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Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 10:41 AM Dec 2021

House Committee finds trump's biggest crime against humanity

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/17/politics/house-committee-trump-covid-19/index.html

House oversight committee releases report detailing efforts of Trump administration officials to 'undermine' Covid-19 efforts in US

By Lauren Fox and Daniella Diaz, CNN

Updated 8:53 AM ET, Fri December 17, 2021

(CNN)Trump administration officials made "deliberate efforts to undermine the nation's coronavirus response for political purposes," a House oversight committee led by Democrats said in a report released Friday.

The committee, which spent months working to interview former Trump officials, said the administration worked to undermine the public health response to the coronavirus pandemic by blocking officials from speaking publicly, watering down testing guidance and attempting to interfere with other public health guidance.

Many pieces of the report were a summation of documents and interviews they've released throughout the year, but the report also outlined new examples where health guidance was adapted despite officials' concerns about the potential harmful effects of the changes.

In one instance, Dr. Jay Butler, the deputy director for infectious diseases at the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told the committee he was upset and concerned about guidance he was directed to update in May 2020 for faith communities. He said he feared that some of the altered guidance about masking and other church practices could potentially put lives at risk.

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House Committee finds trump's biggest crime against humanity (Original Post) Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 OP
The follow-up question: madaboutharry Dec 2021 #1
they said nothing because they were scared agingdem Dec 2021 #5
This is the insidious power of the authoritarian despot. halfulglas Dec 2021 #17
But Dr Jake Butler wrote an email + he's "haunted" Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #6
Gee, jay, what about that oath you supposedly took? You know? Something niyad Dec 2021 #11
Agree! There are so many of them!!!!! Tumbulu Dec 2021 #12
800,000 dead and he's "haunted" agingdem Dec 2021 #23
But, only "haunted" for "some time", not for the rest of his gutless, oath-breaking life. niyad Dec 2021 #26
Picked up on that too. Guess tho there's an IOTA of Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #29
It was the TRAITOR**. Why would anyone think anything else? niyad Dec 2021 #33
and then there's Birx... agingdem Dec 2021 #37
Only to get slap back from the people who demand to be told what they WANT to hear 2Gingersnaps Dec 2021 #34
+1 stage left Dec 2021 #9
From Sally Yates through the Vindamans to Secretary Esper 2Gingersnaps Dec 2021 #36
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2021 #38
Whats going to be done Beachnutt Dec 2021 #2
It MUST be spread far and wide. For the sake of those of us who lost loved ones Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #4
Think I'll just wait and see, because Magoo48 Dec 2021 #27
You are very poetic Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #43
Thank You. Magoo48 Dec 2021 #45
At the very least, CrispyQ Dec 2021 #31
Our message mechanics suck, based off recent history we don't know how to flood a communication ... uponit7771 Dec 2021 #39
+1000000. I tell you if we can't come up with something on Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #44
Another reason why tfg should be banned from politics for life, worldwide spanone Dec 2021 #3
He should be indicted for this malaise Dec 2021 #7
Yes. Someone here said 140k people dying can be attributed directly to trump Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #15
Absolutely! Duppers Dec 2021 #19
TRUMP IS A KILLER, & This proves it !!!!!...K AND R Stuart G Dec 2021 #8
Aren't Republican governors doing the same thing right now? What about Fox News? gab13by13 Dec 2021 #10
You are exactly right. In TX, I saw first hand Abbott would meet with FG and Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #20
Yep. piddyprints Dec 2021 #22
And according to experts, about 140,000 Americans died as a result. CaptainTruth Dec 2021 #13
Because he got them to blame Gy-na Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #21
It fed their innermost wet dream - conquer the libs while God protected them bucolic_frolic Dec 2021 #14
TFG wanted it to get worse. limbaugh is dead but there is a pic of him meeting with trump certainot Dec 2021 #16
I have been saying this for two years. onecaliberal Dec 2021 #18
He lied daily on camera Beachnutt Dec 2021 #25
All pathological cultures demand human sacrifice Ponietz Dec 2021 #24
Wow! interesting. Please expound Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author Ponietz Dec 2021 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author 33taw Dec 2021 #28
It's murder. He should be indicted for the hundreds of thousands of deaths. lindysalsagal Dec 2021 #32
K&R for the 800,000 who can't kick anymore. Tommymac Dec 2021 #35
Those people are evil Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2021 #40
Don't forget Jared's "leadership". 🙄 live love laugh Dec 2021 #41
My head is exploding that this is not the #1 story in the land! Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #42
Another atrocious revelation and he's still holding fund raising scams at large? BSdetect Dec 2021 #46
Four solid minutes of trump downplaying the seriousness of this pandemic. nt albacore Dec 2021 #47
Great find! Slimebag. Just saw this from John Hopkins doctor Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #48

agingdem

(7,845 posts)
5. they said nothing because they were scared
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 10:54 AM
Dec 2021

Trump would put a target on their backs..he would destroy their careers...and Trump was notorious for creating chaos as a diversion from the truth

halfulglas

(1,654 posts)
17. This is the insidious power of the authoritarian despot.
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 12:16 PM
Dec 2021

The government scientists, lawyers and other employees who fear that their jobs and even careers are in jeopardy. They may have decades invested and fear how they would support their families. He and his minions have put targets on the backs of so many already. Look at the venom with which many Republicans still speak of Dr. Fauci. They are relentless. They threaten jail. So many fear not just for their livelihoods but their lives.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
6. But Dr Jake Butler wrote an email + he's "haunted"
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 11:00 AM
Dec 2021
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/17/politics/house-committee-trump-covid-19/index.html


In one instance, Dr. Jay Butler, the deputy director for infectious diseases at the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told the committee he was upset and concerned about guidance he was directed to update in May 2020 for faith communities. He said he feared that some of the altered guidance about masking and other church practices could potentially put lives at risk.

Butler told the committee that while he wasn't aware of any examples where the guidance had adversely impacted the health of Americans, "that concern will haunt me for some time."

He wrote in an email about the change that he was "very troubled on this Sunday morning that there will be people who will get sick and perhaps die because of what we were forced to do."

"I was doing a lot of soul searching about whether or not I should have agreed to even make the change in the document," Butler told the committee when asked about his words. "Clearly, it was a
directive, but that was a real struggle as I felt like what had been done was not good public health practice."


niyad

(113,259 posts)
11. Gee, jay, what about that oath you supposedly took? You know? Something
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 11:46 AM
Dec 2021

about "first, do no harm"??? You f'n, gutless coward.

agingdem

(7,845 posts)
23. 800,000 dead and he's "haunted"
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 12:40 PM
Dec 2021

well, better haunted, spineless, and employed then vocal and heroic...right, Jay???

niyad

(113,259 posts)
26. But, only "haunted" for "some time", not for the rest of his gutless, oath-breaking life.
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 12:47 PM
Dec 2021

I hope the ghosts of those who died as a result of his cowardice haunt him to his grave.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
29. Picked up on that too. Guess tho there's an IOTA of
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 01:14 PM
Dec 2021

me that thinks we can't look at it through today's lens. Who among them ever in their wildest dreams would have ever thought that leaders would side with lies and obfuscation over the welfare of the people?

agingdem

(7,845 posts)
37. and then there's Birx...
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 02:20 PM
Dec 2021

so enamored with Trump and center stage she said he was "attentive to the scientific literature and details"..uh huh...and when loathsome Trump suggested a Clorox cocktail with an injected Lysol chaser as a maybe cure-all, did Deborah jump up and scream "Are you out of your fucking mind?!!", no, she grimaced and stayed silent..and then came the Scott Atlas herd immunity roundtable (Trump in attendance) but rather than join in the discussion (her conscience and all) she agreed to quietly go away as to not cause the orange cretin any embarrassment (the sonofabitch was systematically killing hundred of thousands of Americans and Debby was concerned her non-attendance might reflect badly on him??) ..so Jay Butler screws with the data and Birx face plants and slithers away...no dereliction of duty there...they want redemption...they ain't gonna get it!

2Gingersnaps

(1,000 posts)
34. Only to get slap back from the people who demand to be told what they WANT to hear
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 01:47 PM
Dec 2021

"the information and directions kept changing! How can we believe what they say?"

2Gingersnaps

(1,000 posts)
36. From Sally Yates through the Vindamans to Secretary Esper
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 01:58 PM
Dec 2021

a vicious thug revealed first with DoJ what happened to people who thought they could just keep their head down and do their job. The very idea that "the FBI was in Hillary's pocket and tried to destroy poor innocent manly conservative pious devout reverent tRump" was/is the kind of bullshit reality TV couldn't make up, and late night comedians wouldn't.

I mean seriously! Threatening your school board, stalking them, terrorizing them....like your State Health Department, your Elections officials, and your Governor trying to keep you alive.

His rape victims have to go to the Supreme Court to get his DNA evidence, he drags litigation out for years to bankrupt them before they ever see a day in court. Andrew McCabe had to sue for his retirement having been fired a couple of hours away from twenty years, so hell no Rod Rosenstein didn't tell Mueller the FBI wasn't following the money, and Rod Rosenstein didn't tell the the third or fourth FBI director Mueller wasn't following it. Rod won't have to sue for his retirement.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
4. It MUST be spread far and wide. For the sake of those of us who lost loved ones
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 10:53 AM
Dec 2021

Due to this travesty. We need it to help us heal

Magoo48

(4,705 posts)
27. Think I'll just wait and see, because
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 01:03 PM
Dec 2021

expectations are most often found skipping down the street with disappointment and resentment.

As a lifelong environmentalist and progressive, I’ve had Lucy (Uncle Sam) pull the ball back at the last minute too many times.

I don’t like feeling disappointed, and resentments are extremely damaging.

CrispyQ

(36,457 posts)
31. At the very least,
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 01:19 PM
Dec 2021

our side should be flooding the media with ads showing these numbers and pointing the finger at Trump. Throughout 2022, we need to remind people that it's because of Trump & current republican leaders like DeSantis, that we are in year THREE of this fucking pandemic.

If you want this pandemic to end, vote & vote dem.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
39. Our message mechanics suck, based off recent history we don't know how to flood a communication ...
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 02:50 PM
Dec 2021

... medium with a political message or ... just wont.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
44. +1000000. I tell you if we can't come up with something on
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 09:50 AM
Dec 2021

this one, then something is seriously broken. This is a full on legitimate atrocity. And frankly, it must be very disheartening too for all those committee people... Must be thinking JHC we spent all this time doing this? And the masses won't hear about it?

spanone

(135,823 posts)
3. Another reason why tfg should be banned from politics for life, worldwide
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 10:50 AM
Dec 2021

From the article:

In one instance, Dr. Jay Butler, the deputy director for infectious diseases at the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told the committee he was upset and concerned about guidance he was directed to update in May 2020 for faith communities. He said he feared that some of the altered guidance about masking and other church practices could potentially put lives at risk.

He wrote in an email about the change that he was "very troubled on this Sunday morning that there will be people who will get sick and perhaps die because of what we were forced to do."


HEY DOC, NO ONE FORCED YOU TO DO ANYTHING. YOU SHOULD HAVE RESIGNED AND GONE TO THE MEDIA....FUCKER
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
15. Yes. Someone here said 140k people dying can be attributed directly to trump
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 12:13 PM
Dec 2021

How on God's green earth can he get away with this. Makes me cry Bilking people out of job and money and reputation seems to pale to this.

Yet I have never heard any ptb talk about indicting him nor impeaching him. I would take a written censure, if we still could

gab13by13

(21,304 posts)
10. Aren't Republican governors doing the same thing right now? What about Fox News?
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 11:40 AM
Dec 2021

They have law suits against vaccine mandates and wearing masks and a few courts have gone along with them. The Pa. legislature just overruled our governor's mandate for masks in schools. People are going to keep dying because of GQP actions and non-actions.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
20. You are exactly right. In TX, I saw first hand Abbott would meet with FG and
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 12:20 PM
Dec 2021

then wait 2 days and lift mask mandates. So Abbott is guilty too of negligence.

What you say about lawsuits too... People can't sue because of covid negligence... Was vitally important to GOP... Yet THEY can sue over masks. What a fucked up evil twist that is.

CaptainTruth

(6,588 posts)
13. And according to experts, about 140,000 Americans died as a result.
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 11:52 AM
Dec 2021

Imagine how Reich wingers would have lost their shite if ISIS or "illegals" killed 140,000 Americans, but if their beloved Trump does it it's ok.

bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
14. It fed their innermost wet dream - conquer the libs while God protected them
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 12:09 PM
Dec 2021

and they really didn't care who they wiped out as long as opposition to their greed, pollution, exploitation, dictatorship died.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
16. TFG wanted it to get worse. limbaugh is dead but there is a pic of him meeting with trump
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 12:14 PM
Dec 2021

christmas 2019 and they were all serious. there were others there. they need to be asked if limbaugh was being asked to call COVID a hoax, or if there were witnesses to other limbaugh trump conversations about COVID. because libaugh would not have called covid a hoax so long if tfg

intel knew COVID was serious by then and would have briefed tgf by then. did trump ask them or others about worst case scenarios and when he was told he might have to declare national emergency and delay elections if it got really bad.

in 2014 the october surprise was ebola. limbaugh and russian tool jerome corsi were yelling about it coming across the border with immigrants, it was obama's fault, and everyone needed to be very afraid. GOP got 9 new senators incl some of the current motherfuckers

in 2019 team limbo was starting to use the congo ebola scare and social media was being used in congo, maybe with rw radio, to get locals to attack clinics and make it worse - russians helping trump do it again?

they got that outbreak under control but along comes COVID. why not use disease again?tfgg is stupid enough to think they could use COID the same way

onecaliberal

(32,824 posts)
18. I have been saying this for two years.
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 12:16 PM
Dec 2021

When will he be charged? He killed 700,000 people. He LIED repeatedly and we have receipts. He should go to The Hague.

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lindysalsagal

(20,670 posts)
32. It's murder. He should be indicted for the hundreds of thousands of deaths.
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 01:23 PM
Dec 2021

I'm sure ER docs and staff heard many of them quote the orange idiot verbatim. People have been killed with far less evidence. He's on national TV minimizing it all. He's already testified for the prosecution, repeatedly.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
42. My head is exploding that this is not the #1 story in the land!
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 11:47 PM
Dec 2021

Nothing on Twitter. Not even a one day story. We must have zero PR

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