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Mon Nov 29, 2021, 12:11 PM

Omicron extremely mild no hospitalizations

https://qz.com/2095354/what-are-the-symptoms-of-the-omicron-variant/amp/

The South African doctor who first identified the omicron variant that is spreading in the country and abroad has described the symptoms as she observed them in her patients, stating that the strain is so far producing “very, very mild” effects in them.

Dr Angelique Coetzee told BBC News that she had first noticed the symptoms in a young, male patient around the age of 30 whom she normally knew to be very healthy. He was “extremely tired” as well as having “body aches and pains with a bit of a headache,” a “scratchy” rather than sore throat, and no cough or loss of taste or smell, she said. The doctor was speaking about her experience of a small group of patients, and not making general comments about how all patients will experience it.

What are the symptoms of the omicron variant?
Coetzee tested the man for covid-19 and found him to be positive, then tested his family and found them all to have the virus, despite showing only “very, very mild symptoms,” she said.

For the rest of the day, people kept presenting at her surgery with similar symptoms, and all tested positive. Noticing that the symptoms seemed to differ from the delta variant, which had hitherto been the most prevalent form of covid globally, she alerted the country’s vaccines committee, of which she is a member. They announced their resultant discovery of the omicron variant a few days later.

Perhaps reassuringly for those who are worrying about this new development, Coetzee noted that none of the cases she knew of were serious. “What we are seeing clinically in South Africa, and remember that I’m at the epicenter, that’s where I’m practicing, is extremely mild…We haven’t admitted anyone [to hospital]. I spoke to other colleagues of mine: The same picture,” she told the BBC.
However, she did caution that the picture might change in the next weeks.

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Reply Omicron extremely mild no hospitalizations (Original post)
live love laugh Nov 29 OP
Hugh_Lebowski Nov 29 #1
True Dough Nov 29 #5
FirstLight Nov 29 #30
Girard442 Nov 29 #2
Tanuki Nov 29 #3
greenjar_01 Nov 29 #4
Scrivener7 Nov 29 #8
GusBob Nov 29 #14
FirstLight Nov 29 #31
ornotna Nov 29 #9
Blues Heron Nov 29 #33
greenjar_01 Nov 29 #34
Scrivener7 Nov 29 #41
greenjar_01 Nov 29 #42
Scrivener7 Nov 29 #43
greenjar_01 Nov 29 #45
LisaL Nov 29 #35
greenjar_01 Nov 29 #44
Scrivener7 Nov 29 #6
durablend Nov 29 #15
roamer65 Nov 29 #7
Scrivener7 Nov 29 #10
former9thward Nov 29 #47
Scrivener7 Nov 29 #48
tblue37 Nov 29 #11
Delmette2.0 Nov 29 #26
womanofthehills Nov 29 #40
crickets Nov 30 #56
Tomconroy Nov 29 #12
Hortensis Nov 29 #13
Initech Nov 29 #16
Hortensis Nov 29 #17
Texin Nov 29 #22
Initech Nov 29 #23
Scrivener7 Nov 29 #24
Tomconroy Nov 29 #38
uponit7771 Nov 30 #54
yaesu Nov 29 #18
Scrivener7 Nov 29 #25
jalan48 Nov 29 #19
speak easy Nov 29 #20
NickB79 Nov 29 #21
Tomconroy Nov 29 #39
Raftergirl Nov 29 #27
RedArkGuy Nov 30 #57
relayerbob Nov 29 #28
wnylib Nov 29 #29
LisaL Nov 29 #36
wnylib Nov 29 #46
Pobeka Nov 29 #50
uponit7771 Nov 30 #55
wnylib Nov 30 #60
Pobeka Nov 30 #61
Scrivener7 Nov 30 #58
LisaL Nov 30 #62
LisaL Nov 29 #32
Shermann Nov 29 #37
FreeState Nov 29 #49
Pobeka Nov 29 #51
FreeState Nov 29 #52
Pobeka Nov 29 #53
Patton French Nov 30 #59
BannonsLiver Nov 30 #63
GusBob Nov 30 #64
Angleae Nov 30 #65
LisaL Nov 30 #66

Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 12:20 PM

1. Well that's certainly good news!

However, mutations that are presenting in general are worrisome, might not get so lucky next time.

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Response to Hugh_Lebowski (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 12:27 PM

5. Exactly what I was thinking

I don't wish for a virulent mutation but the fact that Omicron is giving impressions of being mild will have many on the right spewing about how the left is always blowing things out of proportion relating to Covid. But the more people downplay the virus and fail to get vaccinated, the more likely it is that a truly nasty strain is going to land on our doorsteps. They just don't get that concept!

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Response to True Dough (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 03:22 PM

30. Agreed...

While on the one hand I think this will become our "new normal" and there's always gonna be a variant or two in play, That doesn't mean that ALL of them are gonna be "weaker".

And I know of a couple anti-vaxers who have the mindset of ..."See? It's not as bad as you say!"

That mentality is dangerous IMO

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 12:21 PM

2. One has to be very cautious about both the positive and negative stories...

...Still, I'd rather be here than in most of the scenarios I can imagine.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 12:23 PM

3. Others are saying it's too early to generalize from this sample,

as the cluster at a university in Praetoria led to an over-representation of young, healthy people who usually fare relatively well with covid.

https://www.who.int/news/item/28-11-2021-update-on-omicron

..."Severity of disease: It is not yet clear whether infection with Omicron causes more severe disease compared to infections with other variants, including Delta.  Preliminary data suggests that there are increasing rates of hospitalization in South Africa, but this may be due to increasing overall numbers of people becoming infected, rather than a result of specific infection with Omicron.  There is currently no information to suggest that symptoms associated with Omicron are different from those from other variants.  Initial reported infections were among university students—younger individuals who tend to have more mild disease—but understanding the level of severity of the Omicron variant will take days to several weeks.  All variants of COVID-19, including the Delta variant that is dominant worldwide, can cause severe disease or death, in particular for the most vulnerable people, and thus prevention is always key. "...(more)

 

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 12:25 PM

4. Cassandras gonna hate this

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Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 12:34 PM

8. There has been a group here who has consistently ridiculed those who are concerned

and cautious about a deadly pandemic. I find those people to be as hilarious as they are dim-witted.

So far in the pandemic, the concerned and cautious have been right to be concerned and cautious at every turn.

I'd bet money that the ridiculers have never noticed that they have been wrong at every turn. They seem to feel themselves a superior bunch.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 01:16 PM

14. 'tis indeed curious

its almost as if the ridiculers think a COVID variant is-dare a say it- a hoax

Delta put the whack on my entire family after a funeral we had put off for 1.5 years. Now with Christmas coming up I'm gonna pay attention and remain informed about COVID variants

I am thankful for the information that was posted here in the past few days. And the second sentence in post #8 is spot on

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Response to GusBob (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 03:27 PM

31. Holiday gathering...

So many folks were really upset about isolating last year so now it's gonna be a free-for-all...

Kinda glad that this hit when our family's grankids (myne & sister's kids)hit adulthood and moved out, and my folks are to frail to have big gatherings anymore.
I have no plans to spend it anywhere but here...and I'm honestly re-thinking my current job at a hotel and seeking remote or tutoring gigs.

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Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 12:35 PM

9. I don't believe you n/t

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Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 04:01 PM

33. In the myth Cassandra was right

Her particular curse was that she was given the power of true prophecy but doomed to have the morons around her constantly disbelieve her.

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Response to Blues Heron (Reply #33)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 04:25 PM

34. I always identify people in the way they prefer to be identified

Even if it is clownish self-flattery.



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Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #34)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 08:08 PM

41. Good effort at a save. It almost covers up the fact that you didn't really understand

the context of your own statement.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #41)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 08:13 PM

42. Riiiiiight

Since we're giving each other compliments, that was a nice skirting of the personal attack rules upthread. Appreciate your skilled language use, friendo!

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Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #42)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 08:15 PM

43. It was merely an observation about buffoons.

Not personal unless one is a buffoon.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #43)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 08:16 PM

45. Oh well done

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Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 04:31 PM

35. Get a clue.

NT

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Response to LisaL (Reply #35)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 08:16 PM

44. Right on cue!

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 12:27 PM

6. If this bears out, this could be the end of the pandemic! Waiting for official

notices of this news, but this is very hopeful.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 12:30 PM

7. The virus could be moderating.

More infectious and less virulent is the usual evolutionary path for a virus.

Rather similar to the timeline of the 1918 flu virus if so.

🤞

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 12:35 PM

10. It's been weird how much this has resembled the course of the 1918 flu. I guess we don't

evolve much.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 08:40 PM

47. In a hundred years?

The human body does not evolve at all in that period.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 12:39 PM

11. It will be interesting to see if those with very mild Omicron symptoms escape long haul effects.

Last edited Mon Nov 29, 2021, 04:24 PM - Edit history (1)

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 02:45 PM

26. That's my question!

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 05:07 PM

40. Interesting that they supposedly don't get loss of taste & smell

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 01:37 AM

56. Yep. This is the big question mark. nt

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 12:49 PM

12. I think it's best to hope for the best and get vaccinated.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 12:57 PM

13. Until most of the world is immunized there will be new "variants of concern."

Omicron isn't the last by any means.

However, the usual life course of a virus is to become less lethal. Presumably that's what happened to the "common cold" viruses, perhaps starting out killing their hosts but achieving viral superstar success as permanent, endemic nuisances.

I'm wondering if Omicron is following that pattern. It's taking over from other SARS-CoV-2 mutations where it's spreading, and it may well be less lethal. ??

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 01:33 PM

16. That's exactly what happened with influenza.

It got more lethal, then it got less lethal, and eventually became an every day virus that we have to deal with. We never have and probably never will eradicate the flu. And we will most likely never get rid of COVID. But it will just keep becoming less lethal. We're all going to get it at some point, but I'd much rather have a mild cough than two weeks in the ICU or die.

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Response to Initech (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 02:01 PM

17. Yes. Interestingly, I was surprised to learn that only a fraction

those who die from "the flu" are actually killed by the flu viruses themselves, but rather from other causes it opens the door to, the pneumonia virus #1. Deaths attributable to flu virus alone are so low and misleading about the actual danger that experts calculate an algorhythm or multiplier from various factors to estimate how many are really expected to die from the next flu epidemic. The things you learn these days.

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Response to Initech (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 02:23 PM

22. Well, that "every day virus" (flu) kills a lot of people every year in this country

and worldwide too. Because the Omicron variant appears at this point to be less severe, it doesn't mean that future ones will be the same.

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Response to Texin (Reply #22)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 02:26 PM

23. Oh no we definitely haven't heard the last of COVID. It will be back.

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Response to Texin (Reply #22)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 02:40 PM

24. But only a fraction of what we have been told it kills.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/

In the last six flu seasons, the CDC’s reported number of actual confirmed flu deaths—that is, counting flu deaths the way we are currently counting deaths from the coronavirus—has ranged from 3,448 to 15,620, which far lower than the numbers commonly repeated by public officials and even public health experts.

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Response to Texin (Reply #22)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 05:02 PM

38. Covid for the most part has been fatal to the elderly, even the

Vaxxed elderly and the seriously immuno compromised. For the rest of the vaccinated Covid is endemic and has been since the summer.

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Response to Initech (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 01:07 AM

54. +1, "We're all going to get it at some point, ..."

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 02:02 PM

18. That is what I read a few days ago, symptoms were fatigue with no loss of smell or taste. nt

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Response to yaesu (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 02:44 PM

25. And a scratchy throat with no cough. This is great news, but I am trying to hold

back on being joyful about it. We need to wait and see if these very mild symptoms bear out as the variant spreads.

But if they do, it's a game changer.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 02:11 PM

19. Good to hear

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 02:12 PM

20. Omicron Variant Drives Rise in Covid-19 Hospitalizations in South Africa

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 02:12 PM

21. WSJ: Omicron Variant Drives Rise in Covid-19 Hospitalizations in South Africa Hot Spot

https://www.wsj.com/articles/omicron-variant-drives-rise-in-covid-19-hospitalizations-in-south-africa-hot-spot-11638185629

JOHANNESBURG—The emergence of the Omicron variant of the coronavirus in South Africa has driven a sharp increase in Covid-19 hospitalizations in the country’s hot-spot province over the past two weeks, although fewer patients are being treated for severe disease than in previous surges, the country’s National Institute for Communicable Diseases said.

There has also been an unusually high number of hospitalizations of children under 2 years old around the capital, Pretoria.

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #21)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 05:07 PM

39. Oddly that province was by a far stretch the hot spot in the

Country during the summer delta wave. I don't know what that means.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 02:49 PM

27. Too small a sample size and too small an age range

to be determinant.

I’d wait until much more is known about Omicron to make any pronouncements as to how infectious it is or it’s severity.

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Response to Raftergirl (Reply #27)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 03:06 AM

57. Exactly right

This should not be regarded as evidence of any trend or tendency whatsoever. Too small a sample size. Too little variation of age groups in that sample size.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 02:56 PM

28. This is how most virus' mutate

Most tend to get weaker through time, as too high a mortality rate in the host is not a good evolutionary factor. Cautiously hopeful

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 03:02 PM

29. Omicron has shown up in the UK, Netherlands,

Italy, Portugal, Israel, and Canada.

Maybe more countries by now. So far, Portugal is reporting that cases have been mild and even asymptomatic. The lack of symptoms could account for its quick spread. If people don't know that they are infected, they are going about as usual, infecting people they come in contact with. That makes a good case for wearing masks.

We are lucky if it turns out to be mild. But there will still be some people with health conditions that make even a mild case dangerous for them.

I think that I will be seeing the omicron variant in my region very soon. The Canadian cases are in Ontario, which borders on NY state. One location is Ottowa, which is not as near to NYers. But the other location is Hamilton, which is across Lake Erie from northwestern PA and western NY. With the borders open now, people are crossing into and out of NY daily. Many NYers own camping and other properties in Ontario and vice versa. Others have jobs across the border. Niagara Falls brings people from around the world. It won't be long before western NY has omicron cases. Probably the same is true for NYC as an international port.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #29)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 04:33 PM

36. Hospitalizations are increasing in South Africa.

"Hospitalizations across the country have increased 63 percent since the beginning of November, according to data from the country’s National Institute for Communicable Diseases. In Gauteng, a province that includes the nation’s largest city, Johannesburg, hospitalizations are up nearly 400 percent since the beginning of the month, from 120 for the week ending Nov. 6 to 580 for the week ending Saturday."

https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/covid-19-hospitalizations-rising-south-africas-omicron-hot-spot-rcna6922

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Response to LisaL (Reply #36)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 08:35 PM

46. But are those hospitalizations

due to delta or omicron?

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Response to wnylib (Reply #46)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 10:29 PM

50. Delta has been present globally for many months now.

No reason to think this is Delta just now hitting S. Africa for the first time.

I'd say it is a new variant, or a change in social behaviour causing higher hospitializaion rates.

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Response to Pobeka (Reply #50)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 01:10 AM

55. Delta infections spiked here too for a short time, We'll see.

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Response to Pobeka (Reply #50)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 09:30 AM

60. I was not suggesting that delta had

just hit southern Africa. I know that it has been there a long time. But with delta, there are periods of spikes and leveling off, then spiking again, etc. I have been watching my county's statistics. I have seen that pattern
repeatedly in the county overall and in individual villages and hamlets in the county.


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Response to wnylib (Reply #60)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 10:15 AM

61. I did take it that way, thanks for clearing it up.

I guess I'd add the spike-level off-spike pattern happens regardless of the covid variant. It seems much more due to social behaviours (thinking the virus has been beaten, when it hasn't).

Cheers!

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Response to LisaL (Reply #36)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 08:32 AM

58. That's a big jump. I am going to hope that doctor's observations bear out, but I'm going to assume

they won't.

I have a relative in long term orthopedic rehab. I think I'll make a plan to get her home just in case.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #58)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 10:34 AM

62. Doctor's observation only pertain to her presumably small number of patients.

Who might be otherwise fit and healthy. Yet some people here assume that it will apply to everyone.

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 03:30 PM

32. Anecdotal evidence based on a small number of patients this particular doctor had.

Not a good idea to assume that's how it's going to be for everybody.
Already there is evidence hospitalizations in South Africa are going up.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #32)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 04:56 PM

37. Agreed...this one doctor is getting WAY too much press nt

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Response to LisaL (Reply #32)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 10:26 PM

49. Deaths have spiked too n/t

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Response to FreeState (Reply #49)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 10:30 PM

51. Do you have a source for that? TIA n/t

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Response to FreeState (Reply #52)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 10:41 PM

53. Thanks! nt

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 08:37 AM

59. Extremely good news! (n/t)

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 11:21 AM

63. I love that out very own

Clout chasing Debbie Downer showed up to sprinkle their doom dust all up and down the thread.

But they really do hope the pandemic ends some day. Really.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #63)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 11:32 AM

64. You keep using that term "clout chasing" and calling out posters with it

This is the third time I've counted. Its an urban slang thing or something?

Can you explain what it means with respects to COVID and posting about it on an anonymous news forum?

When one catches clout, what exactly do they do with it?

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Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 05:55 PM

65. So, basically, it's a cold?

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Response to Angleae (Reply #65)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 06:15 PM

66. No.

NT

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