These poll numbers have me flummoxed.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

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President Biden is working diligently to guide our nation through the worst pandemic in a century and not rage tweeting. That has to count for something.

[quaint]

1. Inflated food prices and the need for four jabs; president gets the unwarranted blame.

These are the main complaints of seniors I know.
Inflated food prices have people more concerned than I've seen in the past five years.

[jimfields33]

15. Food prices and lack of some definitely are hurting the president's numbers

Most people can weather through a lot but food prices affect everything and every person.

[bucolic_frolic]

2. MAGA gins up the hatred based on racism

Obama promoted same-sex bathrooms during HRC's campaign. Biden is appointing non-white judges. This is a cultural war to MAGA and they are abuzz with hate.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. It's not just MAGA opposing Joe.

It's MAGA enablers.

[JohnSJ]

3. I have yet to see the breakdown of that poll. Most polls tell you the number sampled,

the party registrations, independents, etc. of those sampled

Another problem is the relentless bashing Biden took from the withdrawal from Afghanistan by the media. That went for one solid week, and every over the top hyperbole was thrown at him. That is when the downward drop in the poll numbers started. I recall after Biden’s presentation of the situation, Jake Tapper instead of summarizing what Biden had said, went on an undying rampage against Biden on it, and soon every other news outlet followed the same pattern. It reminded me of when the media incorrectly said the email investigation had been reopened, which was a lie, but was effective in getting trump elected

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. I look at the aggregate, not any one poll.

[JohnSJ]

9. I understand, but the one from CNBC specifically dings him on the handling of Covid, and that is

why I want to see the demographic breakdown

I can understand the inflation concerns,, though I believe the foundation for those were a result of the previous administrations mishandling of the pandemic, trade wars etc, which opened a door to shortages, but blaming Biden for his handling of Covid,which no other poll had shown, makes me want to see just who was polled, and if it was a good sampling

Some pollsters, such as Rasmussen I don’t think should even be included, and I notice a lot of unfamiliar pollsters are now being included, that don’t have a track record, and I am not sure if some of those pollsters are there not to report on the public’s views, but to mold those views

You can be a straight A student, and having one F can distort everything

[former9thward]

21. Aggregate of polls show Trump 45, Biden 41.

The latest from Harvard/Harris which is a Democratic pollster, shows Trump 48- Biden 45, Trump 50- Harris 41.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html

[Polybius]

28. Wow

He might not even need to steal 2024.

[Polybius]

27. Me neither, but they can't all be wrong

Here are the poll of polls, all put into one by two professional companies:

RealClear Politics: average 42.3% approval to 51.8% disapproval

FiveThirtyEight average: 43% approval to 50.7% disapproval

It's bad.

[tulipsandroses]

6. You can thank the media with their incessant negative coverage

Of Biden and Dems in disarray narrative. You can’t talk about Dems in disarray when the other party has completely imploded and abandoned democracy. Dems having disagreements on policy matters is not disarray. (Sinema and Manchin are a different story), but every disagreement amongst dems is covered as a major catastrophe.
Painting the picture that Dems are incompetent. Hashing out the details of a bill in no way compares to supporting insurrection, taking away voting rights, racism and violence. But somehow it’s Dems that are in disarray.

If the media actually covered what Dems have done and are pushing to get done while republicans do nothing, things might be different.

[PortTack]

20. ☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️

[uponit7771]

32. +1, the Wapo laid out the facts clearly that the M$M was much harsher on Biden than Putin's Whore

[Septua]

7. To many people only see...

..product shortages and high prices. And that same crowd always blames the White House occupant. They don't remember last year or Google for explanations of present conditions...they just bitch about the government.

[OhZone]

16. What product shortages?

I'm still not seeing any shortages of anything in NJ.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Me neither.

Yesterday I went to Target, Whole Foods, and Wal-Mart. Supplies were plentiful.

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18. the biggest backlog is at the long beach/los angeles ports, so the big shortages are in the west

[OhZone]

22. Yeah, but the news and late night comedians almost never acknowledge that, do they?

It makes Colbert look like a liar and propagandist for the right wing.

[unblock]

23. The best news coming from comedy shows is a classic sign of authoritarianism

Daily show, full frontal, last week...

[Polybius]

24. I still can't get a graphics card

Looking for the Nvidia 3080 or 3080 TI. Also extremely tough to find a PlayStation 5. Chip shortages are a big problem.

[OhZone]

33. Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.

I do remember that it's hard to find new consoles this time of year - every year tho.

[Polybius]

34. Yeah, but it's really bad with the PS5

All year they were out of stock and being scalped, even in the Summer.

[underpants]

8. Well it started in August

Afghanistan was horrible optics and literally nothing else was going on politically or in governance.
The media saw blood and attacked. They had al they needed to wash away the Trump disaster. Two horse race.
Gas and food prices are way up and regardless of the reason a POTUS always gets the blame.
Hugs moves have been made in legislation and wiping away the Clustertrump but that’s long and boring.

[andym]

12. yes-- the dramatic Afghanistan withdrawal allowed media to change the narrative

by challenging the dominant narrative of Biden's competence and restoration of faith in government. His poll numbers fell then in August from very high numbers to under 50%, and once the narrative was changed, it allowed the media to subsequently "pin the tail" of everything negative: inflation and Covid-19 resurgence on Biden. Thing is they likely would have done so anyways.

[BlackSkimmer]

29. Yes, and I heard a show on NPR this morning featuring women of color.

All were commenting on the handling of the border crisis when the Border Patrol “cowboys” were rounding up people of color on horses, even appearing to threaten them with the reins.

[Patton French]

10. Which poll numbers?

[Polybius]

25. All of them

Here's just one:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142838836

[Johonny]

11. My mother had to be told by me about Trump's power point slides to overthrow democracy

That's how good our liberal media is . . .

Biden is getting Jimmy Cartered. There is no doubt about it. The media is not democracy's friend. And yet they will be among the first to feel the affects of the GOP's wrath come the future.

[CrispyQ]

14. Certainly they're (the media) not so stupid to think it will be business as usual under fascism? -nt

[BlackSkimmer]

30. Don Lemon has been talking nightly about the threat to our democracy.

As are Maddow and Hayes. As did Williams.

The coverage of the January 6 committee seems to be nonstop to me, and I don’t even watch that much tv.

What type media does your mother read, watch, etc.?

[CrispyQ]

13. Some indictments & arrests after the first of the year would go a long way to energizing our base.

Our side wrongly believes that all you have to do is improve people's lives & they'll vote for you. Not so. Tons of people on both sides vote on emotion, not intellect. That's where messaging comes into play & where we lose. Every fucking time. We need a marketing department, stat!

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19. media doesn't put the inflation in the context of one of the biggest and fastest recoveries ever

the 6+% gdp growth in the first two quarters this year is a staggeringly huge economic boom.

of course our infrastructure can't keep up with such massive growth!

of course there's going to be some inflation along with such massive growth!

of course there are going to be ports clogged and some shortages because demand is through the roof and it takes time for supply and infrastructure to catch up!


all these problems would have gone away if we merely had more tepid growth, but then of course, the media would have hammered biden for not growing the economy fast enough.

[Polybius]

26. "the 6+% gdp growth in the first two quarters this year is a staggeringly huge economic boom"

That's because we were coming off 2020's Covid destruction of the economy, which was bound to rebound when businesses opened again in 2021. We're not even back to early 2020 levels yet.

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31. Real gross gdp is at an all-time high

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPC1/