Mom from Oxford shooting posts the texts from that terrible day.

[Swede]

"I love you."

I replied to my daughter's text with a heart emoji.

A gun.

Is in the school

Love you more

Mom

I am shaking

What??

How do you know?

We're in ALICE

Training you mean?

No

Or a real lock down

Okay just listen to your teacher

Where are you?

In the class

Mommy

I am here

Is your teacher there

Yes

What are they saying

Lights are out?

Under desks?

We put desks in the front door

We're in the corner

Okay

Just follow what your teacher says

Which class are you in

Name of teacher

I am calling the police

You there?

and then....nothing....for the five longest minutes of my life...I heard nothing.


https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/opinion-my-children-survived-oxford-school-shooting-we-cant-allow-another-one?fbclid=IwAR0L0hhg5AHTsHEPN3cjFHbkcodPayfzRQnaKvjCLumAxkQPGOVLes9G_YY

[hlthe2b]

1. Wrenching...

[CrispyQ]

2. Would releasing photos of victims change anything?

I'm not advocating for or against this, I just often wonder about it since Sandy Hook. Would any gun humpers change their minds about regulation, if they saw what their weapons did to little kids? Or are they just too twisted with their gun love?

[Walleye]

6. Yes. Just that one graphic photo of what happened to the guys arm when Rittenhouse shot him

Was powerful. Funny how we are so squeamish about images but not about the actual events. I think we should show it. the picture of the operating room after they tried to say somebody was also powerful. People think you get shot and drop dead like in Gunsmoke or something

[Progressive Jones]

9. I believe that the crime scene photos of any mass killing

should be publicly released within 48 hours, by law.

[maxsolomon]

28. The answer is no. They would not change their minds.

I believe it would backfire, actually. "How can you be so disrespectful?".

If I had my way, you'd have to step over bullet-riddled corpses on your way in to a gun store, and fill in your background check with the blood of gun victims.

[MagickMuffin]

3. "We put desks in the front door We're in the corner"

This is what we are teaching our children how to prepare for gun violence!


And the gun nutz are proud to be able to buy as many weapons and ammo as possible. And in this case buy one for your mentally challenged son. What could possibly go wrong?

"We put desks in the front door We're in the corner"

[CrispyQ]

7. And they call themselves "pro-life" & the media lets them get away with that. -nt

[Probatim]

17. What would happen if kids protested the "live shooter" drills?

Would you get expelled for suggesting the schools do more to prevent shootings and that it's in the student's best interest to avoid the stress of such a drill?

Would you be suspended for asking principals and teachers to do more to prevent bullying?

I'd love to see something like this happen.

[ProfessorGAC]

33. Not Sure How That Works

I substitute teach, since I retired.
Doors are always locked. From the front door one has to pass through the, also mag locked office door.
They train all staff, even subs, get trained on shelter in place. They even train us to look for the area with worst sight lines, and things that could be used as a weapon if an intruder gets past the makeshift barricade.
No, every school doesn't have a magnetometer. But, the same people who insist on unfettered access to high capacity weaponry would also be the loudest & whiniest about tax increases to pay for magnetometers and security staff. If an area was 51% republican, the money would never be made available.
From what I see, there's not a lot more administrators can do, except be vigilant and prepared. Blaming schools for doing nothing more than being trained & prepared seems inappropriate

[Srkdqltr]

4. I am so angry that children and families have to be put through this.

My kids and all but one of my grands are out of school. One grand and 2 great grands to go.
I can't imagine being in this position .
I don't get why personal guns and why there isn't more attention given to troubled children.
I pay school taxes and would not mind paying my share towards more help for these kids .
If they HAVE to have guns can't we say out loud ....YOU MAY NOT SHOOT AT OTHER PEOPLE ?

[GPV]

5. And teachers. I dread the nightmare of who do I save?

[Srkdqltr]

8. Yes . They have it all.

[AndyS]

10. Any gunners here? Want to weigh in on how important guns are?

Like to explain how this is just the price of freedom? Care to explain why that price is never paid by gun owners?

[jcgoldie]

13. crickets

Good questions.

[SYFROYH]

20. I wouldnt say its the price of freedom, but .,.

…it is true that criminals take advantage of freedoms and liberties to commit crimes or evade punishment for their crimes.

I wonder often why school shootings are more frequent than they were before Columbine HS when there are fewer households with guns now than before. Fewer children have access to guns in their homes.

Ive heard lots of speculation about video games, medicated teens, poor mental health care, and no sense of community for children, among various things.

I recognize that many folks dont care about root causes and would be happy to ban guns.

[AZProgressive]

21. The problem is the easy access to guns

Definitely not video games.

[SYFROYH]

22. I don't think its video games either per se. But gun were more accessible in the past...

...and there were fewer school shootings.

[AndyS]

23. Yeah, right. There are 4.6 million kids (about a third of them) in homes with guns.

Did you know that roughly a third of U.S. homes with children have guns? In fact, an estimated 4.6 million kids live with unlocked, loaded guns. That's a scary statistic when you think about the fact that even young toddlers are capable of finding unlocked guns in the home, and they are strong enough to pull the trigger.
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In 2020, there were at least 369 unintended shootings by children in the United States. These shootings caused 142 deaths and 242 injuries. The COVID-19 pandemic hasn't helped either. From March to December 2020, unintended shooting deaths by kids went up more than 30% compared to the same time period in 2019.
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Kids and adolescents are at an increased risk for suicide when there is a gun in the home too. Suicide rates in this population are four times higher than for kids who live in homes without guns. In the past decade, 40% of the suicides committed by kids and teens involved guns. Nine out of 10 of these suicides were with guns that the victims accessed at their own homes or from a relative's home.
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The risk of homicide is three times higher when there are guns in the home. Not only that, but 58% of shooting deaths in children and teens are homicides.

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/safety-prevention/at-home/Pages/Handguns-in-the-Home.aspx

[SYFROYH]

24. right which is fewer household guns than in the past.

Household with guns is clearly trending down. It is not possible to make the case that more school shootings are happening because kids and teens have more access to guns.

[AndyS]

25. Assuming you are right, which I do not believe,

the easy accessibility of guns is the number one cause of gun violence (per Amnesty International) and there are now more guns than people in the US.

Does more of a thing mean more availability to it? I find it hard to believe that adding 1.4 million new gun into circulation every year (only .5 million leave circulation) makes guns less accessible.

Is there some magic thinking that I don't understand?

Is 4.6 million kids with access to unsecured guns too many, about right or too few?

When will those with guns start to pay the price of freedom?

[SYFROYH]

27. Its not magical thinking. Its understanding the statistics of two different gun ownership trends.

Yes, there are more guns in the general public, but fewer people/households, as a percentage, possess guns.

One study estimated that just 3% of people own 50+% of firearms in the US.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/19/us-gun-ownership-survey

The percentage of households with guns in them has been trending downward for decades.

If guns aren't in the household then they are not accessible to children.

4.6 million kids having access to guns seems very high to me given the relatively low number of shootings involving children.

As to your last question, "When will those with guns start to pay the price of freedom?", the data you cited shows they already are.

[AndyS]

29. The data shows that it isn't the gun owners who pay the price

but the innocents around them.

Peace

[maxsolomon]

31. I read that as fairly steady.

94 & 99 seem like outliers, but 40% seems like the number for the last 40 years.

[ProfessorGAC]

34. Totally Agree

There's that steady climb that culminates at 1994.
Then, households fall 12% in 3 years. That seems odd.
But, the trend line extends to that '99 number of 34%.
Using the moving range average to estimate standard deviation, the '99 data itself is an outlier, '94 is not.
HOWEVER, the upper limit of the moving range shows an outlier with those big increases prior to '94.
So, about 3 of those years are outliers, because the yearly change, compared to the other 37 years, is statistically significantly different.
I question whether the data collection scheme got altered somehow during that period. It really is counterintuitive.

[Torchlight]

32. I would say it's a price of freedom.

As it is an "unpleasant results that you must accept or experience for getting or doing something"

Difficult to argue 'price' isn't appropriate or accurate usage, regardless of how bad it looks.

[maxsolomon]

30. they know to lay low in the aftermath of school shootings.

they'll be back to quibble about technicalities and hypotheticals soon.

[bronxiteforever]

11. Kick

[IronLionZion]

12. The generation of kids who grew up with school shootings

are hopefully the generation that will finally bring about some sensible reforms as more of them become adults. There's way too many of them.

[arlyellowdog]

14. My son was at Virginia Tech during the shootings

The thing I remember most is that after the shootings were over, a policeman in a room filled with bodies said the only sound was the ringing of the cellphones of the dead children.

[Delphinus]

15. Oh my ...

[Swede]

19. Dear god.

What have these gun nuts done to the USA?

[The Jungle 1]

16. Wow I don't know how I will undo that knot.

[Gaugamela]

18. I think of the guy who asked "When do we start getting to use the guns?"

The truth is, they have been using them since Sandy Hook. TFG escalated it with his rhetoric and blood lust. The events of Kenosha, Ahmaud Arbery, and now Oxford MI, along with many others, are all the inevitable consequences of the culture of violence that Trump and the Republicans have stoked for well over a decade. Sooner or later, if justice fails, people will take things into their own hands. This will only end when the cult of insurrection, lies, and violence comes back to bite them.

I’m not advocating violence. I’m just saying that any people, pushed far enough, will resort to strapping on suicide vests to defend themselves.

My daughter was in lockdown at her high school about 6 years ago in an active shooter event. I started receiving a series of texts through the afternoon. She wasn’t hurt, but it took her two weeks with the coaching of a therapist and school counselor and the school resource officer for her to go back. Reading the texts in the OP brought it all back.

[moondust]

26. "Duck and cover" drills

used to be about the remote possibility of a nuclear explosion. They never mentioned hiding from school shooters with military weapons.