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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,088 posts)
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 01:56 PM Dec 2021

Joe Manchin signals he may not back Biden's social spending plan until 2022, risking an abrupt

cutoff for monthly child tax credit checks

Senate Democrats are wishing for a holiday gift in the form of approving President Joe Biden's $2 trillion domestic spending package by Christmas. But Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia seems readier to hand his own party a thick lump of coal instead.

The West Virginia Democrat is reportedly expressing skepticism to his Senate colleagues about whether they'll be able to approve pass the Build Back Better legislation this year, CNN reported. It's significant given that all 50 Senate Democrats must band together to clear the bill in the evenly divided Senate over what's likely to be unanimous GOP opposition.

He's not committing to the legislation, suggesting more work needs to be done to iron out the finer details. "I wouldn't have any idea how I'm going to vote until I walk in," Manchin told CNN's Manu Raju departing the Capitol.

Manchin's reluctance to back the bill could capsize the swift timetable that Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer of New York originally envisioned to wrap everything up and deliver Biden a major win going into 2022, a crucial midterm election year. Depending on how long Manchin drags his feet, passage of the bill may slip into next year — a possibility raised on Tuesday by Rep. Richard Neal of Massachusetts, chair of the House Ways and Means panel.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-manchin-signals-he-may-not-back-bidens-social-spending-plan-until-2022-risking-an-abrupt-cutoff-for-monthly-child-tax-credit-checks/ar-AARs5sy
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Joe Manchin signals he may not back Biden's social spending plan until 2022, risking an abrupt (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2021 OP
did you know the albatross is an endangered species? NJCher Dec 2021 #1
If the Democrats just stopped speaking to the press, and got together in a private meeting to work JohnSJ Dec 2021 #2
Exactly. Manchin obviously feels justified in publicly Nixie Dec 2021 #10
Just keep on movin' those goal posts, Joe. Initech Dec 2021 #3
messing with my life are u joe , knock it of . AllaN01Bear Dec 2021 #4
Don't they go into recess after next week? So 5 days left in 2021. Klaralven Dec 2021 #5
no recess until they pass the bill. and no pay if they not working nt msongs Dec 2021 #16
Time for progressives to block lifting the debt ceiling Fiendish Thingy Dec 2021 #6
Absolutely not. That is insanity. Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #9
Absolutely. +++ JohnSJ Dec 2021 #14
Manchin's obstruction is also insanity- Country over party, Planet over country Fiendish Thingy Dec 2021 #17
I can get behind this wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #18
We would be blamed for everything...we have no cards to play here. I wish the progressives Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #19
I totally didn't see this coming ColinC Dec 2021 #7
Not surprising. This DINO has been after this all along. brush Dec 2021 #8
A couple of democrats need to invite Joe for a friendly game of Hotler Dec 2021 #11
He wanted the Infrastructure bill Bettie Dec 2021 #12
And WHITT Dec 2021 #13
too expensive? eliminate benefits to WVa to save $$ nt msongs Dec 2021 #15
Joe Mansion wants people to suffer. BradAllison Dec 2021 #20

NJCher

(35,693 posts)
1. did you know the albatross is an endangered species?
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 01:58 PM
Dec 2021

You'd never know it by this. He's alive, well, and kickin'.

JohnSJ

(92,278 posts)
2. If the Democrats just stopped speaking to the press, and got together in a private meeting to work
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 02:02 PM
Dec 2021

things out between themselves, just maybe something could get done.




Nixie

(16,957 posts)
10. Exactly. Manchin obviously feels justified in publicly
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 02:32 PM
Dec 2021

opposing and fighting with the Bernie progressives, so quit giving him that pass. Obviously where he’s from, that is a plus for him so he keeps doing it.

Just talk in private at this point and not argue with Bernie publicly. There are plenty of examples of him bucking Bernie, so we need a different approach and different players.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,636 posts)
6. Time for progressives to block lifting the debt ceiling
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 02:25 PM
Dec 2021

It’d be a shame if Manchin’s donors stocks dropped by 50+% as the world economy crashes.

Yes, I know it would hurt millions, but it’s the only certain way to inflict pain on those who are obstructing Biden’s agenda.

The only way to stop this strategy would be for Republicans to support lifting the ceiling, or kill the filibuster, or both.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,636 posts)
17. Manchin's obstruction is also insanity- Country over party, Planet over country
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 04:27 PM
Dec 2021

Brinkmanship in the form of Mutually Assured Destruction (which, insane as it was, actually worked as a deterrent in the Cold War) may be the only option left.

Demsrule86

(68,613 posts)
19. We would be blamed for everything...we have no cards to play here. I wish the progressives
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 10:29 PM
Dec 2021

would accept...paid leave won't happen this go round and Manchin would just say what he is willing to vote for and let's end this crap which is not doing our party any good. Also, pass the darn defense bill...get it done.

brush

(53,801 posts)
8. Not surprising. This DINO has been after this all along.
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 02:28 PM
Dec 2021

All he's about is delay, delay, delay. It's as if he wants to stop deployment of these benefits so we lose the mid-terms.

Hotler

(11,431 posts)
11. A couple of democrats need to invite Joe for a friendly game of
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 02:35 PM
Dec 2021

racquetball on the Capital courts. Run him up against the wall a few times, bang to ball off of him a little. Then let him score a few points to make it bipartisan . Just a friendly game.

Bettie

(16,113 posts)
12. He wanted the Infrastructure bill
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 02:37 PM
Dec 2021

he got it, so he sees no need to vote for anything else.

We all knew this was coming.

Spoiler Alert: he'll find excuses not to vote for it in 2022 as well.

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