Why were FOX News hosts and Republican congresspeople sending emails to Meadows..?

[kentuck]

...asking him to get POTUS to stop the rioting?

Sometimes the most simple and obvious answer is the correct one.

Because they believed he was the only person that could stop it. They didn't ask that he get Mike Pence or anyone else to stop it. They knew who the mob would respond to.

The person they believed responsible for the mob was Donald Trump. Only he could control it.

That was the underlying message in all the emails, including those of his own son, Don Jr. "He needs to stop this shit, ASAP".

Why would they ask for Trump to stop it unless they thought he was the only one that could stop it?

Because he was the leader of the mob, from beginning to end.

[gab13by13]

1. Did Meadows relay those messages to Trump?

Trump's niece Mary is betting that Meadows didn't really push Trump that hard to stop his traitors. Eventually Trump listened to someone after the Guard arrived.

[Mary in S. Carolina]

2. Not Fox News Hosts, they are Fox News "Entertainers"

per their own words. I for one, do not find them entertaining.

[wnylib]

28. Or news reporters, either.

[HAB911]

3. Unholy relationship, entertainer/talking head/hosts

urging the chief of staff to do anything


did anyone from any other broadcaster do the same?

[kentuck]

6. Good question!

It shows that FOX was an accomplice in it all. Their job was to propagate the Big Lie.

After all, we did not see MSNBC or CNN or any other cable news or network news division sending emails to the White House. Only FOX.

[FarPoint]

8. I like that connection being a straight line to Fox....

Deep pockets...time to bring on lawsuits against them!

[gab13by13]

12. Google Fox v Monsanto

Fox won a law suit in Florida where it fired 2 employees because they wouldn't lie on TV, eventually Fox won the law suit.

[KS Toronado]

14. Here's one

https://inmotionmagazine.com/fox.html

[librechik]

17. Aaargh. Don't remind me.

We are so screwed.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

24. Yes sir, good question, and yes sir good observation.

Fox was on standby before the insurrection to take commands from Herr and after no matter the outcome to dispense the tainted KoolAid to their viewers and poison the media landscape…although some of the big media buildings on that landscape seem to be willing drinkers.

[wnylib]

29. Joe Biden did.

Biden made a public speech calling on Trump to call off the attack on the Capitol.

[durablend]

4. Did they *really* want it to stop

Or was this so (just in the event they got caught), could come back and say "Well we did something!"

Trump was sitting with his feet up on the desk with a huge grin watching the chaos ensue.

[FarPoint]

10. The Fox folks only care about tRumps image and legacy..

They never addressed that lives were at risk and there being clear and present danger at the Capitol ....

[wnylib]

30. Wasn't there also a video of Jr and

and Kimberly in a party mood watching coverage of the attack? Or was that video about something else?

[Bongo Prophet]

43. That video was before the rally, not the attacks after that rally

[Irish_Dem]

5. The GOP knew it all from the beginning. They knew Trump was in charge.

He was the mastermind of 1/6 from start to finish.

Fortunately his plan did not work. He was not able to kill Pence and Pelosi as he had hoped.
They escaped the mob by mere seconds.

His plan was to stop the vote count, impose martial law, declare himself the winner.

[wnylib]

31. Yup. He had to get rid of the

immediate successors first, but failed to do so. Took long enough to break into the building that Pence and Pelosi were safe by the time that happened. Trump continued to enjoy the chaos and the fear instilled in the people trapped inside.

[Irish_Dem]

34. Trump was seconds away from being successful.

The crowd was only seconds away from Pence when the SS whisked him away.

And then Pence had the good judgement to refuse to enter a getaway car with unknown SS agents.
So that was the second danger point for Pence and he knew it.


This tells us that Pence was very aware of the plan to murder or kidnap him.
And he knew that these orders came from the top.

There was video of Trump and his family enjoying, laughing as they watched a big TV screen of the insurrection.
It is was interesting, Ivanka is standing right next to her father. She has the good sense to have a blank face as she watches the mob. In contrast to her father who is obviously in high spirits.

I believe that Trump is a sadist. He gets off on watching others die or suffer.

[wnylib]

37. I remember the video. Junior and Kim

were there, too. That kinda nullifies Junior's later texts to call it off, IMO.

As for Pence refusing to get into the car, when you hear a mob screaming for you to be hanged, you pay extra attention to whom you trust while escaping.

Pence definitely knew about Trump's plan to overturn the election. The pressure on Pence from Trump and a few others to participate in nullifying electors was well described in Peril. I don't think Pence knew about the planned violence. Since he refused - before 1/6 - to cooperate, I think they would have kept him out of the loop on other parts of the plan.

Sadistic pleasure in watching people suffer and die? Oh, yeah. He has demonstrated that many times. He is a serial killer who uses rhetoric to inspire others to do it for him. Kill, terrorize, enjoy, and get away with it - in public.

The most twisted mentality that I have ever witnessed in my lifetime.

[Irish_Dem]

39. Yes Junior and Kim were also in very high spirits.

Kim is literally dancing with joy. Music blaring.

I took Pence's refusal to get into a car with unknown SS agents as meaning he knew that some SS were loyal to Trump to the point they would kill or kidnap other government officials for no legitimate reason. But perhaps Pence was not sure the drivers in the car were actually SS agents. But the bottom line is that I think he knew ahead of time that his life was in danger.

Oh yes Pence knew about the overturn the election plan, because Trump had seriously pressured him to be a key figure in that plan.

I do think Pence knew that his life was in danger. I don't think the dimwits working with Trump are capable of keeping a secret. I am sure they gossiped and bragged to various kindred spirits. So yes, Pence was kept out of parts of the plan, but the White House grapevine was working. He had some inkling. He was certainly not in shock when it all happened and knew what to do.

Trump is the most mentally ill, disturbed president of the US in our lifetimes. Perhaps in the history of our nation.
And certainly the most dangerous person ever to hold that office.

[wnylib]

40. He is the most mentally ill,

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dangerous person that I have ever witnessed, meaning that I don't know him personally, have never met him in person, but have seen and heard him and the consequences of his words and actions.
I know that there are other people who are ill, sadistic, and dangerous, but I don't know them and have not witnessed them in action.

Toward the end of the 2016 election, I read a book about Trump's life. I don't remember the title or authors. There were two. They were both Washington Post reporters.

The authors interviewed dozens of people who knew Trump and his family. They covered his father, mother, and grandparents. Among those interviewed were his childhood neighbors and classmates, military school classmates and instructors, college classmates, former employees and businesses that had done business with him, etc.

Two things stand out in my memory from that book. One is that a neighbor of the Trumps said she had her baby in a playpen outdoors when, just in time, she discovered Trump about to throw a brick at the baby. Ttump was 5 years old.

The other thing was that, in his teens, Trump used to sneak into Manhattan at night to hang out with some thug friends. They vandalized vending machines and other properties. They beat up people for sport. If I remember correctly, police were involved a few times and Fred was able to smooth things over, through contacts from Fred's business dealings or through money, or both.

Eventually, when Fred could not keep his son from meeting up with his thug pals, he sent Donald to a militsry acsdemy, hoping thsat the discipline there would straighten him out.

[Irish_Dem]

42. Yes by all accounts he was a very disturbed, violent child.

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Who grew up to be a violent, disturbed adult.

Just from the accounts I have read about him and witnessed, he has a number of psychiatric disorders:

Sociopath and narcissistic personality disorders.
Long time addiction to stimulants (Adderall)
I also think he may be bi-polar with psychotic episodes.
He is also a long time repeat sexual offender.
And it appears that he is a sexual sadist. He loves inflicting pain and humiliation on others which is sexually arousing.
If he really believes that he won the election then I will add delusional disorder.

I suspect some other pathology as well, but these are the most prominent.

[wnylib]

44. I don't have your background

education and experience in psychiatric disorders, so my thoughts about it are strictly from a layperson's view.

Since his mental health problems developed so early, was there ever a time when he might have been reachable for developing into a healthier person? I don't think it's possible at this point in his life. But throwing a brick at a baby at age 5? Not a sibling, but a neighbor's baby who was no threat to his ego.

Bipolar disorder, AFAIK, is biological, but I have known a few people with it who do well on medication. The other mental issues appear, at least to me, to be experiential, or "glitches" at developmental stages due to home environment. What an awful home it must have been that he grew up in.

I have read that his mother was sick and hospitalized when he was two years old and that would have affected his development, but there has to be more to it than that because not every child who goes through that kind of separation develops the pathologies that Donald has.

[Irish_Dem]

45. Given the early history of violence, intervention would have had to be early age and intensive.

Sending him to military school as a teen was certainly too little by far, and way too late.

I suspect a combination of biological and environmental factors. We know some of the disorders I listed have a genetic component and run in families. The addictive disorders and bi-polar. There is some research about the genetic factor in personality disorders but not conclusive.

Mary Trump talks about the cruelty of Trump's father. So we have a cruel, abusive father, and absent mother during a critical phase of early psychosocial development. Then the genetic factors in play as well.

I think that was the pattern growing up. Absent mother, cruel and abusive father. Biology also part of the picture.
So a child with no sense of right or wrong, no empathy. Entitled, self centered. Prone to violence and rule breaking.
And parents who allowed it or even encouraged it. Their wealth covered it all up. None of this did Trump any favors.

With therapy even as a teen he might have had a shot at some normal life. Today there are residential treatment centers or day treatment for the conduct disorders (child sociopath) that can make some progress.

But sociopaths are notoriously hard to treat and outcome is not good.

[wnylib]

46. Fred Trump sounds like the

kind of person who would never have allowed treatment intervention for his son's disorders. Would have thought it was a sign of weakness.

How did you ever manage to stay on a profession that deals with mental disorders on a daily basis? Seems like it would be depressing, or at least create a drain on personal energy. I have sometimes wondered that about cops, too. Constant exposure to the worst sides of human behavior must take a strong person and some re-energizing activities and people in your personal life to maintain perspective.

[global1]

7. Meadows Was Being Set Up As The Fall Guy....

His releasing these texts from Jr and the Fox News stars provide them all with cover from being part of the coup. TFG could also say Meadows never passed on their messages to him & when he finally heard about what was happening at the Capitol - he made his statement to stop and go home.

Meadows was set-up. He's as dumb as a doorknob. Look how fast he caved and called info in his own book 'false news' after TFG was pissed about Meadows saying he was the Super Spreader of Covid.

I think we'll get a chance now to see just how 'loyal' Meadows is to TFG.

It might be just dawning on Meadows that he was setup and will take the fall.

Will Meadows have the guts now to lay this whole coup open or will he go down silently and loyally for TFG and the cause?

[wnylib]

32. Is Meadows actually a fall guy, or is he

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an intentional deliverer of information that gives Junior and the rest some cover.

I can't believe that Meadows .did not consult with TFG before turning over records. But I can believe that he would agree to turn over records that would let certain people off the hook, with the stipulation that he would afterward refuse to cooperate further. Giving testimony under oath about the texts and calls would reveal more than they want to. They (Trump, et.al.) could be releasing just enough info to try to control the message.

However, even if Trump claims that he never got the messages, how does he explain that they were all directed to him? I guess he might claim that they appealed to his power as president looking after the welfare of the country.

[global1]

35. Exactly As You Guessed.....

TFG was the president and the commander and chief. That is his job. That's why they appealed to him.

We need to watch what Meadow's does now. If he still stonewalls - he was the intentional deliverer as you suggested.

BUT

If he realizes he's been set-up to be the fall guy and he's going to go down - I believe he'll spill the beans to save himself.

This is getting interesting - as if it wasn't enough already.

[wnylib]

38. I feel like I've dropped into a time warp,

back to the mid 1970s, watching hearings about a president, trying to decide whom to believe, who was involved, to what degree, etc.

Different president, different (and more serious) crimes, different century, but same damned political party.

Deja vu for me.

[doc03]

9. Because they are "Fair and Balanced"

[bearsfootball516]

11. They were largely just trying to cover their own ass.

[underpants]

13. Well....there goes Hannity's credibility

[Nevilledog]

23. *snicker*

[wiggs]

15. Because they are Trump advisors, no secret. Apparently Trump consulted

with Hannity on a regular basis.

[Cracklin Charlie]

16. I think Fox deserves more scrutiny here.

What about their communications with the White House in the days leading up to the coup?

Has anything been mentioned about that? Were they promoting the coup on their social media in the month before the election? Individually, or as a network? They certainly were on the “stop the steal” team.

Take down Trump, for sure…but let’s not leave out the propaganda arm of the insurgency. I want them stopped. They are a very serious global threat to democracy.

[leftstreet]

19. Good questions

No doubt the communications didn't stop and start with Meadows and just one day

[Alexander Of Assyria]

25. All great questions sir. No doubt same questions being asked as we speak of many of the

foot soldiers cooperating.

And these same questions and the answers will be in a public hearing soon…that I look forward to very much.

Then the indictments when the national media from right to left to avoiding mention can not help but mention it 24/7…Watergate will pale to Sedition Day.

[infullview]

18. What's really amazing to me is how many Faux news people

had Mark Meadow's private number to send their text messages to. How is that even a thing?! I can't get a live person on the phone when I call my Rep or Senator, how is it that all of Fucks news has the highest echelon of the government on speed dial?

[flying_wahini]

20. Yup, pretty damning.

[budkin]

21. Because Fake News!

Never happened.

[SheltieLover]

22. The real question for me is why the slob & all coconspirators are not in cells awaiting trials

They are all a clear & present danger to our country.

[TeamProg]

26. Fox News hosts were advisors to TFG. n/t

[CaptainTruth]

27. They realized the rioters would only listen to Trump.

They knew those MAGAt insurrectionists were deeply brainwashed into the Trump cult & would only listen to him.

[wnylib]

33. That's pretty much what Biden said,

although not in those exact words, when he publicly called on Trump to call off the mob on Sedition Day.

[librechik]

36. the Blob tuned off his phone as I understand it.

didn't want to be interrupted while pleasuring himself to gross videos. That part is just guessing. Executive time, you know.