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babylonsister

(172,802 posts)
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 05:53 PM Dec 2021

Democracy in Tatters? Only 24% of Americans Want Roe v. Wade Overturned


Posted on Thu, Dec 2nd, 2021 by Sarah Jones
Democracy in Tatters? Only 24% of Americans Want Roe v. Wade Overturned


As the Republican/McConnell conservative activist Supreme Court hears a Mississippi abortion case, a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll shows just 24% of Americans want Roe v. Wade overturned.

Just 24% of Americans want Roe V Wade overturned:

The Yahoo News poll shows “more than twice as many Americans (55 percent) say they want the court to reaffirm its landmark 1973 Roe v. Wade decision as say they want it overturned (24 percent).”

A full 61% say abortion should be legal in all or most cases:


More broadly, a full 6 in 10 Americans (61 percent) say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, while just 39 percent say it should be illegal in all or most cases. Likewise, 56 percent say abortion is “a constitutional right that women in all states should have some access to,” while only 29 percent say it is “something that individual states should be able to outlaw” — the inevitable result of a decision to fully overturn Roe.


Abortion beliefs are much more nuanced than yes or no, but a majority support the general right to an abortion:

Even here, however, there are nuances. Poll questions that focus on the general right to an abortion typically show majority support; those that focus on narrower restrictions, such as parental consent or “late term” abortions, often show more opposition. That’s because few Americans are hard-liners one way or the other. Just 11 percent, for instance, say abortion should be “illegal in all cases”; just a quarter (26 percent) say it should be it should be “legal in all cases.” More remain somewhere in the middle, saying the procedure should be “legal in most cases” (35 percent) or “illegal in most cases” (28 percent).


Here we are – at the place conservatives have wanted for decades and the place Democrats warned everyone was coming. Yes, the rights of every American to make their own medical decisions are currently at the mercy of not just a “conservative” Supreme Court, but an *activist* *hack-filled* Supreme Court, thanks to Mitch McConnell’s steadfast devotion to destroying democracy so Republicans can grab all of the power voters don’t want to give them.

The 6-3 conservative majority Supreme Court is hearing – and appears eager to uphold – the Mississippi law that bans abortions after 15 weeks. This is the law I warned had a much higher likelihood than the Texas law of being upheld by this court, simply because it doesn’t allow liberals to use the precedent to ban guns, etc.

As usual, though, this is actually very unpopular — a big sign that our democracy is under grave threat, as more and more power is grabbed by a few powerful people refusing to implement the people’s will.

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https://www.politicususa.com/2021/12/02/democracy-in-tatters-only-24-of-americans-want-roe-v-wade-overturned.html
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Democracy in Tatters? Only 24% of Americans Want Roe v. Wade Overturned (Original Post) babylonsister Dec 2021 OP
There are no good, honorable, or patriotic republicans... Salviati Dec 2021 #1
But they support Trump? world wide wally Dec 2021 #2
Not quite apples to apples Amishman Dec 2021 #3
According to post 15, most would support a 15 week ban Polybius Dec 2021 #18
That's close to what I have guessed Amishman Dec 2021 #19
I say it is the woman's choice. Kath2 Dec 2021 #4
So what? brooklynite Dec 2021 #5
Posted for those who might not realize how much support babylonsister Dec 2021 #6
Understanding the level of support is meaningless... brooklynite Dec 2021 #12
All right all ready. I'm focusing on right now, but babylonsister Dec 2021 #14
Vote out republicans rockfordfile Dec 2021 #7
Kick dalton99a Dec 2021 #8
If this is true bluestarone Dec 2021 #9
"Democracy in Tatters?" myohmy2 Dec 2021 #10
Thanks, babylonsister. Not everyone has those stats at their fingertips ms liberty Dec 2021 #11
Chump doesn't want Roe overturned either - none of them do FakeNoose Dec 2021 #13
It's a complicated topic and polling can be very nuanced madville Dec 2021 #15
We definitely have a crooked democracy ... aggiesal Dec 2021 #16
A huge percentage incorrectly think that overturning Roe makes abortion illegal nationwide Polybius Dec 2021 #17
Abortion isn't the only issue where the majority doesn't get their way Poiuyt Dec 2021 #20
But will it make them vote when it happens? ibegurpard Dec 2021 #21
Roe allows states to ban abortion in the thirds trimester, correct? Polybius Dec 2021 #22

Salviati

(6,059 posts)
1. There are no good, honorable, or patriotic republicans...
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 06:02 PM
Dec 2021

... unless and until they give up their strategy of gaming our democracy to ensure minority rule. There may be some of them, a small fraction, that think that violent insurrection is a bridge too far, but their reliance on anti-democratic manipulation of our election processes show what they really think about our democratic principles...

Amishman

(5,945 posts)
3. Not quite apples to apples
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 07:31 PM
Dec 2021

While it is possible that a full overturn of Roe is possible out of this (that's a nauseating sentence), I don't think it is at all likely.

The poll should have asked about the more likely scenario of Mississippi's 15 week law being upheld. While that outcome would be horrible, it isn't the same as a full overturn of Roe.

Polybius

(22,114 posts)
18. According to post 15, most would support a 15 week ban
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 03:46 PM
Dec 2021

From the poster:

"61% believe abortion should be legal during the first trimester, but only 34% in the second trimester and 19% in the third."

Amishman

(5,945 posts)
19. That's close to what I have guessed
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 05:36 PM
Dec 2021

I suspect this is one of those issues where there is more of a gray area once you get into multiple scenarios

Kath2

(3,192 posts)
4. I say it is the woman's choice.
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 08:08 PM
Dec 2021

Her reasoning behind it is her own business and should not be questioned.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
5. So what?
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 08:11 PM
Dec 2021

How many issues have Republicans opposed that have strong popular support? How have they suffered politically?

babylonsister

(172,802 posts)
6. Posted for those who might not realize how much support
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 08:32 PM
Dec 2021

there actually is. Apparently you don't fall into that category, but so what?

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
12. Understanding the level of support is meaningless...
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 09:52 PM
Dec 2021

…if the level of support doesn’t translate to voting against politicians who vote against the policies in question.

bluestarone

(22,461 posts)
9. If this is true
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 08:52 PM
Dec 2021

Local elections plus congressional elections are VERY CRITICAL. These SC decisions have to be STOPPED!

myohmy2

(3,723 posts)
10. "Democracy in Tatters?"
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 08:52 PM
Dec 2021

...yes, in tatters, by unelected right-wing political hacks hell-bent on destroying our country as we know it...

...they insist on implementing their fundamentalist Christian rule in order to establish their version of religion as the highest governing law and authority...

...they have no real power....no power of the purse, no power of the military only the power of integrity and credibility of which these right-wing hacks are sorrowfully lacking...

...these hacks are small people in a large job, a job that affects all of us...

...one supreme once said that the 'Constitution was no suicide pact' in order to ignore it...the supremes have made horrible decisions in the past...often they seem to ignore the Constitution and it's application, only to conveniently walk their political decisions back later...

...why do we have to live in a state that threatens our lives and well-being?

...

ms liberty

(11,363 posts)
11. Thanks, babylonsister. Not everyone has those stats at their fingertips
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 09:27 PM
Dec 2021

And it's good to be reminded.

FakeNoose

(42,375 posts)
13. Chump doesn't want Roe overturned either - none of them do
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 09:55 PM
Dec 2021

This is all kow-towing to the evangelicals and "religious right."

And they're gonna live to regret this too.

madville

(7,858 posts)
15. It's a complicated topic and polling can be very nuanced
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 10:15 PM
Dec 2021

When abortion support drops: The further into the pregnancy, with AP/NORC finding 61% believe abortion should be legal during the first trimester, but only 34% in the second trimester and 19% in the third.

So there is some support for laws that limit when an abortion can happen in the pregnancy but it’s not that simple either.

But most agree it should available at any time in specific scenarios:

Strongest support for abortion—within limits: An Associated Press/NORC poll in June found 87% support abortion when the woman’s life is in danger, 84% support exceptions in the case of rape or incest, and 74% support abortion if the child would be born with a life-threatening illness.



https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/11/30/how-americans-really-feel-about-abortion-the-sometimes-surprising-poll-results-as-supreme-court-weighs-overturning-roe-v-wade/

aggiesal

(10,914 posts)
16. We definitely have a crooked democracy ...
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 02:39 PM
Dec 2021

7 of the last 8 presidential elections, the (D) candidate received more votes than the (R) candidate.
Yet only 5 (D) were president. GWMcIdiot in 2000 and Pendejo46-1 in 2016 were both outvoted by (D).

At the same time Democratic Presidents have only appointed 4 of the 8 judges (2 each by Clinton & Obama).

Going back to Nixon, Democratic Presidents have only appointed 4 of 17, while Republican Presidents have seated 13 of 17.
While the Kavanaugh for Kennedy appointment still seems highly suspect, not to mention
the hypocritical appointment of Comey-Barrett and stealing one of Obama's appointments.

If both Gore and Hillary had taken their rightful place, Dems would have appointed an additional 3 seats at minimum
maybe 4.

Polybius

(22,114 posts)
17. A huge percentage incorrectly think that overturning Roe makes abortion illegal nationwide
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 03:41 PM
Dec 2021

That has some effect on the polling.

Poiuyt

(18,272 posts)
20. Abortion isn't the only issue where the majority doesn't get their way
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 05:53 PM
Dec 2021

Most Americans support universal healthcare, higher taxes on billionaires, hell, even who gets to be our president.

ibegurpard

(17,081 posts)
21. But will it make them vote when it happens?
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 06:06 PM
Dec 2021

Against those responsible? I don't have high hopes.

Polybius

(22,114 posts)
22. Roe allows states to ban abortion in the thirds trimester, correct?
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 04:37 PM
Dec 2021

So if someone thinks that states shouldn't be able to ban third trimester abortions, would that make them oppose Roe?

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