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Tommy Carcetti

(43,191 posts)
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 06:02 PM Dec 2021

This Appeals Court opinion isn't mincing words.

Last edited Thu Dec 9, 2021, 06:32 PM - Edit history (1)

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21151604/12-9-21-dc-circuit-opinion-trump-v-thompson.pdf

It's way too long to post in its entirety, but it contains statements such as "The events of January 6, 2021 marked the most significant assault on the Capitol since the War of 1812."

It speaks highly of President Biden's judgment in waiving executive privilege and harshly of Trump's invocation of it.

Excerpt:

"The very essence of the Article I power is legislating, and so there would seem to be few, if any, more imperative interests squarely within Congress’s wheelhouse than ensuring the safe and uninterrupted conduct of its constitutionally assigned business. Here, the House of Representatives is investigating the single most deadly attack on the Capitol by domestic forces in the history of the United States. Lives were lost; blood was shed; portions of the Capitol building were badly damaged; and the lives of members of the House and Senate, as well as aides, staffers, and others who were working in the building, were endangered. They were forced to flee, preventing the legislators from completing their constitutional duties until the
next day."


" ( Trump) has not identified any specific countervailing need for confidentiality tied to the documents at issue, beyond their being presidential communications. Neither has he presented arguments that grapple with the substance of President Biden’s and Congress’s weighty judgments. Nor has he made even a preliminary showing that the content of any particular document lacks relevance to the Committee’s investigation. He offers instead only a grab-bag of objections that simply assert without elaboration his superior assessment of Executive Branch interests, insists that Congress and the Committee have no legitimate legislative interest in an attack on the Capitol, and impugns the motives of President Biden and the House. That falls far short of meeting his burden and makes it impossible for this court to find any likelihood of success."


"Benjamin Franklin said, at the founding, that we have “[a] Republic”—“if [we] can keep it.” The events of January 6th exposed the fragility of those democratic institutions and traditions that we had perhaps come to take for granted. In response, the President of the United States and Congress have each made the judgment that access to this subset of presidential communication records is necessary to address a matter of great constitutional moment for the Republic. Former President Trump has given this court no legal reason to cast aside President Biden’s assessment of the Executive Branch interests at stake, or to create a separation of powers conflict that the Political Branches have avoided.

The judgment of the district court denying a preliminary injunction is affirmed."
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This Appeals Court opinion isn't mincing words. (Original Post) Tommy Carcetti Dec 2021 OP
Kicking sheshe2 Dec 2021 #1
Pretty clear opinion Pachamama Dec 2021 #2
Yes. Legal equivalent of a knee to the throat from the top of the ropes. Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #6
Sure works for me! calimary Dec 2021 #9
K&R! SheltieLover Dec 2021 #3
Love to hear it!! bearsfootball516 Dec 2021 #4
To quote Joe: "This is a big fuckin' deal!" panader0 Dec 2021 #5
Yes! Ohioboy Dec 2021 #7
the single most deadly attack on the Capitol by domestic forces in the history of the United States. Claire Oh Nette Dec 2021 #8
Now on to the Supreme Court gratuitous Dec 2021 #10
Maybe not here. Tommy Carcetti Dec 2021 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #13
Then Joe Biden would become a king, ignore Congress and rule by fiat... Justice matters. Dec 2021 #23
K&R ybbor Dec 2021 #11
The office of Article II instigated an attack against the representatives of Article I Efilroft Sul Dec 2021 #14
The appeals court was very specific DFW Dec 2021 #15
"The Right Wing Six." I like that! calimary Dec 2021 #25
K&R! liberalla Dec 2021 #16
KnR...bookmarking for later reading MiHale Dec 2021 #17
I find it ridiculous that they don't toss the suit outright bucolic_frolic Dec 2021 #18
Don't forget: the President is first and foremost a Public SERVANT. calimary Dec 2021 #26
America's Biggest Loser loses again Hassler Dec 2021 #19
Morning Consult is reporting that the popularity of Biden is off the charts. Linda Ed Dec 2021 #20
NPR yesterday made a point of highlighting Biden's "negative" numbers Orrex Dec 2021 #24
What happened on Jan 6th is serious stuff. Aussie105 Dec 2021 #21
K & R Bookmarked FakeNoose Dec 2021 #22
That is SO well written! I admire the judge's intelligence, understanding of history, and mrsadm Dec 2021 #27
K&R! Wild blueberry Dec 2021 #28
They attacked the Capitol. I couldn't imagine storming the small town hall where I live. Like Allen Pepsidog Dec 2021 #29
 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
6. Yes. Legal equivalent of a knee to the throat from the top of the ropes.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 06:32 PM
Dec 2021

The Kraken lawyers cracked over the head.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
10. Now on to the Supreme Court
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 07:05 PM
Dec 2021

Where Nine Wise Souls will review the lower court opinions grounded in facts and reality, reject those facts and reality, and substitute facts and reality of their own in reaching the desired result. It's the Federalist Society way!

Tommy Carcetti

(43,191 posts)
12. Maybe not here.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 07:09 PM
Dec 2021

The conservatives on the court are conservative in ideology without necessary respect to Trump as a personality. And that includes the three justices he appointed. They're very happy he appointed them to do the will of the Federalist Society, but owe less of a duty towards him personally as they do to their ideology.

And this case is about Trump personally, and not conservative ideology. So I think they'll tell him to pound sand.

Not that it excuses any other ideological rulings on their parts, mind you.

Response to gratuitous (Reply #10)

Justice matters.

(6,939 posts)
23. Then Joe Biden would become a king, ignore Congress and rule by fiat...
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 01:59 AM
Dec 2021
uh, by Executive Orders. Make his Build Back Better agenda policy of his kingdom, screw Manchin & Sinema!

Not a chance that RWSC will overrule "the president is not a king and trump is not president" ruling.

Efilroft Sul

(3,581 posts)
14. The office of Article II instigated an attack against the representatives of Article I
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 07:26 PM
Dec 2021

If Trump's foot soldiers could have killed every Congressional Democrat on January 6, they would have.

DFW

(54,436 posts)
15. The appeals court was very specific
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 07:43 PM
Dec 2021

The Right Wing Six would have a hard time deconstructing and finding fault with their reasoning on Constitutional grounds. Besides, they are now there for life, and they know Trump has no problem trashing former allies if they displease him. Not only that, Trump has one huge obstacle that he can never overcome: he has already been born. Too late!

bucolic_frolic

(43,258 posts)
18. I find it ridiculous that they don't toss the suit outright
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 08:40 PM
Dec 2021

As a previous judge said he's not president, he's not King. I haven't heard the argument that he works for the people, which he does, and lost that job, and the records belong to the government of the people. That's the end of the story. There is no - none - zero - "countervailing need for confidentiality". The records are not about a private business, copyright protection, patents, national security which he is no longer responsible for - the records are about the US Government under seige that he instigated. The court is giving him a window to appeal, to drag out page by page some asserted privilege that doesn't exist. I'd be surprised if he doesn't go there in appeal.

calimary

(81,440 posts)
26. Don't forget: the President is first and foremost a Public SERVANT.
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 01:08 PM
Dec 2021

That’s what you briefly were, as Occupant of the Oval Office, donald. Public SERVANT Number One. Even when you stole it, you still managed to get your fat accursed ass in there.

The President of the United States is a Public SERVANT. ANY - and EVERY - President of the United States is. He or she is formally HIRED by The PUBLIC. At four-year intervals. The highest-ranking public servant, true. But still a Public SERVANT.

We the People must NEVER forget that. WE rule. Of the People, By the People, and For the People. And the Oval Office is just that: an office. NOT a throne room.

Linda Ed

(493 posts)
20. Morning Consult is reporting that the popularity of Biden is off the charts.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 08:55 PM
Dec 2021

Morning Consult is reporting that the popularity of Biden is off the charts. Other countries now view the United States extremely favorably. In fact, their approval of the United States has skyrocketed and now is more than 30 points higher than it was at the end of the insurrectionist’s term.

Tired of hearing negative on Biden in other news...He has done more in a year than trump did in 4

Orrex

(63,220 posts)
24. NPR yesterday made a point of highlighting Biden's "negative" numbers
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 08:41 AM
Dec 2021

After mentioning briefly that his "agenda" (a term not actually clarified in the report) is polling well with Democrats, they made a point of stressing that it's much less popular with Republikkkans and Independents.

It's the standard mode for reporting on Democrats: shine a bright spotlight on any unfavorable news, while carefully tucking positive news away where no one will have to see it.

Aussie105

(5,420 posts)
21. What happened on Jan 6th is serious stuff.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 09:04 PM
Dec 2021

I'm glad no court is sweeping it under the carpet.

What led up to it needs to be thoroughly investigated, and acted upon to the full extent of the law.
No keeping documents secret, no accepting 'they was just tourists!' from guilty parties.

In a different time and a different place, heads would be on the chopping block. Literally.

mrsadm

(1,198 posts)
27. That is SO well written! I admire the judge's intelligence, understanding of history, and
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 02:07 PM
Dec 2021

explanation of the importance of the records to history.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
29. They attacked the Capitol. I couldn't imagine storming the small town hall where I live. Like Allen
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 05:04 PM
Dec 2021

Iveraon said about “Practice”,”Practice”, “We Talkin about Practice”. Well it’s the “Capitol, the Capitol, we ain’t talkin about no small town hall we are talking about the
Capitol,”

[link:https://www.google.com/search?q=allen+iverson+talks+about+Practice&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:bdf0bfc1,vid:eGDBR2L5kzI,st:0|

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