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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis Appeals Court opinion isn't mincing words.
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https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21151604/12-9-21-dc-circuit-opinion-trump-v-thompson.pdfIt's way too long to post in its entirety, but it contains statements such as "The events of January 6, 2021 marked the most significant assault on the Capitol since the War of 1812."
It speaks highly of President Biden's judgment in waiving executive privilege and harshly of Trump's invocation of it.
Excerpt:
"The very essence of the Article I power is legislating, and so there would seem to be few, if any, more imperative interests squarely within Congresss wheelhouse than ensuring the safe and uninterrupted conduct of its constitutionally assigned business. Here, the House of Representatives is investigating the single most deadly attack on the Capitol by domestic forces in the history of the United States. Lives were lost; blood was shed; portions of the Capitol building were badly damaged; and the lives of members of the House and Senate, as well as aides, staffers, and others who were working in the building, were endangered. They were forced to flee, preventing the legislators from completing their constitutional duties until the
next day."
" ( Trump) has not identified any specific countervailing need for confidentiality tied to the documents at issue, beyond their being presidential communications. Neither has he presented arguments that grapple with the substance of President Bidens and Congresss weighty judgments. Nor has he made even a preliminary showing that the content of any particular document lacks relevance to the Committees investigation. He offers instead only a grab-bag of objections that simply assert without elaboration his superior assessment of Executive Branch interests, insists that Congress and the Committee have no legitimate legislative interest in an attack on the Capitol, and impugns the motives of President Biden and the House. That falls far short of meeting his burden and makes it impossible for this court to find any likelihood of success."
"Benjamin Franklin said, at the founding, that we have [a] Republicif [we] can keep it. The events of January 6th exposed the fragility of those democratic institutions and traditions that we had perhaps come to take for granted. In response, the President of the United States and Congress have each made the judgment that access to this subset of presidential communication records is necessary to address a matter of great constitutional moment for the Republic. Former President Trump has given this court no legal reason to cast aside President Bidens assessment of the Executive Branch interests at stake, or to create a separation of powers conflict that the Political Branches have avoided.
The judgment of the district court denying a preliminary injunction is affirmed."
sheshe2
(83,860 posts)Pachamama
(16,887 posts)Kick
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)The Kraken lawyers cracked over the head.
calimary
(81,440 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)Ohioboy
(3,243 posts)I needed that!
Claire Oh Nette
(2,636 posts)nt
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Where Nine Wise Souls will review the lower court opinions grounded in facts and reality, reject those facts and reality, and substitute facts and reality of their own in reaching the desired result. It's the Federalist Society way!
Tommy Carcetti
(43,191 posts)The conservatives on the court are conservative in ideology without necessary respect to Trump as a personality. And that includes the three justices he appointed. They're very happy he appointed them to do the will of the Federalist Society, but owe less of a duty towards him personally as they do to their ideology.
And this case is about Trump personally, and not conservative ideology. So I think they'll tell him to pound sand.
Not that it excuses any other ideological rulings on their parts, mind you.
Response to gratuitous (Reply #10)
Chin music This message was self-deleted by its author.
Justice matters.
(6,939 posts)Not a chance that RWSC will overrule "the president is not a king and trump is not president" ruling.
ybbor
(1,555 posts)Efilroft Sul
(3,581 posts)If Trump's foot soldiers could have killed every Congressional Democrat on January 6, they would have.
DFW
(54,436 posts)The Right Wing Six would have a hard time deconstructing and finding fault with their reasoning on Constitutional grounds. Besides, they are now there for life, and they know Trump has no problem trashing former allies if they displease him. Not only that, Trump has one huge obstacle that he can never overcome: he has already been born. Too late!
calimary
(81,440 posts)Call em like we see em.
liberalla
(9,257 posts)MiHale
(9,773 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,258 posts)As a previous judge said he's not president, he's not King. I haven't heard the argument that he works for the people, which he does, and lost that job, and the records belong to the government of the people. That's the end of the story. There is no - none - zero - "countervailing need for confidentiality". The records are not about a private business, copyright protection, patents, national security which he is no longer responsible for - the records are about the US Government under seige that he instigated. The court is giving him a window to appeal, to drag out page by page some asserted privilege that doesn't exist. I'd be surprised if he doesn't go there in appeal.
calimary
(81,440 posts)Thats what you briefly were, as Occupant of the Oval Office, donald. Public SERVANT Number One. Even when you stole it, you still managed to get your fat accursed ass in there.
The President of the United States is a Public SERVANT. ANY - and EVERY - President of the United States is. He or she is formally HIRED by The PUBLIC. At four-year intervals. The highest-ranking public servant, true. But still a Public SERVANT.
We the People must NEVER forget that. WE rule. Of the People, By the People, and For the People. And the Oval Office is just that: an office. NOT a throne room.
Hassler
(3,389 posts)Linda Ed
(493 posts)Morning Consult is reporting that the popularity of Biden is off the charts. Other countries now view the United States extremely favorably. In fact, their approval of the United States has skyrocketed and now is more than 30 points higher than it was at the end of the insurrectionists term.
Tired of hearing negative on Biden in other news...He has done more in a year than trump did in 4
Orrex
(63,220 posts)After mentioning briefly that his "agenda" (a term not actually clarified in the report) is polling well with Democrats, they made a point of stressing that it's much less popular with Republikkkans and Independents.
It's the standard mode for reporting on Democrats: shine a bright spotlight on any unfavorable news, while carefully tucking positive news away where no one will have to see it.
Aussie105
(5,420 posts)I'm glad no court is sweeping it under the carpet.
What led up to it needs to be thoroughly investigated, and acted upon to the full extent of the law.
No keeping documents secret, no accepting 'they was just tourists!' from guilty parties.
In a different time and a different place, heads would be on the chopping block. Literally.
FakeNoose
(32,722 posts)Thanks for posting this
mrsadm
(1,198 posts)explanation of the importance of the records to history.
Wild blueberry
(6,652 posts)Thank you.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)Iveraon said about Practice,Practice, We Talkin about Practice. Well its the Capitol, the Capitol, we aint talkin about no small town hall we are talking about the
Capitol,
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