The survival of our democracy depends on the SC overturning Roe v Wade.

[AZ8theist]

My take:

We've had 50 years, multiple generations of citizens who grew up and lived in a society where women had control over their own persons. Perhaps taken for granted. I know my adult daughter has taken it for granted.
Women had the final say in control of their own bodies. Multiple generations became adults knowing this....

Now, in 2022, our culture needs to be "WOKE" to the reality that the right to abortion is now gone. Generations of young adults will come to realize what they THOUGHT was a given, is now GONE.

MILLIONS of Americans will hopefully...FINALLY realize what voting for Republicans has brought to society.
Voting for Republicans MOVES THE SOCIETY BACKWARDS. ALL Rights will be curtailed, not just abortion. There will be nothing to stop the right wing from making contraception illegal. Nothing will stop the right from rolling back marriage equality.

The right is already burning books and exploring repealing child-labor laws. How long until someone from the right wants to repeal a womans right to vote? Think it's far-fetched? Read about the rise and fall of the Third Reich. You think the "Handmaid Tale" is fiction? Think again....

The only thing that will save our democracy is the SC overturning Roe v Wade, and MILLIONS of "woke" Americans voting DEMOCRATIC in November 2022. Otherwise, all is lost.

( I fully expect all kinds of blow-back regarding MY OPINION, and I don't care. It's MY OPINION, and we all know about opinions.)

[Ocelot II]

1. I wouldn't go quite that far, but I believe there would be some very serious blowback

and the GOP is likely to really regret pushing the issue if it happens; if a long-standing right is taken away - and I can't think of a time when that actually happened - there is bound to be hell to pay. If women no longer have fundamental reproductive rights they are basically being told that they are lesser humans. I am too old to be in the market for an abortion but I would still regard the overturning of Roe as a degradation of me and all other women as human beings. We are half the population. You can bet there will be blowback.

But the Supreme Court knows this, which is why I think they will not overturn Roe but will instead decide the cases in a way that allows the states to chisel away at reproductive rights, thus washing their hands of the problem. Therefore we have to be prepared to deal with state legislation.

[ms liberty]

5. This, including the too old to need abortion services. n/t

[electric_blue68]

12. If women can't control When, or IF they have a child (children)...

they are not free.

I'm past that point, but I fear for my women-sisters in general, and younger family, friends, and acquaintances!

Plus what other gains will be lost based in this reversal.


Fuck Gilead! 🤬🤬🤬🤬

[Bettie]

22. If they accept the 15 week (13 weeks after fertilization)

limit, they are essentially overturning Roe because there is then no meaningful viability threshold.

At 15 weeks, no fetus is viable, so at that point, a six week ban or a fertilized egg ban are just as valid as the arbitrary line of 15 weeks.

I know a number of women who terminated in the mid-20 weeks range, because of genetic issues that were incompatible with life.

I know a number of women who kept on with pregnancies that they knew would not end happily.

Once you've had a pregnancy or neo-natal loss, you get to know a lot of people in that situation.

But the point is that both sets of parents were able to make their own choices based on their own reasoning and ability to deal with the situation. That is being taken from women as well.

And add me to the too old for abortion, but mad as hell that we're still fighting this battle.

By making it so that abortion is unavailable to women in many states, they declare that a corpse has more rights than a living woman.

[JohnSJ]

2. The assumption I think the OP is making is that if Roe is overturned, it will motivate millions of

Americans to vote Democratic in the midterms in 2022.

I think the problem with that premise is that the SC decision regarding the Mississippi law is not going to "overturn Roe", but severely limit it, and that it provides no exception for rape or incest, adds further insult to injury.

In 2016, there was no doubt that trump was a racist, bigot, and sexist, and that the SC was at stake. Recall that the republicans would not allow President Obama to rightfully appoint a SC justice.

The fact that 2016 did not motivate people to get out and vote for Hillary, against a racist, sexist, bigot, and the future of the SC, does not present a very optimistic picture that a SC decision allowing the Mississippi abortion law to take effect, will make a difference in turnout, if 2016 didn't.

In addition, according to the polls, the number of white women who voted for trump in 2016 and 2020, was slightly greater than the number of white women who voted against him.

One thing I do agree with the OP though is that we are very close to losing our democracy, and if that is not a motivating force to get people out to vote Democratic in 2022, then nothing will

[RANDYWILDMAN]

8. 2016 was a perfect propaganda storm

we had an idiot failed business man, who won by 70k votes in 3 states.

The other candidate had 4 million more votes

Our system based is broken and has been for 20 plus years since the SC decided that is was time to stop counting votes.

[JohnSJ]

9. Yes

[Eyeball_Kid]

3. Unfortunately, I think you're right.

The DANGER of losing abortion rights should be enough to activate reasonable men and women everywhere. But the ACTUALITY of losing abortion rights is probably what will turn the tide. Somewhere around 60% of adults favor abortion rights. Maybe more. It's a clear and inarguable majority. And it's a real, quality of life (and death) issue that will alarm those who would otherwise NEVER be alarmed by anything political.

It's also possible that the GOP is signing off on its own demise by creating a massive national backlash against them. The GOP may not be able to hold majorities in Texas and Florida because of their anti-choice initiatives. We all know that the ultra-political Republican majority on the Supreme Court will refuse to consider the consequences of their naive and myopic sentiments and vote down Roe. It's nearly a guarantee that the nation will react viscerally to their coming vote, consider the SCOTUS to be a bogus and cheap imitation of what it once was, and reason that the GOP is leading in the rush to creating a mythical 19th century America in the present. If they don't know what havoc they will be creating, they're soon to find out.

[brush]

4. Wasn't Rome once a democracy with a Senate before turning into an Empire...

with an emperor?

[Wounded Bear]

17. No, Rome was technically a Republic, but not a democratic one...

the Senate consisted of an oligarchy of the wealthiest while the plebians never really had any meaningful political power.

Hell, even the Greek cities-including Athens-weren't really true democracies as only a few hundred of the more significant citizens were included in the tallies of who had the voting franchise. Democracy on a large scale isn't really tenable before modern communications made it practical. After the widescale spread of the printing press, at least news could propagate fairly rapidly.

[brush]

18. I use the term "democracy" loosely like most of us do.

I'm sure you've heard, just as I have, all the talk of us losing our democracy as republicans lean increasingly towards autocracy. "Republic", a representative democracy, is of course the more accurate term.

Or is oligarchy even more accurate now for us too?

[Scrivener7]

6. Sure. It's worth ruining the lives of all those women and unwanted children if it

teaches the kids a lesson.

[PlanetBev]

7. AZ, unfortunately, I think your onto something

Apart from Prohibition, America is used to rights being given, not taken away. And, especially, taken away by a minority. Americans have always operated under a delusion that their democracy is different than other past democracies, and is impervious. Even John Adams said democracies don’t last very long, that eventually “they murder themselves”.

This should be a massive wake-up call that we’re hanging by a thread.

[iemanja]

10. How nice for you to experiment over women's lives

I don't see you offering to sacrifice men for political gain.

[AZ8theist]

11. I'm not "experimenting" with women's lives...

REPUBLICANS ARE.

I would gladly send my congressman, Andy Biggs (R-Nazi), to prison for LIFE for his role in treason against the United States.
(along with plenty of other men. We all know their names.....)

Polls show more Americans prefer REPUBLICANS now than Democrats. This is INSANE.

Perhaps only a gutting of Row v Wade in June 2022 will roust enough people to vote Democratic and save our republic.
That was my point.

My disgust for the anti-abortion, forced birther religious ASSHOLE crowd is only surpassed by my VILE DISGUST of Trump.

[iemanja]

16. You're describing the end of Roe as a political gain

when it means certain death for many women and non-binary Americans who seek abortion. Yet you describe overturning Roe as essential, as though you are willing to see women die to promote your political goals.

Your point about Jan 6 ignores the subject and is incredibly tone death. It ignores the key point about equal rights. We are equal citizens who deserve our full rights under the constitution. Overturning Roe is unacceptable, not an opportunity.

[LiberatedUSA]

13. I have this unshakable feeling of inevitability.

The die seems cast.

Unless the filibuster is ended, Roe will go down, which will crack the last bastion of civility we are holding onto for dear life. I don’t feel America will look the same after 2024. Combined with the big lie, rigged elections and the pandemic, it all has a feel of inevitability; like it is all being guided to a very heartbreaking conclusion.

[betsuni]

14. I don't think it will make much of a difference.

Majority of Americans won't know about it, probably blame Biden if they do.

[Scrivener7]

15. I agree. And I continue to be amazed by those who insist we don't have a messaging problem.

[Mad_Machine76]

21. I can just see the NYT Headline now (or CNN)

"Abortion rights fall under Biden!" "Biden Supreme Court Overturns Roe!"

Sort of being unserious with this but OTOH the logic for some uninformed voters will be like, Democrats control the WH and Congress + Roe fell under Democratic majorities =Democrats are responsible= Not going to vote. What's the point?

[mathematic]

19. Incidentally this is the same reasoning many leftists supported Trump

Gotta burn down the ol' house before the petite bourgeoisie sees the error of their ways.

Susan Sarandon, who nobody considers an original thinker, parroting the argument she heard hanging around her comrades, in 2016:
“Some people feel that Donald Trump will bring the revolution immediately, if he gets in. Then things will really, you know, explode,” Sarandon said, referring to the political “revolution” Sanders preaches about on the trail.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/29/politics/susan-sarandon-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/index.html

Ok, I'm going to say it. Your opinion sucks. You shouldn't have it. Overturning Roe will lead to the deaths of many women. That is not an acceptable price. You want to give conservatives a mile and think they won't take ten.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

20. Even if Roe falls, abortion will still be legal in some states. So far, a patchwork of rights in

different states doesn't seem to be a motivating factor for voters, and with increased voter suppression, relying on voters to change things is a fool's game, IMO.