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Can you decide if someone gets an abortion or not? (Original Post) Soph0571 Dec 2021 OP
My thoughts exactly. Kath2 Dec 2021 #1
Yep OrangeJoe Dec 2021 #8
LOVE.IT. 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2021 #2
Thanks for this great op. At first I wondered if by using the word "abortion" you might abqtommy Dec 2021 #3
An "abortion" for BoJo, an orange turd for tf asshole. erronis Dec 2021 #16
So simple even a conservanut could understand! paleotn Dec 2021 #4
K & R...nt Wounded Bear Dec 2021 #5
Is it really that simple? Shermann Dec 2021 #6
At this point the Vegas odds aren't on the outcome, only the specific justifications NullTuples Dec 2021 #10
I'll go out on a limb and speculate on the Court's eventual decision. Lonestarblue Dec 2021 #18
But, but, but..... Farmer-Rick Dec 2021 #7
But once the tadpole is born, "You're on your own, sucker!" CrispyQ Dec 2021 #15
The Bible Tells Us homegirl Dec 2021 #20
Kick. N/T Upthevibe Dec 2021 #9
Yup Blue Owl Dec 2021 #11
Freedom of religion... For some more than others. keithbvadu2 Dec 2021 #12
For most liberals, 10,000% up to the woman. KY_EnviroGuy Dec 2021 #13
I've been saying that out loud for years when ever a BigmanPigman Dec 2021 #14
Is it any business of OURS to even THINK it is OUR RIGHT to decide for SOMEONE ELSE? Ka-Dinh Oy Dec 2021 #17
Yes. Iggo Dec 2021 #19

Kath2

(3,074 posts)
1. My thoughts exactly.
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 06:14 PM
Dec 2021

And I am really getting fed up with this anti-choice push going on now. It is sickening.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
3. Thanks for this great op. At first I wondered if by using the word "abortion" you might
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 06:36 PM
Dec 2021

be referring to BO "Ya doesn't Hafta Call me Johnson" JO. Please carry on.

erronis

(15,160 posts)
16. An "abortion" for BoJo, an orange turd for tf asshole.
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 03:03 PM
Dec 2021

Still like W's pet name for Rove: Turd Blossom.

Shermann

(7,398 posts)
6. Is it really that simple?
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 07:17 PM
Dec 2021

The Supreme Court ruling on the Mississippi abortion case isn't expected until next summer. They have to pretend to deliberate for that amount of time, even though I believe the votes of each justice can be predicted with a high degree of accuracy today.

Lonestarblue

(9,958 posts)
18. I'll go out on a limb and speculate on the Court's eventual decision.
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 04:33 PM
Dec 2021

I think they will uphold the Mississippi law because they are partisan hacks who know that an outright ban could spell trouble for getting Republicans elected in 2022. But in upholding the Mississippi law, they will also rule that states have a right to decide the circumstances surrounding access to abortion. For example, there is already a 24-hour waiting period in most states. Red states could extend that dramatically. They could also demand that women go through counseling, such as forcing them to sit through pro-adoption counseling. Their purpose would be to delay access until the 15 weeks runs out. Fifteen weeks is not a great deal of time if women wait until a missed second period (since many have skipped periods that are not from pregnancy) to go have a pregnancy test. That may take another week, so now you’re close to week 10. Red states just have to throw enough roadblocks in the way to get a lot of women past week 15 to be successful in denying abortion access.

Farmer-Rick

(10,127 posts)
7. But, but, but.....
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 07:32 PM
Dec 2021

If you have a religion that somehow imagines a tiny clump of cells, or a thing that looks like a tadpole with a prehensile tail, is a human then you get to make the decision for everyone. No matter who dies or who suffers because religion makes you love torturing innocent women.

Besides the Waltons spent a lot of money to get this case before a bunch of Catholics, perverts and a slave/wife. And we all know the filthy rich get to make the decisions for every American.

homegirl

(1,427 posts)
20. The Bible Tells Us
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 04:57 PM
Dec 2021
The Bible Tells Us When A Fetus Becomes A Living Being


Many people think that a human being is created at the time of conception but this belief is not supported by the bible. The fact that a living sperm penetrates a living ovum resulting in the formation of a living fetus does not mean that the fetus is a living human being. According to the bible, a fetus is not a living person with a soul until after drawing its first breath.

After God formed man in Genesis 2, He “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being”. Although the man was fully formed by God in all respects, he was not a living being until after taking his first breath.

In Job 33:4, it states: “The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.”

Again, to quote Ezekiel 37:5&6, “Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. And I will lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live; and you shall know that I am the Lord.”

In Exodus 21:22 it states that if a man causes a woman to have a miscarriage, he shall be fined; however, if the woman dies then he will be put to death. It should be apparent from this that the aborted fetus is not considered a living human being since the resulting punishment for the abortion is nothing more than a fine; it is not classified by the bible as a capital offense.

According to the bible, destroying a living fetus does not equate to killing a living human being even though the fetus has the potential of becoming a human being. One can not kill something that has not been born and taken a breath. This means that a stillborn would not be considered a human being either. Of course, every living sperm has the potential of becoming a human being although not one in a million will make it; the rest are aborted.



- Found in archives. Best abortion argument I could find here at DU. Originally posted by "Itchingcarpenter". The Bible Tells Us When A Fetus Becomes A Living Being


KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
13. For most liberals, 10,000% up to the woman.
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 11:11 PM
Dec 2021

As a man, if she was my wife or partner and if she wished, I would be honored to discuss it with her. Regardless, I would reassure her I would be by her side with love and support no matter her decision.

KY.......

BigmanPigman

(51,554 posts)
14. I've been saying that out loud for years when ever a
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 02:19 AM
Dec 2021

man would give his opinion about abortion. Unless they are pregnant they have no say what so ever. Their input is invalid.

Ka-Dinh Oy

(11,686 posts)
17. Is it any business of OURS to even THINK it is OUR RIGHT to decide for SOMEONE ELSE?
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 04:00 PM
Dec 2021

It is NONE of OUR business and we should STAY OUT of THEIR business.

I am not talking about us here I am talking about everybody in general.

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