driver will meet me halfway to a destination and we will swap trailers, and I will have no idea how his trailer is loaded either.
Last year I had a situation where the trailer was loaded improperly and a hard braking incident occurred. 2 or 3 heavily loaded OTR and wire containers slid forward into several lightweight Gaylords, basically destroying them and spilling mail on the floor of the trailer. When the trailer was loaded, ratchet straps were placed across the trailer, holding in the last pieces of rolling stock. But when the braking occurred and the equipment slid forward, these straps are now doing nothing, and it allowed the rolling stock to move about until the trailer hit the dock at the destination. The majority of the mail survived OK and was picked up off the floor of the trailer and placed in a wire for re-sorting but a few pieces were caught under the wheels of the rolling stock and were obliterated.
One piece in particular caught my eye and I picked up what was left of it. It was a small "Baby Yoda" type doll that some loving person was sending to a child, and it would never arrive. The package and the address on the package were completely destroyed so as to make it impossible for it to be reconstructed. The package was no bigger than the item and was basically a toy off the shelf placed in an padded envelope. Based on what happened inside the trailer, the little guy didn't stand a chance. I'm not trying to be flippant here. I was truly saddened to know that this item was lost forever to the sender as well as the recipient. There was absolutely nothing that could be done. It went into the trash.
So PLEASE...package your items for shipment PROPERLY!! Pack them extra well, in a box at least half again as large as the item. Don't use padded envelopes for anything that isn't flat. Use bubble wrap and similar materials for padding inside the box. Consider that you are shipping a fresh egg and the packaging should be such that it can survive being thrown against a wall, or dropped off a 2 story building.
With very few exceptions, the people that work in this industry, both US Postal workers as well as FedEx and UPS really and truly do want to get your packages delivered on time and safely intact, but sometimes things happen that makes this impossible or delayed. You can help by properly preparing your item before it hits the loading dock.
Most of you know this, but the Zip Code is the MOST important line on an address. ALWAYS set the Zip Code apart from the state and if possible, make it a larger type.
Knowing what I know now, when I prepare a label or even a letter, I set out the address like this;
Joe Schmoe
123 Buggerall Blvd
Crapville, OK.
12345
I will make the zip code stand out because postal workers and scanning machines read addresses from the BOTTOM up, not the top down.
If you are at all interested in learning more about the equipment used and the procedures for them, this document discusses them in detail;
https://apwu.org/sites/default/files/po502_0.pdf
Thanks for taking the time to read this through. I hope I have shared some information that you found valuable.
Have a safe, healthy and happy holiday season!
KT2000
(20,597 posts)Thanks!
steventh
(2,143 posts)I'll use this information. Thanks for taking time to lay it out so completely.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)Glad you found it useful.
MineralMan
(146,341 posts)People don't really understand how the USPS handles mail. If they did, they'd be more careful with their addressing of mail.
I don't hand write any addresses any longer. I either print them on the envelopes or on labels.
I also use 14-point Arial Bold type for the To: Address and put everything in All caps format. Whenever possible, I use Zip+4, as well.
Anything to make the machine's job easier and more accurate.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)Make the job of the people trying to move your item easier, not harder!
MineralMan
(146,341 posts)I want my mail to get there, and on time, so I do what the USPS recommends. Why wouldn't I? Why wouldn't everyone?
lucca18
(1,244 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)PatSeg
(47,691 posts)Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)Back in January I was working a trip that loaded mail bound for Atlanta at a Surface Transportation Center out in Naperville, and I took that down to just north of Indianapolis where I swapped with a guy. His trailer made stops at Palatine, O'Hare and then got empty at Carol Stream.
I flew up there on the 2nd. I remember because I was driving down to meet the guy in Indy as the 1/6 disgrace was taking place.
a kennedy
(29,740 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)Since the "Zip Plus 4" adds more definition, it helps the street level sort, but much of what I haul is only sorted to the first 3 numbers of the code!
So absolutely use those extra 4 digits if you have them.
chia
(2,244 posts)the first time this year for family who've moved out of state, and I'm glad I saw this before choosing a box size.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,435 posts)I've always suspected that "fragile" labels were worthless, for the reasons you spell out.
I always use zip+4, and have occasionally received letters that were wrongly addressed, but because they had the zip+4 correct the machines sent it to me.
And, is Crapville OK right across the border from Dryheave KS?
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)It's not Middleofnowhere, OK, but you can see it from there!
SouthernDem4ever
(6,617 posts)there are still fox news and qanon supporters who will read this and send their packages to"
Joe Schmoe
123 Buggerall Blvd
Crapville, OK.
12345
Wild blueberry
(6,673 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)spooky3
(34,510 posts)To facilitate machine reading?
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)But I think a good rule of thumb would be, if it is easier for you to read, it will be easier for a machine.
The software is rather remarkable, though.
I subscribe to the "Informed Delivery" service where they send you an email with pictures of the mail on it's way to you. The photos are taken by the machine as the item goes by at high speed. The system captures a perfectly readable photo and matches it to your email. When you think of exactly what it's doing, it is really quite fascinating.
spooky3
(34,510 posts)ShazzieB
(16,585 posts)Seriously, I had no idea this existed until now. I just signed up, and it immediately showed me pics of mail that's on the way. Amazing!
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)It comes in handy, to be sure.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)is moved by contractor services.
Mail to the smaller towns and smaller facilities, like the one that handles my zip code (and probably yours) , is moved by US Mail trucks.
ShazamIam
(2,577 posts)is already occurring in the Postal Service, next thing you know they will be telling us it is worthless and just give it away to some contractor.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)Last edited Mon Nov 29, 2021, 11:20 PM - Edit history (1)
I used to haul cars, and worked for a firm that hauled out of the Ford Wayne Assembly plant. At the time the Ford Expedition and the Lincoln Navigator were built there.
Directly across the street, literally visible from the doors the finished units exited the plant, is a Ford dealership.
The Expeditions sold at that store had the exact same transportation fee as a dealer in Anchorage would have.
Think of your $.55 stamp the same way.
The price doesnt vary if I carry your mail 10 miles or 3000.
And by the way, the use of mail contractors has been the norm for decades. Its not new.
ShazamIam
(2,577 posts)paying a surcharge that delivers profits to a few instead of good wages and benefits to many. And as you saw in the article, no one cares about damage. There is no accountability for mishandling. Profit first, not service first.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)Article? Do you mean the Original Post up at the top? The one that I WROTE? Me? A HERETIC I AM?!?
Nowhere, and I mean NOWHERE did I say or even suggest that "no one cares about damage". That is not the point I was trying to convey, and insinuating it was is disingenuous. I said "It isn't as if no one cares, its more like, as I said above, the volume handled is just enormous." Which in no way means anything like "no one cares about damage".
You clearly have no idea what goes into moving the amount of packages the Post Office handles and how things are managed. THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY, ON THE ORDER OF 99.999% of US Mail arrives at it's destination safely and damage free. It is not 100% to be sure, but if you saw inside even one of the large sorting centers during a major sort process, you could get a tiny idea of the almost incomprehensible overall volume nationwide. The USPS makes FedEx and UPS look like pikers when it comes to handling individual pieces on a daily basis. The fact that more items aren't damaged is a testament to the procedures that have been in constant development for well over 2 centuries and the fine people who implement them
THAT is an opinion, one that you are entitled to, but one that is clearly born from an inaccurate understanding of how things work in the industry I am involved in.
Have a great day and a happy holiday season.
ShazamIam
(2,577 posts)much higher rates?
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)Never mind. I think I get it.
Private corporation that makes a profit = Horribly bad
Amorphous alternative = Good.
The purpose of my OP was to give a little insight as to why it is important to properly package your items when sending them through the mail, THAT'S ALL!!
You seem to insist on arguing a larger economic or social justice point which is irrelevant to the story, and as such, I'm done with you.
If you want to demonstrate to everyone your holier-than-thou perspective on how private companies should not perform service for the public good, PUT UP YOUR OWN FUCKING THREAD ABOUT IT, FOR FUCKS SAKE!
ShazamIam
(2,577 posts)the post. I made a comment that indicates I think too much is being privatized, at the USPS in particular.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)Thanks so much - very informative.
I always enjoy learning the HOW behind things.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)Blue Dawn
(892 posts)I read every single word and found your information incredibly helpful. I do send a lot of packages to relatives and friends. I always use bubble wrap and Styrofoam peanuts and those awesome little bags filled with air but I don't usually use a bigger box. I will start doing that now. Also, I have never put the zip codes in bold print or on a separate line, so I will start doing that now. (I didn't know the machines read from the bottom up!)
I did assume that writing FRAGILE on a package was probably pretty meaningless since they have to deal with thousands and thousands of packages. I don't see how they possibly could give special attention to certain packages.
I am always fascinated by bshind-the-scene photos and stories about what takes place in businesses, so I really enjoyed your post....and I learned some valuable information.
Again, thanks so very much!!
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)I'm very happy you and so many others found this valuable.
Happy holidays!
Blue Dawn
(892 posts)dchill
(38,578 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)eppur_se_muova
(36,309 posts)... just how little common sense some people have about how to pack items for shipping (by ANY carrier or means of transportation imaginable).
I received a PC graphics card about 1" thick (two PCIe slots, for those familiar) in a manila envelope. Did I say PADDED manila envelope ? I did not. I knew what it was when I received it because I could look through the enormous hole in the envelope torn by the sharp corners of the bracket. Anti-stat bubble-pak ? HA ! Get serious ! Amazingly, it worked anyway.
I received a laptop computer in an oversized box with loose chunks of styrofoam. Not peanuts or chips, just big, broken-up chunks, with lots of empty air for it all to rattle around in. The latch had opened during shipping so the laptop was open when I opened the box. Amazingly, it was not damaged either.
I have received any number of CDs, in their fragile (acrylic?) "jewel" cases, shipped internationally in *thin* cardboard envelopes. I invested in a stock of empty jewel cases to replace the lids which so often arrive with one or more hinges broken off, or huge splits in the middle. Shattered corners are not that rare either. Sadly, this included one custom cardboard-and-plastic three-disk case. BTW, that box of 100 empty cases arrived with several broken, because they were packed in a just-barely-fitting corrugated cardboard box. I have become pretty proficient at "stripping" old cases and putting the inserts into new cases; a 0.5mm mechanical pencil comes in handy to remove the "daisy" trays. It's surprisingly common to find the ONLY damage is that some of the petals of the daisy are broken, so that it no longer holds the CD in place -- evidently, a sharp blow sideways allows the CD itself to just guillotine some of the petals off. I've found the petals loose in the case several times.
I received a one-piece soprano saxophone with a bent neck because it was just put in its case and dropped into a shipping box. A little padding around the neck would have prevented any damage. A second was shipped in an oversize case (actually meant for an alto) with no extra padding. Pro instrument dealers know to stabilize the keys with cork wedges and put extra padding inside the case, no matter how plush it looks. Then wrap HEAVY padding around the case, and ship in a box twice the size of the case.
I have always used the eBay comments to note when an order was incompetently packed, or to heap praise on very good examples ("real PRO packing job" is one I used when comments were limited to 80 characters). Now that longer comments are allowed I get pretty descriptive. Some of the worst offenders seem to have left eBay shortly afterwards, though I doubt I get any responsibility for that. Some people seem to close their accounts and open new ones repeatedly, to clear their records of complaints. A family member got ripped off by someone like that, and found about her more extensive record only afterward.
****
Thanks for all the explanation about how packages are moved. Reading what happened to baby Yoda probably explains how it was that I once received a CD which had been creased in two places. Have you ever tried to even BEND a CD ? They're Mylar, and nearly bulletproof ! How the heck could you *crease* one, except by running over it with steel wheels ? Now I think I know. (Amazingly, the "daisy" insert was intact !! )
Enjoy your time in Crapville !
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)We do see the shipments, and I get what you are saying. The Saxophone story is kind of heartbreaking!
Glad you liked the post.
alwaysinasnit
(5,077 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,321 posts)The pics were very helpful!
Thanks for the inside look.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)I'm pleased so many have enjoyed it.
housecat
(3,121 posts)stop putting boxes of fragile taco shells (the ones that break just looking at them) in flat bubble envelops
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)so any advice this lowly trucker might give will surely fall on deaf ears!
I'm happy you enjoyed the post.
SYFROYH
(34,185 posts)I learned to assess letter and packages with the zip code larger than the rest of the address and all cap the last name.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)And yes, doing that absolutely helps.
littlemissmartypants
(22,841 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)Hekate
(90,931 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)Stay safe and well!
Alice Kramden
(2,168 posts)really good information - thanks!
calimary
(81,557 posts)Thank you so much for sharing this. SOOOOOOO relevant and helpful, especially at this time of year!
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)NJCher
(35,788 posts)thank you for taking the time to enlighten us, A Heretic.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)and please, call me AHIA!
LOL......
Martin68
(22,932 posts)pnwmom
(109,020 posts)ever since the Post Office became heavily mechanized. The machines aren't reading these labels and deciding to be extra careful with the packages!
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)are still, to borrow a trucking phrase, "Fingerprinted", meaning someone touches it and moves it. There are certainly a lot of facilities that have the equipment that can automatically read addresses and sort into different areas, but many of the smaller facilities are still using human eyes and hands to place a box or package from one bin to another.
But if you can imagine working in such a place just after I or another driver like me bumps the dock with a full load like I picture, and it has to all be gone through in a matter of say 2 hours, in order to go back on other trucks to move further on.
Those people are picking it up, looking at the zip, tossing (literally) it into the correct bin or GPC and so on and so forth till the rush slows down.
A place like....Bozeman, MT for example. Or Ocala Maricamp. Both facilities of comparable size, with 4 or 5 loading doors, but they sort incoming mail for the street for numerous other Zip Codes nearby as well as sort outgoing mail for transport to the nearest large distribution center.
It might be dead slow until their regularly scheduled truck arrives from out of town, then all hell breaks loose inside when that mail hits the floor.
pnwmom
(109,020 posts)that is designed for speed and efficiency above all else.
Thanks for the suggestion to use larger boxes with lots of padding. Now I understand better why Amazon seems to send such wastefully large boxes.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)I ordered a plastic wheel stop for my garage from Amazon.
It came in a Tyvec type envelope. That's perfectly fine because the thing is basically indestructible.
But Amazon does seem to have learned that lesson about over-packaging.
It looks wasteful, but at least your item isn't damaged when it arrives!
ShazzieB
(16,585 posts)When I was reading the o.p., I was reminded of how many things I've received from Amazon in boxes that seemed unnecessarily large to me. I now know that actually means that they were doing it right!
mountain grammy
(26,663 posts)I'm in awe of any piece of mail getting where it's supposed to but most of the time it does. My thanks to all who make it happen.. and I will follow all your advice.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)elleng
(131,265 posts)rsdsharp
(9,223 posts)and thought it overly long. NOPE!
My apologies. This is just as long as it needs to be, is very well written, quite interesting and full of valuable information, as well as fascinating pictures.
Many thanks for this!
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)There is certainly a line where a post becomes tedious. I try as best I can to stay on topic.
Thanks for having the patience and giving it a read.
rsdsharp
(9,223 posts)Hell, at first glance it looked like something Id write.
halobeam
(4,873 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)4dog
(505 posts)and taking the time to write so much.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)JI7
(89,281 posts)Follow some workers and learn what goes on in this industry. Especially for the holiday season.
I will keep in mind the tips about zip code on packages.
I have a business and want to do more online orders and this provided some useful info.
BumRushDaShow
(129,805 posts)This is something that I have always made a point to do AND try to make the numbers as unambiguous as I can since I had heard years ago that they are electronically scanned, and that is what gets the sorting process going.
I remember back in school how they used to pound us on making sure that numbers were clear because you could have a "9" be confused with a "4" or a '5" mistaken for a "6". I have even seen fonts used for printed items like bills, and pre-printed envelopes, that have the "6" look almost like an "8".
This was an excellent OP and appreciate the detailed look "behind the scenes".
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)From what I know about the large sorters, they will kick out anything they can't read into a bin that has to then be done by hand.
That obviously slows things down. And you're right, a good, clear font is important.
Sorta like this place! Their signs on the highway are even worse!
https://goo.gl/maps/yGow1L7Crjn74pcS6
LOL....
Glad you liked the post!
BumRushDaShow
(129,805 posts)flying rabbit
(4,644 posts)Thank you.
ARandomPerson
(2,406 posts)OldBaldy1701E
(5,190 posts)Putting 'Fragile' on things is for legal purposes. But, I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time. Won't be the last.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)My point is that placing a fragile sticker on a parcel or writing it on does little to change behavior.
OldBaldy1701E
(5,190 posts)Which means there are no consequences for this behavior, or it would not happen with such regularity, yes? (I am seriously asking. I do not know the inner workings of our postal services.)
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and that "nobody cares" or has the time (especially sorting machines and forklift drivers) but someone might see it and someone might care. At the very least, the recipient of the fragile gift will know that THEY should be careful when opening the box. (And they'll know that I cared enough to try.)
It's AMAZING that so many eBay and Etsy sellers have NO CLUE about how to package things safely. (I try to avoid sellers who offer "free" shipping because I know that they'll skimp on the packing supplies.)
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)What I said was
It isn't as if no one cares,.
Because no one wants to intentionally damage a package or destroy the contents.
Putting on a Fragile label certainly does no harm, and youre right, someone might see it and take measures because of it. That person is most likely going to be the driver of the little blue and white truck bringing it to your house.
In other words, the last person to handle it.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... it costs nothing and it's worth a try. Just one of many things that the shipper can do.
Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)renate
(13,776 posts)Its like those How Things Work shows... its always fascinating to learn about behind-the-scenes stuff. Thank you!!
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)hay rick
(7,650 posts)Your post brings back a lot of memories- I retired as a city carrier a little over a decade ago. I made more than a few trips to the local SCF and occasional trips to larger facilities, mostly as overtime work during the holiday season when the regular scheduled trips were inadequate. I loaded and unloaded many a GPC. The locks were often problematic. We red-tagged the worst ones and hoped not to see them again the next day.
Old Crank
(3,656 posts)Was in CA for Sept to clear stuff out of our house. While going through our things I ended up at the local post Office a fair amount as I sent photos and other knick knacks to people instead of tossing the stuff. Even stuff to my ex. The people were very helpful and courteous.
I had some things that I wanted to ship to my home in Germany. The USPS was the cheapest. I got good information from the staff about maximum weight and max box measurements. Ended up shipping a 52 lb. Box for less than half the cost of the cheapest companies. It arrived in Munich intact before I got back.
Great service. Sent them a postcard with a thank you note.
We need to fund this constitutional requirement.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)Im glad your items arrived safe and sound
TeamProg
(6,321 posts)in case the outside label is destroyed.
I've also read that receiver's address IN ALL CAPS IS BETTER.
JOE SCHMOE
123 STREET ROAD LANE AVE
CITY USA 12345
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)If the sender of the little Yoda in my OP had done that, it probably would have been salvaged
reACTIONary
(5,789 posts)canetoad
(17,202 posts)This is an insanely interesting post on a subject that I have taken for granted all my life. Much appreciated.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)FakeNoose
(32,841 posts)Thanks for this excellent post!
I believe the U.S. Postal Service can be saved, as long as we get rid of the Evil Weasel Repukes (DeJoy and his buddies).