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I'm not feeling to good about BBB and the VRA (Original Post) Woodswalker Dec 2021 OP
I am . . ... Lovie777 Dec 2021 #1
BBB will eventually pass Loki Liesmith Dec 2021 #2
I think you are right. Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #3
"BBB will eventually pass..VRA won't and never would have"? whathehell Dec 2021 #4
Agreed, BBB will likely pass in some form Amishman Dec 2021 #7
Our senate Dems are reportedly returning focus to the voting rights Hortensis Dec 2021 #5
I think BBB has around a 75% chance of passing next year, but it will very likely be further gutted Celerity Dec 2021 #6
It's all up to (President) Manchin and (VP) Sinema if they'll Emile Dec 2021 #8

whathehell

(30,395 posts)
4. "BBB will eventually pass..VRA won't and never would have"?
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 07:34 AM
Dec 2021

If you give up on the VRA, you may as well give up on all of it, imo.

Amishman

(5,917 posts)
7. Agreed, BBB will likely pass in some form
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 08:18 AM
Dec 2021

Even if it takes even more months and is only a cardboard cutout of the original idea. It was an election promise and too much political capital has been spent on it to admit failure.

Immigration will need to come out, parliamentarian says no and we don't have the votes to override.

This is just a theory, but I am wondering if Manchin's end game is using the child tax credit as a vehicle for gutting the clean energy funding.

First he puts a cap on the total amount and insists it must be fully paid for with revenue increases. This makes the content of the bill a zero sum game, expanding one part can only be at the expense of other funding.

Next he pushes on the child tax credit, one of the most important short term priorities in the bill and most popular. He claims he ok with it but wants it as more than one year, which costs a ton. What other part of the bill can be cannibalized in this zero sum game? My bet is he wants to move most or all of the $500 billion for Green provisions to pay for the child tax credit. A backdoor gutting of environmental spending for his pocket coal interests.



Never expected voting rights to pass because of needing to weaken the filibuster to do it. With most projections showing us losing Congress next year, there isn't the will to do that. (Yes, this is a chicken and the egg scenario. Not agreeing with it, just commenting on what I see)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. Our senate Dems are reportedly returning focus to the voting rights
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 07:46 AM
Dec 2021

bills, both of them. Of course, either or both would require at least some alteration of the filibuster, but this has become an existential issue.

As for the BBB, we will pass it in some form. We could have passed it already by agreeing to more of the cuts demanded by a handful of senators blocking passage.

Let's remember that our battle to pass the ACA, while the Republicans battled to destroy it, took most of two years, during which time it was pronounced dead or dying a number of times. We could have passed it sooner by agreeing to more and bigger cuts, but we insisted on passing the kind of comprehensive reforms people needed and eventually we did.

Celerity

(54,005 posts)
6. I think BBB has around a 75% chance of passing next year, but it will very likely be further gutted
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 07:47 AM
Dec 2021

to a significant degree. Multiple programmes will likely get the old Manchinema chop.

I am less optimistic about the even more vital voter bills. If we fail on those, 2022 and thus 2024 (and the nation itself) are in an extremely dire situation. Manchin and Sinema will have really good chances to go down as the most hated Dems in decades IF they do end up blocking them and we then proceed to get crushed, especially if it is done via Rethug treachery and blatant systemic voter suppression and also via some states' legislative bodies overturning legit Dem victories.

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