The only way to shut down the big lie is

[malaise]

to lock up the Slobfather and his accomplices.
That is all.

[Elessar Zappa]

1. Absolutely.

He needs to die in prison.

[wiggs]

2. ...which needs to be done before the next House is seated. If GOP gains congrol

there will be a shitstorm of benghazi type hearings/investigations...impeachment attempts all up and down the federal government...censures every week...votes to strip dems of assignments...subpoenas every day...etc. Even if there's still time for the rest of government to function normally the impression will be 24/7 dem misdeeds.

[malaise]

4. Indeed

I expect charges by the end of spring/early summer

[cilla4progress]

5. Awesome, malaise. David Cay Johston agrees.

I got some clarity in the shower just now ( )...

1. Keep hearing Garland just wants to focus on looking forward, not back. Explanation for why DOJ is not taking the lead in demanding accountability.

Well, a) his action reported today v. TX redistricting is a perfect demonstration of this philosophy; b) when the 1/6 Comm has made criminal refererrals he got on them timely - am I right? Or did DOJ take weeks to pursue Bannon? c) I think he figures with 1/6 comm pursuing that thread, he will continue to focus on ensuring legality of elections, etc., going forward.

Also: we have to counter MAGA relentlessness with relentlessness of our own. I think that's how he gets into their bloodstream. It becomes a compulsion.

I am going to hoist my American flag today - at half staff. And leaving it up.

[malaise]

9. Awesome post

Consequences are coming

[I_UndergroundPanther]

45. Consequences

I'd wave a flag with
"there are consequences" written on it,where trumpers march.

[KS Toronado]

32. That's my timeline also.

Patience people, justice may be slow but it's starting to knock on his door in Florida.

[Vdizzle]

30. It will be a never ending orgy of malfeasance, fraud, waste, and abuse!

[cilla4progress]

3. Figliuzzi hair on fire

on Niccolle Wallace show rn

[bucolic_frolic]

11. Love Figliuzzi

Kirschner too. All of them really. These career government officials who became talking heads are SO important for the public.

[cilla4progress]

20. Sally Yates

Why aren't they at new DOJ?

McCabe. Bharara!

Maybe don't want to be ...

[bucolic_frolic]

33. Maybe known as a bit political nowadays

Not quite DOJ material anymore

[ShazzieB]

17. I saw that, too.

Scared the bleeping bleep out of me!

[wnylib]

6. Shut down the big lie by

shutting down the big liars.

Works for me. Looking forward to it.

[malaise]

15. Yes!

[wnylib]

18. It will be a time of celebration.

Worthy of fireworks, parties, and dancing in the streets (weather permitting).

The celebrations of Biden's win will pale by comparison.

[bucolic_frolic]

7. We must also generate our own energy about democracy to counteract the Big Lie

These are competing narratives vying for space in mass media. The intelligentsia is on our side. Stupidity is on their side and using paranoia to control the minds of the stupid half of the populace. We can win this. The forward progress of civilization has always prevailed in these cases. We just don't want to face overturning a dictatorship to do so, which is why the Big Liars are trying to slam Joe as a dictator. It's projection once again.

[malaise]

12. THIS

The forward progress of civilization has always prevailed in these cases.

A lot of people have to go to prison

[cilla4progress]

21. Does Garland have

the cojones?

[malaise]

22. Yes

Check his record

[cilla4progress]

26. malaise -

If this pans out as you seem to be saying - American is going to go through "some things...".

[malaise]

27. Yes there is no easy way out of this

but severe consequences are required

[ancianita]

23. He's the agent who approves the majors with the cajones. He's got enough to save Rule of Law.

It's his team that will stand and deliver.

[cilla4progress]

25. Wow -

thank you 2 for your confidence. I put a lot of stock in your words (you and malaise.)

So - wondering what this will look like when it goes down. How ugly will things get when tfg is indicted, convicted, imprisoned...

[ancianita]

41. Awww

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I'm not confident, and the pressure's on him. All those who've been charged will know they are under law enforcement's eye in all their respective states; the militia goons will be, too, many of their leaders jailed and not wanting further jail time. As we think nothing's being done, we'll see that the more that is happening, the less we'll hear about it until breaking news time. The Jan 6 Committee will put its final report before Congress after the DOJ's well into the evidence gathering by a federal grand jury. So many moving parts, right?

Who could predict, really, what might happen when this has never happened before. As for how it looks, I know we'd love a perp walk drama (I'd love to see him arrested in the RNC's convention just as he accepts their nomination), but it won't go down like that because armed bedlam, we just don't know, do we.

[monkeyman1]

42. build new ones !

[lees1975]

8. The sooner the better

All of them, including the Trump family, Cruz, Hawley, Boebert, Taylor-Green, Gaetz, Gosar, and anyone else who led a "tour" of the Capitol the day before it happened.

[malaise]

13. add the Flynns

both brothers and quite a few others

[Alexander Of Assyria]

14. In addition the corporate media could explain fascism to Americans and compare fascism to

democracy, the Orange Menace. Remember what kind of political philosophy the world fought 70 years ago? Timely reminder time.

Oranges to Oranges there.

[ElementaryPenguin]

16. You're right about that, M!

[FakeNoose]

19. Yes for sure!

[Poiuyt]

24. Sadly, I believe the Big Lie and Trumpism in general will persist until Trump passes away

He's their god. His followers will not believe he has died, or they'll think he was assassinated by the Intelligensia led by Hillary and Barack. But I don't think anyone else has the charisma to carry it on after he's gone.

[Kid Berwyn]

29. True since Day 1.

Yet. Mysteriously.

[AllaN01Bear]

31. see my post on this .

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216119614

[Act_of_Reparation]

34. Gonna disagree there.

The cat's out of the bag. I don't think we'll ever be able to put it back in.

[markie]

53. I agree

unfortunately

[Evolve Dammit]

35. Garland is our Neville Chamberlain. Wrong person for the job. Unless you want it to "move on."

[PJMcK]

36. At least indict the criminals!

Tie up those bastards in various courts for the next several years. That'll shut them up. Just try to imagine Trump running for office while he's in court!

But AG Garland has to step up to the plate and take his best swings. So far, the silence from the DOJ hasn't inspired confidence. Today's press conference announcing the DOJ's lawsuit against Texas, while very important, is a meaningless move if Trump and his cronies get back into power.

[bluestarone]

37. Absolutely in your corner with THIS!

Way past time. PLUS This country has to much at stake to NOT get these assholes heads rolling!! 22 will be way to late!

[Escurumbele]

38. You are 100% correct

Can't wait for it to happen.

[SheltieLover]

39. Absofuckingloutely!

[Rebl2]

40. Yep

That is all.

[LiberatedUSA]

43. The day that happens, they may want to raise the...

…terrorist threat level and be on high alert. Trumpers may be motivated by seeing that perp walk. They may view it as the sign they have been waiting for.

[Eyeball_Kid]

44. But... but... they're all afraid!

They’re afraid to treat Trump like an ordinary person— someone who lives under the Rule of Law! No way! We have to treat him like the Dictator-in-waiting!

[Stuart G]

46. ALSO THIS:.."MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IN THE U.S. KNOWS WHAT THE "BIG LIE" IS..

....not everyone knows it...and be sure to be able to prove it is a lie, right away..

[malaise]

52. True - but many don't care

some are too busy trying to survive and some live in their own world

[Edwcraig]

47. This is politics 101

You shutdown the big lie by immediately saying. "That a lie and the reason they are lying is they want to (pick your favorite) destroy democracy, eat your young - it does not matter.

WHAT YOU DO NOT DO IS TRY TO DEFEND THE LIE. YOU DO NOT EVER, EVER, EVER USE THEIR WORDS, I.E. CRITICAL RACE THEORY, SOCIALISM ETC. WE HAVE THE MOST NIAVE POLITICAL LEADERS EVER.

[AntiFascist]

48. The Republican Party would never survive the true purpose of the 2nd Amendment...

and that is all!

[Texaswitchy]

49. I hope Garland does something.

The republicans will not hold back if they get back into power.

Our side holding back hoping the Republicans will play nice is stupid.

The President and VP will be impeached.

Along with other horrible things the Republicans can dream up.

The America we know will disappear.

I Garland is getting ready to kick some Republican ass.
.

[marieo1]

50. Total Agreement

I say the same thing, I can't understand what is going on - why isn't he in prison already? It is scary to have him and his cohorts even walking freely and pushing their lies.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

51. Shut down the Big Lie with Big Truths in all caps.

In my head beginning late last year, I'm seeing billboards across the USA as such:

TRUMP LIED TO YOU
THE ELECTION WAS NOT STOLEN
www.election2020truth.com

(or something similar. That's not an actual web site)

The web is awash with misinformation on the election including many sites dedicated solely to that purpose.

Secretary Clinton is proven right each day that there's a "vast right-wing conspiracy" and our beloved internet is enabling that conspiracy and has exploded it exponentially.

KY........

[malaise]

57. there's a "vast right-wing conspiracy"

THIS

[malaise]

58. there's a "vast right-wing conspiracy"

THIS

[twodogsbarking]

54. There should be more interest in this by members of both parties.

[LaMouffette]

55. Although I cannot wait for the day when TFG's clothing matches his skin color, I disagree.

If the Slobfather (love that moniker!) were locked up, his ardent fans would likely rally around him even more passionately. I can already hear the chants of "Free Trump!" (and if I were an enterprising Trump humper with the financial means, I would start printing up T-shirts and other merch with that phrase on it right now!).

Not that that would be a reason NOT to lock him up. He needs to be imprisoned for what he's done, no matter what the reaction from his rabid base might be.

But I think to end the big lie, it will take two forces more powerful than Trump to turn on him: Republican billionaires (a.k.a. the American oligarchy) and rightwing media, including Fox News. Only if these two decide that Trump is no longer good for business and pull their support for him will the big lie recede from reality.

[zaj]

56. Martyrdom will make it all even worse.

And a failed prosecution, one where a proportional number of brainwashed MAGA jurors make it in the jury, could be vastly worse than no indictment.

[zaj]

62. No, just context. Go by the book. No mistakes.

[Hotler]

59. Yes! They need to be declared terrorist or enemy of the state and arrested or renditioned.

Team Biden might want to think about this. If the fascist take the House in 2022 they will install the orange one as ruler and the Biden family will be the first ones the Brown Shirts and Gestapo come for or flat out kill. TFG is a vengeful MFer. There will be a purge of the left and political enemy's.
Think Augusto Pinochet;
(snip) Pinochet immediately closed down the Chilean Parliament, suspended the constitution, banned all political and trade union activity and imposed strict controls over the media. Pinochet, who had appointed himself president, ordered a purge of the left in Chile. Over the next few years more than 3,000 supporters of the Allende regime were killed.

https://spartacus-educational.com/COLDpinochet.htm

[Texaswitchy]

63. Damn right.

The Democrats who think we can play nice with the Republicans are fools.

If the Republicans take over in the midterms it is over.


2024 will not matter..


There will be bloodshed.

Trump wants revenge.

[BeckyDem]

60. Accountability. We need it more than ever. n/t