We're Edging Closer to Civil War

[turbinetree]

OPINION
CHARLES M. BLOW
Dec. 12, 2021

The Supreme Court on Friday issued a decision allowing abortion providers in Texas to continue challenging a new law that bans most abortions in the state after about six weeks of pregnancy. But while the conservative majority didn’t close the door on abortion in Texas completely, the degree to which it is cracked open allows in only a sliver of light.

For now, the law in question, S.B. 8, remains on the books. Anyone who assists in providing an illegal abortion — from the provider down to the person who gives a woman a ride to the clinic — can still be sued. Roe v. Wade has essentially been overturned in the state, and soon that astonishing reality may not only become permanent there but may also spread to other states.

A key component of women’s rights and body autonomy is being snatched away as we watch.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/12/opinion/abortion-rights-america.html

[TheBlackAdder]

1. FOX News and the others better watch it too. One of the first taken out will be the media types.

[luckone]

2. Yes and turn on a word . Just look @ pence & they already keep saying media is the enemy

The destruction of reporting journalist equipment @1/6 should be a clue for all including Faux

[Walleye]

5. The crowd was encouraged to attack journalists at all the Trump rallies

Apparently nobody cares about the reporters and photographers on the front lines

[CrispyQ]

4. It's like the media & corporations think that everything will be business as usual if we go

full on authoritarian. They don't seem to care that they are enabling this with weak reporting & by contributing to republican candidates.

[BlackSkimmer]

9. "Taken out"?

Who will be doing this “taking out?”

[TheBlackAdder]

13. Those who decide to do the taking out.

[keithbvadu2]

40. A 17 y/o driven there by his mother?

A 17 y/o driven there by his mother?

Fully indoctrinated.

[Irish_Dem]

3. We are already in a civil war with massive casualties caused by the enemy.

The US is the richest nation in the history of the world and supposedly one of the most advanced countries of all time.
And yet we have deaths and misery caused by the GOP and corrupt leaders.

Almost a million dead from Covid.

Unnecessary gun violence kills thousands every year.

Deaths caused by those who cannot afford medical care or medication.

Military deaths caused by the corrupt military industrial complex.

Homeless and hungry population face early deaths and illness.

The list is much longer.

We have been conditioned to believe that all of these deaths are normal, we should accept them.
When in reality we have the resources and knowledge to prevent many of them.

[Irish_Dem]

50. Exactly. Deliberate GOP biowarfare/bioterrorism upon the American people.

The GOP leadership has known from the beginning how dangerous Covid is, and they did nothing in terms of public health measures to contain and protect. In fact they are deliberately spreading the virus with the anti mask, anti vax rhetoric.

The GOP leadership knows this virus exists and they themselves have taken all precautions. The GOP elite are all vaxxed, their children and grandchildren attend private schools where masks are required. And schools where there is no gun violence.

They have weaponized the pandemic, it is bioterrorism. They do this for political gain.
Just like they are using the 2nd amendment for political gain.

Creating chaos, division, hatred assists them in their quest for permanent power.
And it fact, I believe the GOP likes the deaths, misery and suffering.
They get off on it.

[Walleye]

6. People who say Civil War I don't know what they imagine it will be like.

Are we just talking about a wave of crime and violence in the name of anarchy? Do they think the army and the police are going to be on their side, because they are very much outgunned by the government

[Journeyman]

19. Rather than Civil War, I imagine something more akin to "The Troubles" in Northern Ireland . . .

assassinations, car bombings, street fighting -- acts of terrorism and anarchy in many different ways, that sort of unrest.

Civil War seems improbable. But waves of crime and violence, targeted against "the other" as defined by the individual doing the targeting, that seems very possible.

[Walleye]

22. Sort of like now only worse?

[uponit7771]

28. +1, constant attacks on gov facilities

[Fiendish Thingy]

32. Imagine an occupying army in red states. Nt

[JanMichael]

27. More like a huge Sarajevo. Which would be a f****** nightmare.

[Walleye]

29. God help us, they were fighting in trenches in the middle of their city.

[Fiendish Thingy]

33. Not like Sarajevo- the Serbs and Croats didn't have nukes.

The US Air Force would make short work of any neo confederate forces.

[former9thward]

37. With Nukes???

That would make short work of the rest of the population too.

[JanMichael]

38. I admit the technology is better but they are interwoven with us everywhere

And I don't for one moment think that every pilot would be on our side.

Maybe not exactly like Sarajevo on a huge scale but something similar. There won't be well defined fronts like there were in the Civil War. The real one. So maybe it'd be more like the Spanish Revolution / Civil war.

Oh and if Nukes get used then we're all done.

[Fiendish Thingy]

41. Do you think any CIC would surrender to the Confederates rather than use nukes? Nt

[JanMichael]

44. Nuke our own cities/people? I doubt it.

A Trump probably would though.

[Fiendish Thingy]

47. You know he would if he was at risk of being overthrown- so would any other president

Nukes wouldn’t have to be used- drones could probably get the job done.

Make no mistake- The Gravy Seals wouldn’t stand a chance against the full strength of the US military. It would be Waco and Ruby Ridge on steroids.

[bluecollar2]

53. I agree

Growing up in the UK during the late 60s and 70s I witnessed a lot of this type of action first hand.

But it will be worse here. The "troubles"were largely sectarian, which is really not the case here.

I suspect what will happen here is opportunists of all persuasions will emerge to take advantage of the chaos.

Anti-abortionists will resume bombing clinics, anti-vaxxers will go after policy makers and health care workers.

All kinds of groups will take advantage.

Unlike the UK today, the USA is ill prepared to confront the inevitable chaos that will be the result of the ongoing contempt of the law and civil behaviour.

My $.02

[LeftInTX]

54. I see more of the same

We're not progressing, we're regressing.

In 1964, Barry McGuire's "Eve of Destruction"

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[jalan48]

7. Yes we are and they are armed and ready to rumble.

[pressbox69]

8. I know someone

who has predicted future events on other occasions. He told me he had a vision in his sleep of thousands of drones unloading bombs on mansions. Southern mansions in blood red states. Thank God it was only a nightmare.

[BlackSkimmer]

11. What about the mansions in the northern red and midwestern states?

[pressbox69]

12. ...

He only mentioned the Southern states. Oh and he also mentioned protesters plowing their cars into the mansion of their own death cult leader. Don't quite know what state that would be but he mentioned a swamp.

[BlueTsunami2018]

10. We've been in a cold civil war for fifty years or more.

The sad part is, the bad guys are winning. They’ve nearly secured total victory.

[CrackityJones75]

24. Because they hold the

Because they hold the executive branch… I mean the House of Rep…. I mean the senate….


They are formidable but they certainly are not nearing securing total victory. Not over me anyway.

[BlueTsunami2018]

35. Yeah they are.

They have the statehouses, the courts, a hugely influential propaganda network, a corporate mainstream media, gerrymandering and the voting laws. We’re hanging on by a thread here.

Why do you think they’re willing to finally pull the trigger on Roe? Because they know there are no consequences. They’ve played the long game perfectly and the final victory, barring some miracle, is at hand.

We have less than a year to figure out how to forestall the inevitable. And without a unified party willing to stop it, the game is over.

[CrackityJones75]

36. Like I said they are formidable

Like I said they are formidable. I don’t prefer to deal in absolutes that say if this happens then this is what will happen. Overturning Roe will be terrible. But it will have consequences for them as well. Turning to authoritarianism is a bad bet with Americans. Especially when your electorate is itching for a fight against the government.

Don’t get me wrong I do not see a rosey outlook for our country in the next 10-20 years. But I also am not without hope.

[raging moderate]

14. But it's not really 6 weeks of pregnancy, is it?

The practice of counting from the first day of the last period is now known to inaccurate, right? We now know that pregnancies actually begin well after that, don't we? And also, we now know that the early "heartbeat" sound is not really a heartbeat (because there is no real heart at that point), and the "brainwave" sound is not really a brainwave (because there is no real brain at that point). So could some intelligent law-makers work a change that would start the count of 6 weeks at the actual conception?

[Captain Zero]

51. Intelligent law makers?

Concerning pregnancy and gestation?

Don't make me laugh.

[Fiendish Thingy]

15. A nuclear power cannot have a true civil war.

A military coup to support a dictator, or an ongoing series of domestic terror incidents? Absolutely.

But two armies facing off against each other for control of the government and the land? Nope.

[Paladin]

17. trump goons' reply: "Hold our beers!"

We're going to end up shooting at one another, in the not-too-distant future. trump's people won't have it any other way.

[Fiendish Thingy]

30. How long do you think that would last?

A bunch of Gravy Seals with AR-15’s vs. The entire US military, including the Air Force.

It would be over in an afternoon.

Like I said, ongoing domestic terror incidents is a distinct possibility, but not a blue vs. gray civil war.

[former9thward]

39. The military said Korea would be over "in a few months"

And they said it again in Vietnam, And they said it again in Afghanistan.

[Fiendish Thingy]

42. Do you think any CIC would hesitate to use air strikes/nukes if govt was at risk of falling? Nt

[former9thward]

43. Yes. No CIC would do it and the military would not either.

Radiation goes everywhere, killing or causing major sickness where it goes. The U.S. has no real fallout protection program or facilities.

[Fiendish Thingy]

46. So any ragtag militia can overturn the govt. because the CIC won't use air strikes to stop them?

I think you’re wrong- Trump sure wouldn’t hesitate to nuke blue states…

[leftstreet]

16. Not many people in the real world even talk about politics

Let alone follow SC decisions

[LiberatedUSA]

18. This right here.

A successful 2nd coup attempt could end up being a lot more peaceful than anyone could imagine.

Apathy is the death of Democracy.

[Kaleva]

21. Most of us here just watched the events of 1/6 on tv.

and didn't do much else.

[leftstreet]

25. And the media made it look like a clown show

Images of that weirdo shaman in horns everywhere. Why would viewers take it seriously other than to guffaw

[JCMach1]

20. And we play right into the Right's and the MSM's rhetoric by echoing their rhetoric...

Simple answer: no we are not and hyperbole doesn't help us out of the problem here.

[Klaralven]

23. It wouldn't be a Civil War. It would be more like a Revolution.

That is, it would involve widespread fighting all over the country, rather than on a battlefront between geographic entities.

And once the electrical distribution transmission lines, the fiber optic communications cables, the fuel distribution pipelines, and the water supply aqueducts are destroyed, restarting the economy will be almost impossible.

[Fiendish Thingy]

31. Who's going to destroy the infrastructure?

You forget that the Gravy Seals still have to pay rent/mortgage, car payments, etc. The banks aren’t going to pick sides, if you’re delinquent, they don’t care which party you’re in.

If the infrastructure was as easy to sabotage as you suggest, wouldn’t al quaeda have taken it down already?

[Klaralven]

52. Whichever side feels that it is losing.

Al Qaeda does spectacular events for political effect in the mass media. They have no incentive to cripple infrastructure.

Infrastructure that is widely distributed is inherently fragile. Even trains are easily derailed. There must be an old OSS manual lying about somewhere.

[marie999]

26. Only 4 states have a majority of Republicans. They know how to win elections,

but that is not the same as a war. It would be hard to have a real civil war when all states have Democrats, Republicans, and independents. And how many people want a civil war?

[Red Mountain]

34. Civil War is a grandiose term the halfwits like to use to

prop up their treasonous activities.

If it happens it will look like domestic terrorism. It will be treated as such with escalating penalties for the enablers until we return to the status quo.

[Progressive Jones]

45. Thank You. nt