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This could be the man who harbored the Crumbley's in his suite on 1111 Bellevue (Original Post) RandySF Dec 2021 OP
What is the connection to the Crumbly's? joshcryer Dec 2021 #1
Look who took the picture GusBob Dec 2021 #2
Yeah, saw that in my edit. Very nice find. joshcryer Dec 2021 #7
Where is the picture Starkc Dec 2021 #32
I was about to ask the same thing. ShazzieB Dec 2021 #33
Detroit-Based Artist Was Crumbleys' Connection To Building Where They Were Found Hiding Celerity Dec 2021 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Dec 2021 #36
That man's business is several miles away from the building where they found the Crumbleys blogslug Dec 2021 #3
DECORA INTERIOR ART DESIGN, INC. RandySF Dec 2021 #4
Ah. You dove deeper than me blogslug Dec 2021 #6
Masterful detective work. joshcryer Dec 2021 #9
Polish born - moved to US in 1990 Pachamama Dec 2021 #10
UPDATED! I think you are on to something. revmclaren Dec 2021 #5
Oxford connection YouDummy Dec 2021 #8
Welcome to DU YouDummy. panader0 Dec 2021 #13
"could be the man" ? left-of-center2012 Dec 2021 #11
He's provided ample evidence. joshcryer Dec 2021 #12
I agree. BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #22
The cops know who it is Deminpenn Dec 2021 #14
Whomever helped them is a fool. tulipsandroses Dec 2021 #15
Was he going to help them, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Detective Lady Dec 2021 #17
What makes you think it was a realtor? iemanja Dec 2021 #18
My Take Detective Lady Dec 2021 #19
We'll find out eventually iemanja Dec 2021 #20
Yes we will Detective Lady Dec 2021 #26
I deleted my comments. Detective Lady Dec 2021 #29
But you really don't know this, do you? BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #24
Really irresponsible to dox people until it's confirmed. BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #21
the media had already said all this before this OP Celerity Dec 2021 #37
Ah well! malaise Dec 2021 #38
Ah well! malaise Dec 2021 #39
Or we could wait for a police announcement Sympthsical Dec 2021 #23
Thank you x1000. BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #25
I've hated it since the Boston bombing Sympthsical Dec 2021 #31
+1 leftstreet Dec 2021 #28
here is an entire directory of companies at 1111 Bellevue (from google maps) IcyPeas Dec 2021 #27
Kick dalton99a Dec 2021 #30
TY for this report.. very Cha Dec 2021 #34

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
1. What is the connection to the Crumbly's?
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 05:31 AM
Dec 2021

I read that the police were notified of that place because the alarms went off. You'd think if he was harboring them there wouldn't be that. But then he could've permitted them inside, looked into it and saw they had charges, then called the police and said the alarm went off to cover his ass.

edit: nevermind, I see that she took that photo. Interesting connection. Going to be very interesting to see what comes of this.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
7. Yeah, saw that in my edit. Very nice find.
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 06:15 AM
Dec 2021

This is such an obvious fugitive escape attempt that will be trivial to piece together for the prosecution and nail these parents.

ShazzieB

(16,437 posts)
33. I was about to ask the same thing.
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 03:09 AM
Dec 2021

I don't see any information about who took the photo ANYWHERE.

Celerity

(43,451 posts)
35. Detroit-Based Artist Was Crumbleys' Connection To Building Where They Were Found Hiding
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 03:52 AM
Dec 2021
https://deadlinedetroit.com/articles/29387/detroit-based_artist_was_crumbleys_connection_to_building_where_they_were_found_hiding

James and Jennifer Crumbley's connection to an east-side commercial building where police say they were found hiding overnight was apparently a polish-born, Detroit-based artist who'd recently done a mural near their house.

According to The Daily Beast, photos of the arrest showed the couple leaving the studio of Andrzej Sikora, a painter who was featured in an Oxford Leader article last month about his new mural at Red Knapp's Dairy Bar. A photo of Sikora posing alongside it was credited to "Jehn Crumbley," who was a licensed Realtor until 2018 and also worked as a marketing director. The photo credit has since disappeared.

snip

proof it was removed

https://web.archive.org/web/20211118070352/https://oxfordleader.com/mural-depicts-restaurant-founder/



Response to joshcryer (Reply #1)

blogslug

(38,004 posts)
3. That man's business is several miles away from the building where they found the Crumbleys
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 05:39 AM
Dec 2021

They located the couple at 1111 Bellevue Street

That man's studio is at 7600 Chrysler Dr, according to what I've found on the googles

RandySF

(58,982 posts)
4. DECORA INTERIOR ART DESIGN, INC.
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 05:47 AM
Dec 2021

Registered Address......7600 CHRYSLER DR SUITE 261 DETROIT MI 48211 United States

Agent Name: ANDRZEJ SIKORA

Agent Address: 1111 BELLEVUE AVE STE 130, DETROIT, MI, 48207




https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_mi/800363255

blogslug

(38,004 posts)
6. Ah. You dove deeper than me
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 05:51 AM
Dec 2021

Interesting

I found an art collective for that location called Whitdel Arts. Their site says they were looking for a new home and hasn't been updated since 2018. They haven't posted on their Twitter acct since 2019. But it's the bulding:

https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1s0x883b329a1dac8aa3%3A0x79a4078e8964c90f!3m1!7e115!4s%2Fmaps%2Fplace%2FWhitdel%2BArts%2F%4042.3499433%2C-83.0092842%2C3a%2C75y%2C239.96h%2C90t%2Fdata%3D*213m4*211e1*213m2*211sosuC8qOsIKV2i5SUEWDDuA*212e0*214m2*213m1*211s0x883b329a1dac8aa3%3A0x79a4078e8964c90f%3Fsa%3DX!5sWhitdel%20Arts%20-%20Google%20Search!15sCgIgAQ&imagekey=!1e2!2sosuC8qOsIKV2i5SUEWDDuA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjiq__I7sn0AhWzlWoFHceCC0UQpx96BAh8EAg

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
9. Masterful detective work.
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 06:19 AM
Dec 2021

This is going to be one interesting trial. The defense for the kid has an actual defense unlike other ones (crazy parenting, kid enabled to do bad things, etc). These parents appear to be sociopaths and won't want to ever admit to any wrongdoing. They will be heavily supported by 2A advocates and it will bring them down very, very, hard. No matter what though the kids defense attorney is not going to pressure him to a guilty plea. He's going to fight hard for this kid given the parents behavior and the mounting evidence they were crazy 2A far right wing gun nutters who enabled their mentally ill, suffering child, to commit this atrocious act. (Note: I am not defending Ethan here, I am talking about his necessary defense in the court of law. We don't have all the information so I am making a preliminary statement about how this may go down.)

revmclaren

(2,525 posts)
5. UPDATED! I think you are on to something.
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 05:47 AM
Dec 2021

Check out @Jehnc pinterest page.

Look at the pins for Ethan bedroom ideas.

https://www.pinterest.com/jehnc/ethan-bedroom-ideas/


Ding ding...we have a winner.
More data on Jennifer.

Also, in the list of followers is. .........wait for it....... James Crumbley.

Maybe more digging will bring a connection to the artist.

YouDummy

(1 post)
8. Oxford connection
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 06:18 AM
Dec 2021

The studio he owned was called Horse Drawn Studio. On that companies Facebook web page, the last entry they have is a barn from Oxford Michigan

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
11. "could be the man" ?
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 06:46 AM
Dec 2021

I don't know if we should be pointing out someone without proof.
I don't like the sound of it.
Nope.

tulipsandroses

(5,124 posts)
15. Whomever helped them is a fool.
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 08:48 AM
Dec 2021

These people are on a path of destruction. The just ensnared someone else or more, in their destruction.



gab13by13

(21,371 posts)
16. Was he going to help them,
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 09:58 AM
Dec 2021

or was he trying to convince them to turn themselves in? Do we know what went on after the Crumbley's showed up at his building?

Response to RandySF (Original post)

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
24. But you really don't know this, do you?
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 04:51 PM
Dec 2021

People should back off on trying to be the “first” to identify someone.

Leave it to the authorities. Smh.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
21. Really irresponsible to dox people until it's confirmed.
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 04:49 PM
Dec 2021

I saw where there was a woman who everyone thought was the soup throwing idiot was wrongly identified.

Celerity

(43,451 posts)
37. the media had already said all this before this OP
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 04:07 AM
Dec 2021
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16115292

and

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ethan-crumbleys-parents-jennifer-james-crumbley-found-hiding-in-detroit-artist-andrzej-sikoras-studio



Detroit—After the parents of alleged Oxford High School shooter Ethan Crumbley were found by fugitive teams early Saturday morning, “hiding” out in a commercial property in east Detroit, attention has turned to who might have helped their extraordinary attempt to go on the lam.

Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard said Saturday afternoon that his his office was considering charging an unnamed person with aiding-and-abetting or obstruction of justice for assisting Jennifer Crumbley and James Crumbley, even as police were issuing nationwide alerts and the U.S. Marshals were getting involved.

“We have enough early indication that clearly somebody helped them into that location and made it available to them, and it was after it was publicly announced that there were warrants for them,” he said. A closer look by The Daily Beast of footage from the arrests of the Crumbleys show the couple exiting a room with signage for Andrzej Sikora, a Polish-born, Detroit-based artist with connections to Oxford.

According to a news article in the Oxford Leader last month, Sikora finished a mural at Red Knapps American Grill, a bar just around the corner from the Crumbleys’ house. A picture accompanying the story indicated the photo of Sikora was taken by a “Jehn Crumbley,” a nickname Jennifer Crumbley, a realtor-turned-marketing director, has been known to go by professionally and socially. The article appeared to have been updated to remove the caption, but a WayBack Machine archive still featured it.


https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_mi/800363255

Sympthsical

(9,081 posts)
23. Or we could wait for a police announcement
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 04:51 PM
Dec 2021

Maybe putting a nice big social media target on people who may not be involved is irresponsible?

Association is not evidence of the assertion being made.

Maybe he did help them. Maybe not.

But you have no evidence other than association.

It can wait until the cops reveal it.

Sympthsical

(9,081 posts)
31. I've hated it since the Boston bombing
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 08:42 PM
Dec 2021

When social media sleuths (Reddit) were on the job! They will find the bomber! Well, they found a missing Middle Eastern college student. Blasted his name everywhere. Basically did the internet version of an APB on him.

Except he wasn't the bomber.

No, he was missing because he had committed suicide by throwing himself off a bridge several days before the bombing. But thank you, internet, for harassing his family before they even found out. That must've been the sweetest cherry on top for them.

The police will let us know what they know when they want us to in due course. At least in the Boston case, there was an actual manhunt. Here, people are just being gossipy social media boobs.

dalton99a

(81,534 posts)
30. Kick
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 06:33 PM
Dec 2021
https://www.thedailybeast.com/ethan-crumbleys-parents-jennifer-james-crumbley-found-hiding-in-detroit-artist-andrzej-sikoras-studio

How Teen Gunman’s Parents Ended Up Hiding Out in Local Artist’s Studio
Just weeks ago, the artist had posed for a photo taken by a photographer named Jehn Crumbley.
Updated Dec. 04, 2021 5:08PM ET / Published Dec. 04, 2021 3:21PM ET

Detroit — After the parents of alleged Oxford High School shooter Ethan Crumbley were found by fugitive teams early Saturday morning, “hiding” out in a commercial property in east Detroit, attention has turned to who might have helped their extraordinary attempt to go on the lam.

Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard said Saturday afternoon that his his office was considering charging an unnamed person with aiding-and-abetting or obstruction of justice for assisting Jennifer Crumbley and James Crumbley, even as police were issuing nationwide alerts and the U.S. Marshals were getting involved.

“We have enough early indication that clearly somebody helped them into that location and made it available to them, and it was after it was publicly announced that there were warrants for them,” he said.

A closer look by The Daily Beast of footage from the arrests of the Crumbleys show the couple exiting a room with signage for Andrzej Sikora, a Polish-born, Detroit-based artist with connections to Oxford.

Cha

(297,378 posts)
34. TY for this report.. very
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 03:41 AM
Dec 2021

informative.

That shithead kid was certainly Not thinking of his parents when he shot and killed those beautiful students at Oxford High.

Doesn't seem like they cared much for him when they missed their Friday Arraignment and tried to Abscond from the Police.

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