Hispanic Voters Now Evenly Split Between Parties

[applegrove]

https://politicalwire.com/2021/12/08/hispanic-voters-now-evenly-split-between-parties/

Hispanic Voters Now Evenly Split Between Parties

December 8, 2021 at 10:28 am EST By Taegan Goddard 124 Comments

"SNIP......

A new Wall Street Journal poll of Hispanic voters find 44% would back President Biden in the next presidential election while 43% would support Donald Trump.

Asked which party they would back if the election were today, 37% of Hispanic voters said they would support the Republican congressional candidate and 37% said they would favor the Democrat, with 22% undecided.

.....SNIP"



And this:

Almost No Hispanic Voters Prefer ‘Latinx’

December 8, 2021 at 9:34 am EST By Taegan Goddard 136 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2021/12/08/almost-no-hispanic-voters-prefer-latinx-descriptor/

"SNIP........

A new Bendixen & Amandi poll of Hispanic voters finds just 2% of those polled refer to themselves as Latinx, while 68% call themselves “Hispanic” and 21% favored “Latino” or “Latina” to describe their ethnic background.”

......SNIP"

[FSogol]

1. Hispanics have been joining Evangelical churches in droves. That's the cause. n/t

[UTUSN]

10. From the frying pan (Catholic) to the fire. Plus, big #s of them don't vote.

The non-voters on a day to day subsistence level, nothing left over for frills like getting informed on their best interests and voting.

Actually the wingnuts waste energy on voter suppression because of the self-owning of voting against their best interests and their not voting at all.

African-Americans and LBJ knew where it's at: Voting.

[cilla4progress]

12. I also think there's a dynamic

where people who buy organized religion's line hook line and sinker are more susceptible to lying in general, wishful thinking. Easy to pull the wool over their eyes.

[shrike3]

13. Considering black churches played a vital role in civil rights.

That's not entirely true.

[cilla4progress]

28. May be

a different dynamic.

But I take your point.

[shrike3]

33. There is also the devout Catholic who is our president.

Everyone should believe or not believe whatever they want. But there are religious folks of all types, not just Christians, who may be valuable allies. Don't dismiss them.

[cilla4progress]

35. Completely agree.

That's why i included the qualifier "who buy organized religion's line hook line and sinker," by which I mean, without question.

For example, Joe Biden, a devout Catholic as you say, is pro-choice.

[pandr32]

19. + 100000000

They have swallowed the "God and Country" myth hook line and sinker and are also not as strongly union as they once were.

[Celerity]

31. +10000000000000000

I have been on this for ages, so glad to see others aware of this.

[uponit7771]

2. DNC not talking DIRECTLY to communities of color, multiple 2020 post mortems outline this and now

... we have the results of this lack of communication.

We need a full time czar of communication for dems, it's no doubt a 24 hour job

[cilla4progress]

3. I have anticipated this.

I don't see a lot of outreach to Hispanic / Latino / Latinx communities where I live.

This will come back to bite us, I'm afraid ...

[applegrove]

5. Steve Bannon bragged about getting Hispanic support when he was

outside the court a few weeks ago.

[jimfields33]

8. That's for sure.

The Democratic Party has great support for POC as a whole, but really the Hispanics are not as supported as other groups. We have time to turn this around.

[javihehim]

4. I have lived in East Los Angeles since the 70s

this split happens whenever the violence tics up, happened in the early 90s

[gopiscrap]

7. welcome to DU

[Brother Buzz]

22. It happened in the sixties, too, and in spades

There was so much of a shift following the Watts Riots in 1965, Ronald Reagan was able to saunter into the Governor's office with a fucking crown on his head.

[luckone]

25. Welcome javi

[Elessar Zappa]

6. Those are bad numbers for us.

Hispanic outreach must be a top priority for the midterms.

[LeftInTX]

47. Absolutely!!! 39% of Texas is Hispanic.

Can't ignore the numbers.

The Democratic Party works very well with the African-American community, however the AA is a much smaller percentage of the population.

It also shouldn't be all that hard to appeal to Latinos. Don't focus on immigration or latinx.

Focus on working class issues.

And if you gonna do any lame pandering: Do it with food!!! (Go figure. I'm married to one) Know the food....and learn to pronounce it. It sounds stupid and cliche, but food is very important in the culture. Learn to like the food. Plus, food pandering is pretty darn easy if you ask me!! LOL

[UTUSN]

9. K&R

[dalton99a]

11. The wingnuts are making serious inroads

using word of mouth and social media

In South Texas, they used "Defund the Police" and "Open Borders" to great effect in the last cycle

[old as dirt]

14. How are we doing with Gringos?

Or Gringx's, or whatever we call ourselves these days.

[thatdemguy]

15. First stop using Latinx.

why, from the article linked in the op.

the use of the term is actually a liability this key part of the Democratic coalition: “40 percent said Latinx bothers or offends them to some degree and 30 percent said they would be less likely to support a politician or organization that uses the term.”

[Doremus]

16. offs

Unreal. I'm going to assume the GQP supporters don't give a shit about orange puke's border policies (among many other issues).

[TheFarseer]

17. How bad is Democratic messaging

or leadership or whatever you want to blame when the other party’s message is “We hate you and we want you to leave” and Latinos go, “Hmmmmm, I can’t decide. They seem about equal.”

[chowder66]

26. Is it the messaging or is it lazy thinkers? My guess is that most people side with whatever gives

them the highest emotion. Hate, anger and shock drive people more than comfort, peace and progress.

For what it's worth I agree with the point you are making outside of Democratic messaging. The twisted logic is spot on.

[cinematicdiversions]

29. So your working theory is Latlnos are lazy thinkers? Nt

[chowder66]

30. No. I could have said it better but there are voters from all walks of life

that don't take the time to really understand the issues or investigate policies, party principles, candidates for office, etc.

[treestar]

43. Some are

As in every group of humans. Are you denying that?

[Amishman]

36. There's a divide between citizens and undocumented

Citizens, particularly those who came here through the official immigration system, seem to look down on those who lack legal status here.

My area, particularly neighboring Berks county, has a big Puerto Rican population. From what I see, they do not get along well with recent immigrants from central America

Traditional views of masculinity and femininity seem well entrenched with this demographic as well

[LeftInTX]

41. Yep

It is the same with other ethnic groups too, why would it be different with Hispanics?

White people aren't expected to want a bunch of European immigrants in the country....why should white people expect Hispanics to want a bunch of immigrants?

[treestar]

42. Many refuse to March in lock step

So there is no way to get everyone to stay on messaging. Anyway it is a 50/50 proposition. It is not all the fault of the campaigner. Some just won’t listen.

[LeftInTX]

44. The Republicans do not want US citizens (aka voters) to leave!!!

There is a huge difference!!!

[Polybius]

53. A huge amount of Hispanics were born here

They might agree.

[walkingman]

18. In Tejas most of the counties along the Rio Grande are blue but that is changing

because of several factors. The Tejanos do not consider themselves Hispanic or people of color, they think of themselves as white. Definitely not immigrants - "They didn't cross the border, the border crossed them".

Even as most of the Southern states left the Democratic Party after the civil rights movement the border continued to vote Democratic for years. It was led by a "Patron" political class system that voted Democrat but that is changing. One of the big problems is jobs - specifically by the oil and gas industry, and also law enforcement and Border Patrol.

Add to that a very large anti-abortion message from the churches and it spells trouble for the Democratic Party.

Another factor is that many Tejanos like Trump for his brutish and unapologetic masculinity, his machismo.

Bottom Line - The Democratic Party needs to spend some time, money, and effort to maintain the Hispanic vote which tends to be the majority of new citizens or Texas may never turn blue.

[dalton99a]

23. +1

[EleanorR]

20. They have been subject to massive disinformation campaigns

Several misinformation researchers told Recode that they’re seeing alarming amounts of misinformation about voter fraud and Democratic leaders being shared in Latino social media communities. Biden is a popular target, with misinformation ranging from exaggerated claims that he embraces Fidel Castro-style socialism to more patently false and outlandish ones, for instance that the president-elect supports abortion minutes before a child’s birth or that he orchestrated a caravan of Cuban immigrants to infiltrate the US Southern border and disrupt the election process.

“What I’ve seen during this election looks to be a multifaceted misinformation effort seeking to undermine Biden and Harris’s support amongst the Latino community,” said Sam Woolley, a misinformation and propaganda researcher at the University of Texas Austin. “I think that political groups understand that the Latino vote matters and they are showing they are willing to use any and all informational tactics to get what they want.”

https://www.vox.com/recode/21574293/social-media-latino-voters-2020-election

[betsuni]

40. +1

[StevieM]

21. So can we now stop pretending that Hillary did nothing right as a candidate?

She did awfully well among Hispanic voters compared to how we are currently doing. The media took flawed poll numbers at the end of the election, and then ignored the corrected numbers when they indicated that HRC won Latinos by up to 75 percent to 20 percent for Trump. Even the debunked 66/29 numbers that they went with look pretty good right now.

So let's give her some credit and acknowledge that 2016 was all about a phony scandal concerning an email server. James Comey dominated that election from start to finish. And it wasn't that big of a deal that she didn't hold a rally in Wisconsin after the primaries, especially since she spent enormous amounts there in commercials and also had a huge ground game (both bigger than Obama had in 2012).

[iemanja]

24. thank you.

[betsuni]

45. +1

[luckone]

27. Big conservative pushes centered on specific communities by Bannon etc. don't help

His number one target he declared last year was hispanic voters

[Cha]

32. So 1/2 of Hispanics dig

Fascism, Gallighting, and leaders Lying their GD heads OFF.. go it.

Not fucking impressed.

[Mad_Machine76]

34. Is there ANY good news anymore?

Seems like 2021 has pretty much nothing but a stream of bad news other than Trump not being President anymore.

[hunter]

37. Same Authoritarian / Liberal divide that afflicts the U.S.A. at large.

In many ways the U.S.A. has more in common with Latin America than it does with any Western European style Social Democracies, including Canada.

And racism exists in all these cultures.

Here in the U.S.A we just happen to mostly speak English instead of Spanish or Portuguese, up until we invented nuclear weapons and ICBMs using immigrant power, which made us exceptional.

It wouldn't be a sociology study I'd touch with a ten foot pole, but I'd guess most of the "Hispanic" Republicans believe they'll someday be assimilated, or at least accepted, by "traditional" white racist patriarchal U.S.A. culture, if they haven't been already.

Passing as white.

My very white Protestant great aunt's last husband and one true forever love was a multilingual Catholic Italian immigrant. Being Catholic and Southern European Italian wasn't at all cool in the U.S.A. when she married him, it was a scandal. He was eventually assimilated, could play golf with the bigwigs, but he never bought into the anti-immigrant or racist Republican hysteria. He'd happily hire anyone who could do the job and treat them well, always eager to learn new languages and cultures.

One of my grandfathers wasn't as flexible. He had a freak out when my wife and I announced our engagement, and he boycotted our wedding. Men in his family simply didn't marry, in his own words, "Mexican girls." Especially the Catholic dark haired brown eyed sort who easily tan. To his credit he got over it.

[JanMichael]

38. I doubt Pinochet would have been a Dem. No surprise.

Just like "white" people there are Left and Right and from many different countries which we seem to always ignore.

[LeftInTX]

39. They are opening up flop houses in every city and calling them RNC Hispanic Community Centers

They bring homeless people in and feed them.

They are also bringing in confirmed Democratic Party members and converting them and paying them for data.

They have "domestic violence support groups" and "human trafficking support groups"

[applegrove]

46. Sounds like jihadists in the ME. Republicans are anti-life for Americans of having-beeen-born.

[LeftInTX]

48. Yes! Same concept...

[radius777]

49. There are many reasons for this trend.

The lockdowns hurt us with Latinos, many of whom didn't qualify for stimulus or unemployment, and can only survive if the economy is open.

The problem at the border, too much immigration (whether legal or illegal) directly affects Latinos here as they then have to compete with the new immigrants for jobs, housing etc. Biden is perceived as more liberal on immigration than Obama and Hillary was, who were more centrist on that issue and did far better with Latinos.

Crime is another major issue that Dem local officials (mayors, DA's, etc) are seen to be overly permissive of, and Latinos tend to be very family oriented and worry about crime.

Trump's strongman act works with many Latinos who come from countries with such leaders.

There is also alot of misinformation online which Dems fail to counteract. Our outreach to many of these communities (particularly in Florida and Texas) is poor.

There are also some Latinos who are more 'white identified' and don't like darker Latinos or black people.

[LeftInTX]

51. They also hate wearing masks and social distancing etc.

Latinos are more social than white people and they really hate lockdowns, masks etc....


This is even true among Democrats.

I go to my local HEB and no one is wearing a mask.
Yesterday, I went to a more suburban HEB (more white, more GOP) and everyone was wearing a mask.
I was kinda surprised to see all the masks.

[oasis]

52. I agree 100% with your last point. nt

[Liberal In Texas]

50. The rise of RW Spanish radio stations.

The RW is branching out the propaganda machine to try and convert the Spanish speaking electorate.

Seems they're succeeding. Dems better pay attention and start getting more aggressive in fostering more progressive radio ownership.