It just occurred to me. We are now 11 months past a FAILED COUP and not one fucking leader of it . .

[Stinky The Clown]

. . . . has been charged with one fucking thing.

Have a nice day.

[SoCalDavidS]

1. Patience

Five Dimensional Chess

[Celerity]

16. here

https://www.chess.com/news/view/5d-chess

[StClone]

27. That's new...I am still mastering the old one

[paleotn]

38. More like this....

And it started with Mueller.

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[BlueTsunami2018]

2. And in thirteen more they can make the whole thing go away.

Isn’t it great to have won?

[Stinky The Clown]

3. By "Leader" I mean the gang members who had offices in the Capitol and The White House

I don't mean Oaf Keeps and 3% or whatever other assholes were on the ground. I mean those who planned and incited it.

[SoCalDavidS]

22. This Was All Predicted By Many Here At DU

Lots of sacrificial lambs, the lower level insurrectionists, would receive light to medium sentences, while those who essentially orchestrated the day's events, would get away without any consequences.

Some are still holding on to the belief that suddenly, circumstances would change. I don't want to stand in the way of their beliefs, but I know that it's no more than fantasy at this juncture.

[Stinky The Clown]

28. Agreed

[Evolve Dammit]

47. Just like Iraq torture, only a couple non-comms. Or Khashoggi's murder? This is going nowhere.

Not since Watergate has there been meaningful prosecution. The system is broken and the "guardrails" are gone. This will immensely please the evil-doers, but they already know it. July for Bannon hearing when he requested October? How about next week and a non-knock FBI raid to haul his ass in, like Roger Stone or Manafort if he doesn't comply? And that's when Jeff Sessions was AG, FCS.

[doc03]

4. They are going to run out the clock nobody will be charged. nt

[Stinky The Clown]

5. That seems to be the trajectory

[doc03]

7. If Trump would have been able to replace General Milley that SOB would be president today.

It was obvious on January 6th the military was ordered to stand down and let it happen. I mean they let
the capitol of the US be under attack for over 3 hours and did nothing! The military and Trump sat back and
let it happen until they saw it was failing before doing anything.
I watched the insurrection all afternoon on January 6 th and kept thinking WHERE THE FUCK IS THE MILITARY.
There in no doubt they were ordered to stand down until they saw it was going to fail.

[leftieNanner]

6. Yeah.

Bannon's lawyers want his contempt trial set for next October. I wonder why that is?

Judge said no. It's set for July.

[SoCalDavidS]

23. It's Set For July As Of Now

FUCKING JULY!!!!

Come July, some of us won't be surprised when it gets pushed back once again.

[monkeyman1]

33. prosecutor's saying that it's a 1 day deal -wtf ???

[onecaliberal]

45. What could possibly take that long?

[paleotn]

40. Appeal and it's 2023

and if Dems don't control the House after 1/3/23, it will all be dropped.

[KPN]

41. July?! WTF! We are so screwed. Why isn't DOJ

pressing the courts to expedite this stuff?

[pwb]

8. I am hoping we are waiting

for the best political time to proceed. Soon for 2022 elections and save the big ones for 2024. Patients works for me. I like thinking pukes are squirming in wait.

[traitorsgalore]

11. The pukes are planning in wait, gerrymandering and putting people in power for a coup

Everyday that goes by without arrests further enables them.

[pwb]

12. I don't see it that way. Pukes are weak.

The blue wave is building.

[dem4decades]

13. You're not paying attention.

[pwb]

17. I have lived through many hard times.

Please don't think you know me in any way.

[Celerity]

19. I follow the elections pretty closely, and we have had only one huge break so far, and that could

blow up in our face.

Sununu is not going to run for Senate in NH (nor is Ayotte). Hassan was fairly likely toast if Sununu had run (NH flipped both chambers from Blue to Red in their statehouse in 2020 and is trending more Red overall atm). It was my number one chance to lose a seat via a flip of a Blue to a Red seat until Sununu declined. Ayotte had a decent shot as well.

The potential blow-up-in-our-face part is the new favourite to win the Rethug primary is a far more radical RWNJ, Bolduc, and he would be far worse to have in the Senate than Sununu or Ayotte.

Brian Sandoval refusing to run in Nevada is good for us too, but Adam Laxalt is hardly a pushover, and IF he gets in, he is more than a wee bit younger than Sandoval (almost 3 full 6 year Senate terms younger, he will be 44 in August 2022) and thus could be there for 30+ years.

IF Manchin and/or Sinema refuse to allow a filibuster carve out for the voter rights bills, we are in deep shit as well, especially when combined with the gerrymandering, the lose of seats via the Census, and then the horrid historical performance for first term Dem POTUS's in their initial midterms.

[Voltaire2]

26. The best time was Jan 20, 12:01pm.

[Tickle]

9. Timing is

everything. We’re going to get him next year right before elections and that’s how we’ll put a wrench in this whole we’re going to lose the elections bullfeathers talk 😉remember you heard it from the new girl

[monkeyman1]

37. very good new girl -"tickle"- welcome to this outlet !!!!

[Ferrets are Cool]

10. It is so fucking depressing.

Makes me want to just hide my head in a hole. When ALL I can do is vote and encourage others to do so, it is more than depressing.

[jalan48]

14. We're entering too big to jail time.

[monkeyman1]

39. no such thing !! - took yrs to get big AL in chi-town !!!

[jalan48]

42. But, did Big Al have almost the entire Republican Party backing him?

[Fiendish Thingy]

15. It took 9 months to indict George Papadapolous for making false statements

A successful (emphasis on successful) prosecution of an attempted coup would naturally take a while longer.

You can whine, or you can educate yourself. I recommend starting here:

https://www.emptywheel.net/2021/12/03/ten-things-tv-lawyers-can-do-rather-than-whinging-about-merrick-garland/

[Stinky The Clown]

18. . . . .

[KPN]

43. Well duh ... under TFGs administration. Surprised it happened at all.

[Fiendish Thingy]

48. It was Meuller the Special Counsel. Nt

[Caliman73]

20. We have strong suspicion who the leaders are...

The question is, do we have sufficient proof to charge and convict?

This is the good AND bad of our legal system (aside from the flagrant inequality, which is just BAD), that you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, that people actually, materially did something illegal before charging and convicting.

It can be frustrating, but it is the way our laws are set up.

[KPN]

44. Well, then they are laws that actually give an advantage to

a party made up of would be dictators in a two party system. Not a good look for the two party system actually.

[traitorsgalore]

21. Here's the man we need to charge them: Glenn Kirschner

https://www.politicususa.com/2021/12/04/former-federal-prosecutor-kirschner-guarantees-trump-prosecution-on-evidence-available.html

[SoCalDavidS]

25. I'll Say This

There's a reason Glenn was not considered for the position.

If there was any real desire for accountability and consequences, he would have been.

[Stinky The Clown]

29. Agreed . . . . for the second time in this thread

[NightWatcher]

24. and they'll take back the House and all the inquiries go bye bye

Then they'll put tfg back in office and he or his kids will never leave.


But please, take your sweet fucking time responding to this crime that damn near toppled Congress last January.

[Grasswire2]

34. Can you imagine the shit show if Trump is made Speaker (as they say) nt

[hay rick]

30. It looks like weakness, swims like weakness, and quacks like weakness but...

I'm not jumping to any conclusions.

[catbyte]

31. I don't think shit's gonna happen. The precedent was set for presidents to get away with

anything and everything scot free when Ford pardoned Nixon.

It sucks.

[Grasswire2]

32. Hey!

Look forward, not back!!

Get with the program.

It has worked so well over the last several decades to contain racists, torturers, seditionists, criminals in power.

/sarcasm.

[uponit7771]

35. It took 12 months to charge the leader of America's last terrorist attack didn't it ?! Or ...

... was that 11 days, don't remember / sarc

[PTWB]

36. Based on our recent history, why on earth did you or anyone else think they'd be held to account?

[CaptainTruth]

46. There could be good reasons for that.

How many of us thoroughly understand the kind of evidence that is necessary to meet the standards of proof to convict someone of "leading a coup"? Based on my limited understanding of the laws involved, I doubt such evidence exists.

I also see lots of folks refer to specific acts that they feel constitute "planning" or "leading," when under US law those acts come no where near what legally constitutes planning or leading. They are "awful but lawful" as some would say.

[Ferryboat]

49. Useful idiot's are always the first to be held accountable

It takes time to put together a successful prosecution, especially with some many individuals / participants.

We all know who this leads to. Unfortunately it going to be up to NY prosecutors and attorney general of Georgia to actually enforce penalties against TFG.

[twodogsbarking]

50. Professional courtesy.