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PCIntern

(28,085 posts)
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 03:49 PM Dec 2021

I'm gonna admit something somewhat embarrassing...

Many years ago Brian Williams got his opportunity to try out for network media here in the Philly market, when he worked for WCAU which catapulted him to WCBS in New York, apparently.

I say “apparently” because most people here, including yours truly, couldn’t stand him when he was here. He was described as “priggish” by many and “stilted” and “phony”. Believe it or not, this town generally loved and loves its serious news people: Vince Leonard, John Facenda(who invented the 11:00 news program), Gunnar Back, and many others. We may be a shot and a beer town but we always knew who the competent newscasters were.

I thus avoided watching him for years until his most recent gig at MSNBC, wherein, as many others here have attested, I grew to enjoy, and more importantly for me, admire the man. I shall miss him enormously and wish him well in whatever his endeavors may be in the future. I want to apologize to him personally for underestimating his intellect and competence. It’s a mistake I hope never to make again.

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I'm gonna admit something somewhat embarrassing... (Original Post) PCIntern Dec 2021 OP
You know what, PCIntern? True Dough Dec 2021 #1
Well-stated and I thank you. PCIntern Dec 2021 #2
Ah, you are just being truthful PC Quakerfriend Dec 2021 #3
I used hang out with his older brother. panader0 Dec 2021 #4
"Not like Brian. A pot smoking guitar player like me." MyOwnPeace Dec 2021 #5
I loved John Facenda! Oh, the memories. Cozmo Dec 2021 #6
same! sagetea Dec 2021 #7
I had the opposite experience. peacefreak2.0 Dec 2021 #8
Is that the same John Facenda who voiced early NFL films? 11 Bravo Dec 2021 #9
Yes it is PCIntern Dec 2021 #10
One of the most captivating voices I've ever heard. 11 Bravo Dec 2021 #15
I also found him a bit stuffy and like you randr Dec 2021 #11
I always thought he was Mr. MSM milestogo Dec 2021 #12
Yes, we saw a much better version of Brian Williams PatSeg Dec 2021 #19
I also came to admire the man. spanone Dec 2021 #13
Thank You for posting...K and R. Sometimes the truth is embarrassing. K & R for you & "TRUTH" Stuart G Dec 2021 #14
Life is interesting. OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2021 #16
I didn't really have an opinion until he was on MSNBC MustLoveBeagles Dec 2021 #17
To be honest, I think he grew and adapted quite a bit. eppur_se_muova Dec 2021 #18
I have a story about her that'll make you shake your head... PCIntern Dec 2021 #20
K&R for the post and the discussion. crickets Dec 2021 #21

True Dough

(26,083 posts)
1. You know what, PCIntern?
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 03:54 PM
Dec 2021

People change over the years. Brian Williams would have matured. Your experiences would have colored your perceptions. I'm sure you both grew to become more well-rounded individuals.

No need to be harsh with yourself. The point is you appreciate what Williams has become and you'll miss what he brought to the news desk each week night. And you won't be alone in that!

Quakerfriend

(5,882 posts)
3. Ah, you are just being truthful PC
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 03:58 PM
Dec 2021

I see that he has evolved into a better person over the years- especially after his embarrassing claim of bullets flying over his head.

MyOwnPeace

(17,453 posts)
5. "Not like Brian. A pot smoking guitar player like me."
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 05:21 PM
Dec 2021

As they often said on Seinfeld: "Not that there's anything wrong with that...."

sagetea

(1,552 posts)
7. same!
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 05:45 PM
Dec 2021

I liked him to a young Sam...for some odd reason, but...I was always faithful to Dan Rather! He was my compass! These last few years of Brian...chef's kiss!

sage

peacefreak2.0

(1,044 posts)
8. I had the opposite experience.
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 05:46 PM
Dec 2021

Gayle King was a local newscaster in Ct. years ago. I thought she did an excellent job. I don’t care for her work as much these days. I don’t know if it’s the Oprah affect or what.

PCIntern

(28,085 posts)
10. Yes it is
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 06:42 PM
Dec 2021

He was in Philly in the 1940’s on, I think, WIP, and moved to TV where he was the fixture at Channel 10, WCAU, which was actually among the first stations of the CBS network since it was owned by Wm Paley here. Facenda actually created the first 11:00 news broadcast and, again I think, expanded it to a half hour.

When he died they tried to do a retrospective but there was nearly zero extant videotape or kinescopes. He was considered the Dean of our broadcasters and they renamed the street in front of what used to be the station, John Facenda Drive in Bala Cynwyd.

randr

(12,633 posts)
11. I also found him a bit stuffy and like you
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 06:43 PM
Dec 2021

I grew to appreciate his rapid fire wit. He delivered some of the sharpest barbs like a surgeon.

milestogo

(22,792 posts)
12. I always thought he was Mr. MSM
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 06:46 PM
Dec 2021

and I was surprised to see him on MSNBC. On the latter he was able to be himself I think, which is more likeable than Mr. MSM.

PatSeg

(52,545 posts)
19. Yes, we saw a much better version of Brian Williams
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 11:07 AM
Dec 2021

on MSNBC than we saw on network TV. I'd also seen this self-effacing, witty Williams occasionally on The Daily Show as well.

Brian Williams had become my favorite MSNBC TV host and his show was the only one I went out of my way to watch this past year. I will really miss him, his professional delivery, and exceptional wit.

OAITW r.2.0

(31,720 posts)
16. Life is interesting.
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 09:38 PM
Dec 2021

Those I thought I hated, I like now, Those that I thought were good people, I really don't like now. That's life.

eppur_se_muova

(41,288 posts)
18. To be honest, I think he grew and adapted quite a bit.
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 10:34 AM
Dec 2021

It was obvious that NBC was grooming him to be Brokaw's successor and he knew it. He even seemed to be slowly turning into a near-clone of Brokaw in style. Then he got caught recasting war stories with himself in the role actually played by US soldiers and it nearly ended his career. When he got assigned to The 11th Hour it looked like he got the graveyard shift because NBC didn't know what else to do with this newly toxic high-priced talent. I didn't like the show initially because he still seemed to be stuck in news anchor mode, but over time he adapted to the niche in which he found himself, and made a professional home out of what had been a semi-exile. Kudos to him for knowing when and how to change. And your opinion need not be something to be embarrassed about at all -- it may well have been spot-on at the time.

When BW was still fairly new to the big chair at NBC he appeared on Late Night with David Letterman and joked about the food on Air Force One -- salads when Hillary was along, but when Bill traveled alone that's when Mr. Breakfast Burrito made his appearance. He showed a pretty keen sense of humor then and it was nice to see it come out on The 11th Hour, when he knew he didn't have to be all Deadly Serious Anchor all the time.

Curious to know what you thought of Andrea Mitchell while she was there. I understand her reputation in Philly was one of righteously afflicting the (politically) comfortable who happened to be part of a Democratic Party machine at the time. Maybe that's why she's prone to bothsiderism now -- or maybe because she married an arch-conservative.

PCIntern

(28,085 posts)
20. I have a story about her that'll make you shake your head...
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 11:13 AM
Dec 2021

And it’s true

It was in the City Paper many years ago. When Andrea graduated from Penn, she took a job with KYW which was the Westinghouse/NBC broadcaster in Philadelphia. She was almost immediately assigned City Hall and the mayor of the time was Frank Rizzo. She apparently always had a predilection for older men and quickly married a gentleman who was the head of public relations for what was then known as Smith Kline and French, Which later became known as Glaxo Smith Kline after a few iterations. This gentleman was not only older, he was African-American and had I believe two mature sons from his previous marriage. He very soon after the marriage, developed a debilitating disease.

Mayor Rizzo, Of course, learned about her husband and would call on her and press conferences by the appellation “Mrs. whatever his name was”, rather than “Miss Mitchell”. He was that kind of guy and was one of the most fascinating people in politics in the history of this region in so many ways, most of them frightening but some remarkable . But back to the story: one day he saw Andrea walking down the hallway of City Hall wearing sunglasses and clearly upset. He stopped whatever he was doing and asked her if she was all right and she burst into tears and being an ex cop, he had her remove her sunglasses revealing two black eyes. He sent a couple of his deputies, who were known as pretty violent gentlemen, to her home to retrieve her personal effects and to let her husband know that if he ever touched her again the consequences would be dire. She divorced her husband not long after.

Now the reason I know that this is all true, is that one of my patients was one of the officers who was sent to the house. He had a reputation for exacting justice in the manner of the Michael Douglas film The Star Chamber where he would take one of these “miscreants” whom the powers that be “had to go” up to an upper floor of their home or businessand throw him out the window to his death. I know it sounds insane and impossible but it is true, This is what was going on in Philly. By the way, this guy who is now deceased was one of the biggest Jewish men I have ever met. He was about six foot six and nothing but muscle. He liked me, parenthetically, because we could speak Yiddish and he could talk in front of staff members and tell me the most horrific stories.

Andrea herself was never a controversial figure here and was simply a reporter who moved on to bigger and better things. KYW for a fair number of years was renowned as the great investigative station, but due to retirements and changes at the top ceased it’s dominance And the ABC action news with Larry Kane took over the broadcast leadership with the “if it bleeds it leads” methodology of reporting.

Thanks for your post, btw. Enlightening and perceptive.

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