If you aren't watching Rachel right now, pour yourself a tall one and tune in. nt

[Atticus]

[applegrove]

1. For those of us who are not able to get MSNBC what is the topic

tonight?

[leftieNanner]

2. Very Scary Stuff

About how the GOP is going to steal the 2024 election. And maybe 2022 as well.

[applegrove]

3. Thanks.

[IcyPeas]

4. And what are we -- the Democrats -- going to do?

Thanks. I'll catch it on the rerun.

[SoCalDavidS]

15. Crickets. nt

[sarcasmo]

34. Letters and rescheduling.

[Polybius]

31. They might not have to steal it

At this rate, they might win outright.

[Trueblue1968]

36. MAYBE IT WILL BE HARDER FOR THE GOP to win cuz all their people are dying from Covid.

[hlthe2b]

37. I listened long enough to know what she was going to talk about- decided to wait & listen to podcast

I know the issues already and am freaked out. I'd never sleep if I listened to it again before going to bed.

[Atticus]

5. She has on a reporter, Mr. Gellman, who predicted the "stop the steal" bullshit 10 days BEFORE

the last election. He now predicts democracy will die with Trump's election in '24 BECAUSE NO ONE IS ACTING TO PREVENT THE TRANSPARENT CONSPIRACY TO PUT HIM IN POWER BY ANY METHOD NECESSARY, INCLUDING VIOLENCE.

Gee, where have we heard "radical" and "unproven" "conspiracies" like this before?

[Hekate]

8. Isn't Gellman the one who just wrote the Atlantic article?

[Atticus]

9. Yes. nt

[Hekate]

12. Those interested can look it up at DU. There's a no-paywall link downthread

I merely scanned as I downloaded & it’s a real gut punch.

The link is here. https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16119010

[liberalla]

21. Thank you for the no-paywall link

[tishaLA]

27. thank you! nt

[Ace Rothstein]

19. Weren't people talking about this shit Trump would try and pull earlier in 2020?

Felt like there were a lot of opinion pieces out there which Trump kind of ended up using as a playbook.

[Yoyoyo77]

20. To be fair Cohen said the same thing in congress after he flipped.

[CrackityJones75]

22. Uhhh well we all predicted that shit.

Because they pretty much had fucking said they would pull that shit.

[Celerity]

25. Free MSNBC live stream, it's been around since 2008

https://livenewschat.eu/politics/

[applegrove]

29. Thanks. Will bookmark it. (I probably have it bookmarked already).

[Hoyt]

6. I'll wait for the fact-checking and confirmations.

[PlanetBev]

7. I watched it and I'm in a fetal position on the couch

Between this and my anxiety about Roe, it’s like waiting for the Sword of Damocles to fall. I don’t know if I can survive the next six months. I’ll wind up drooling in a corner.

🥶

[Mersky]

10. She interviewed the author of tRump's Next Coup Has Already Begun -- The Atlantic

January 6 was practice. Donald Trump’s GOP is much better positioned to subvert the next election.

The Atlantic
DECEMBER 6, 2021, 6 AM ET
By Barton Gellman

-snip-

“The democratic emergency is already here,” Richard L. Hasen, a professor of law and political science at UC Irvine, told me in late October. Hasen prides himself on a judicious temperament. Only a year ago he was cautioning me against hyperbole. Now he speaks matter-of-factly about the death of our body politic. “We face a serious risk that American democracy as we know it will come to an end in 2024,” he said, “but urgent action is not happening.”

For more than a year now, with tacit and explicit support from their party’s national leaders, state Republican operatives have been building an apparatus of election theft. Elected officials in Arizona, Texas, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, and other states have studied Donald Trump’s crusade to overturn the 2020 election. They have noted the points of failure and have taken concrete steps to avoid failure next time. Some of them have rewritten statutes to seize partisan control of decisions about which ballots to count and which to discard, which results to certify and which to reject. They are driving out or stripping power from election officials who refused to go along with the plot last November, aiming to replace them with exponents of the Big Lie. They are fine-tuning a legal argument that purports to allow state legislators to override the choice of the voters.

-snip-

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/01/january-6-insurrection-trump-coup-2024-election/620843/

[Takket]

14. Marc Elias is "fighting the good fight" on all these fronts..

but I feel like he could use some help from Congress especially. Pass the damn voting rights act already!!!!!!!!!!!! Looking at you Manchin and Sinema!!!!!!!!!! CARVE the filibuster for voting rights!

[blm]

23. Make it viral: Election Thugs for Trump

Election Thugs for Trump are Setting up the Steal.

[hlthe2b]

38. Elias has already said he can do little but fight around the margins. Federal action is only answer

Congress HAS to pass voting protections bills.

[Crunchy Frog]

28. We've all known about this for months.

We've literally been watching as it's been unfolding since Biden's inauguration.

Why is it just now a subject for sudden alarm?

[rso]

11. Rachel

As far as 2024, one big advantage that we have this time around, which was not the case in 2020, is that Biden will control the military and Intel services before, during and after the Election. So if the trumpsters want to get violent, let them bring it on.

[Crunchy Frog]

35. They won't need to get violent.

They only need to get Republican state legislatures to choose the "right" slates of electors, regardless of how the people in those states actually vote. With the voter suppression, they may not even need to go that far.

[DeeDeeNY]

13. Bart Gelman story in The Atlantic. Very frightening.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/01/january-6-insurrection-trump-coup-2024-election/620843/

“ Who or what will safeguard our constitutional order is not apparent today. It is not even apparent who will try. Democrats, big and small D, are not behaving as if they believe the threat is real. Some of them, including President Joe Biden, have taken passing rhetorical notice, but their attention wanders. They are making a grievous mistake.”

[SoCalDavidS]

16. Frank Figluzzi Said Same On Nicole Today

Time to leave now if you are able.

[dem4decades]

18. Then Rachel has old news, this has been reported on for a long time. It's over.

[iemanja]

24. I feel overwhelmed by all this.

I don't know what to do besides vote, and that's not enough.

[jalan48]

26. Nothing a little hero/shero worship can't solve.

More pics of politicians in cool sunglasses please!

[BlackSkimmer]

30. And wear your safety pins!

I was told right here that wearing safety pins will start a revolution.

Or something…

[jalan48]

32. A drowning man will grasp at a small piece of wood hoping it will improve his position.

Reality is setting in, trips to Disneyland just don’t feel like they used to.

[WHITT]

33. I've Been Making That Case

for some time:


Fascism In Three Easy Steps

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215723814

[mitch96]

39. I love Rachel to death and sometimes her exposing the reality of what might happen

really depresses me.. Got to get my ass in gear and do something other than just vote dem.
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