In hindsight Hillary Clinton was way too mild

[malaise]

Deplorables barely touches the ReTHUG surface - we're watching a live Jerry Springer circus based on racism, religious bigotry and bullshit, led by elected lowlife ignorant fools some with mug shots for their own criminality.
These clowns and their leaders have to be removed.

[LT Barclay]

1. So was Gore, Kerry,

I can understand trying to take the"high road", but you also have to call them out and not look like an enabler.

[malaise]

2. Gore did enable them

He accepted a stolen election for no good reason. The Supreme Court was part of that theft and it needs to be revisited.

[exboyfil]

6. Gore should have had those briefs supplied by Trump's lawyers

Given he was both the candidate and the VP.

He should have had a bully mob storm the Supreme Court as well.

[Polybius]

25. I was shocked that he voted to certify

But I was young during that election, what did I know.

[exboyfil]

27. He deferred to the Supreme Court

for the good of the country. A better man than virtually all the high profile Republicans in the last 60 years.

In hindsight both Bill Clinton and Obama should have used the power of their office to maintain power it seems. It is the old gang motto - do it to them before they can do it to us. Also don't bring a knife to a gunfight.

I am just venting. I am not advocating treason. It just seems that maybe it is time to separate the country somehow. Our own India/Pakistan divide.

[LT Barclay]

7. Thinking about your original post,

I think the DNC needs a messenging director, a left Luntz if you will to develop very simple sound bites on key issues. For example:
Defense- any democratic reply should begin with "when was the last time a republican president won a war? I'll stick with the team that won world war 2"
Economy- "who led us out of the great depression?"
Simple, indisputable.

[Mr.Bill]

17. Yeah, having the President flying around the country

and standing in front of bridges giving speeches isn't enough. The opposition changes channels the minute Biden come on the screen. That's why they still genuinely think he is in the final stages of dementia, can't put a sentence together and stumbles around the White House bumping into things.

[Polybius]

26. At the time I agreed

But what could he have done?

[Duncanpup]

3. I think Hillary was civil malaise in 2016

Hillary or her people had no clue how wicked trumpig or his base is , and by the way only call me on my burner phone friend. Did you see mark meadows is now cooperating with 1/6 yea treasonous fuck doesn’t have cash for attorney like his orange messiah here’s hoping meadows and these traitor pigs do fed time.

[Budi]

4. 2016 Global Corporate Owned Billion$$ Media was way too kind to the undeserving.

Candidate Clinton warned & warned about the pending doom of an apocolyps, yet she was barely mentioned outside of the coded media words that repeated 24/7 on an endless loop, to define this brilliant leader.

'Un-Likeability'
'Establishment'
'Wall Street'
'Emails'
'Benghazi'
'War'
'Hair, Voice, Clothes...'
'Woman'

All in as negative & mocking & degrading as could be.

By Media & 2 aging white guys who had damned near Zero in their legislative record, nor productive business.
Records were scrubbed & never to be mentioned again.
Media was too kind in 2016 & they still are today.
Well, except if you're an accomplished woman, white or black. Humanitarian or global peacemaker.


Global Corporate Owned Billion$$ Media chose how to make the public think.

[betsuni]

21. Untrustworthy, hiding something, not transparent, dishonest, unpopular,

flawed candidate, no message, corrupt. These negative sound-bites repeated over and over and over and over until people believed in a fictional character. I even saw someone say today that Hillary and her people had no idea how wicked Trump or his base is! I wonder which fictional Hillary that idiot believes in.

[Budi]

22. K & R Thank You, betsuni.

We watched it all in real time.
It was a complete re-imaging of one of our most accomplished global humanitarians & legislative & policy voices.

Media NEVER told the truth about her nor apologized for their degrading hits, grinding her name in the dirt while elevating a corrupt mobbed up TV charletan loser, & an anti Democratic contender with a flat legislative record of accomplishment crediting his worth, other than authoring a piece on "Rape Fantasies."
MSM & Social Media, as Goebbels once said, 'Media told us how to Think'.

It was all a sham.
The Big Lie was actually told by Media.

[betsuni]

30. I still wonder what all that lying about Democrats as ideologically/morally bankrupt, failures,

beholden to wealthy donors and Wall Street, status quo, ignoring the middle/working classes/unions and having the same economic message as Republicans, corporatists, neoliberals, both sides, a normal paid speech at Goldman Sachs means one is plotting to take over the world with oligarchs and billionaires or whatever the hell, coastal elites, rigging elections, corrupt, evil, calling progressive Democrats centrist/moderates/conservadems/Republican lite/Third Way, establishment, milquetoast, spineless, uninspiring, earn my vote, racist, warmonger, identity politics, vote my conscience, and on and on -- what was that? Hope the person who started it is happy. Certainly resulted in a lot of hate, ignorance and cynicism.

[RKP5637]

5. I don't think many thought it could really get this bad until after they saw

the orange asshole in action when he slithered into the White House. I think most presidents have tried to act with some dignity and sincere respect for the office. Now, the gloves need to come off as most now realize what outrageous thugs the GOP has become.

[exboyfil]

8. I am actually surprised it wasn't worse

The guard rails barely held, but they held. Will they continue to hold? It doesn't look like it right now. I am starting to look at Garland and I am seeing Neville Chamberlain.

Remember how we kept hearing just wait for Mueller. That was crap then and it might be crap now.

[RKP5637]

14. Wondering the same, will it be effective. FFS, they tried to overthrow the US government. To me,

that's damn serious!!! I feel the reactions/consequences have been far too tepid.

[NewHendoLib]

9. Saying "fucking depraved assholes" on the teevee wouldn't have been wise

[Hortensis]

11. :) That's basically it! They understood just how bad those behind

the "vast right wing conspiracy" were and also the fascistic potential to be mined from tea partier and other populist types. I'm sure they did and still do have more information than we do. None of what's happening is new, not even to the U.S, but! People had to see that the unthinkable "it" was happening here to believe it. And most still haven't reached that point.

As for settling on the word deplorable to condemn despicable unamerican and outright depraved behaviors, unlike tRump, she was running to be the president of all Americans. She was constrained both by what the press would do with what she said and also by democratic principles to be protected regarding relation of officials and the citizenry. "Fucking depraved assholes" too accurately disrespectful.

[malaise]

13. But it would have been accurate

[NewHendoLib]

15. Exactly my friend!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

10. She warned us. Many of us believed her. We still believe. No wall. No fence.

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[wryter2000]

12. They've gotten much worse since 2016

No one could have predicted what they'd become. It doesn't seem possible.

[NewHendoLib]

16. TFG and pretty much all Repub pols gave them the permission,

the role models, they craved.

They were the enablers of the disgust

[oasis]

18. It's like Michelle Obama said, "When they go low, we go high". HRC

has a very low degree of negativity in her makeup.

[ancianita]

19. Gotta say, now that I've read her book,

State of Terror, I think she was only mild before the American public.

From what I read about her Secretary of State main character, her private work showed her to be an intimidating (if need be) and hard lined communicator and deal maker (as in 'won't take no for an answer') with international leaders. If this novel in any way touches on the truth, I'm sure Hillary was more in the FDR school -- she walked softly but carried a big stick.

Based on what we face now, "in toto," I don't know how she could have known that what was happening even could have incubated into the levels of incompetence and cynical scofflaw indifference we see now, and so she couldn't have known what had to be "nipped in the bud." Even Trump didn't know he was being maneuvered into a 2016 win.

"Too mild" definitely feels understandable, imo, but given what we know now, also a bit unfair as hindsight criticism for any Democratic leader, nevermind her. Seriously, who in our party was really in a position to even imagine where we are now. Even Boehner and other former leaders didn't see where trumpcultism would take us.

[betsuni]

28. Democrats are expected to know the future.

Big part of blaming Democrats for "allowing" or not stopping bad things, or being too stupid and out-of-touch.

Both Hillary and Barack Obama had to be extremely careful in public.

[StevieM]

31. It was Teddy Roosevelt who said "speak softly and carry a big stick." (eom)

[ancianita]

32. Thanks. Cool. I knew it was one or the other.

[RobinA]

20. The Last Candidate

the Dems had who was skilled at the game of politics was Bill Clinton. We need a few more like him right now. And I'm talking about his ability to play the game and win.

[LT Barclay]

23. I'm thinking Al Franken should be tapped to handle messaging. I think he's good at concise snarky

comments and could be great at the simplistic messaging it takes to appeal to the voters that are a bit south of Homer Simpson on the IQ scale.

[Dawson Leery]

24. Fascists.

[UTUSN]

29. One of those damned-if-do/don't things. Like when GORE was whipped not to be too tough on Shrub

[Peacetrain]

33. malaise, what now calls itself the republican party is so bizarre and destructive