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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust now on MSNBC: Rep. Khanna says Congress is frustrated with DOJ
And the lack of action on Jan. 6 conspiracy to overthrow the government.
Says there is plenty of evidence and the public needs to see visible action on the part of the DOJ.
Says the DOJ could have a parallel criminal investigation to the Select Committee.
I have a feeling that members of Congress know that DOJ is not investigating the organizers.
TexasTowelie
(127,317 posts)However, why do we need to discuss your feelings again? Version 20211218-1249 of Gloom, Despair, and Agony on Me isn't likely to address your feelings or make you feel better, so why are you dredging this up again when it didn't end particularly well for you the last time you did so?
stopdiggin
(15,455 posts)gab13by13
(32,297 posts)I think it summarizes what Khanna said.
Time for the Churchill quote? Our democracy is hanging by a thread, the insurrection didn't stop on 1/6 it has intensified, those are facts and you bet they are scary.
Wanting DOJ to act to save our democracy is necessary and should be demanded.
flying_wahini
(8,274 posts)TexasTowelie
(127,317 posts)The last couple of nights I've stayed away from DU comparatively speaking because of the speculation made by some members. As I mentioned, he has already brought up his doubts and they have been thoroughly discussed. Rehashing the same topic is pointless, unproductive, and disruptive.
demmiblue
(39,715 posts)Easy peasy.
TexasTowelie
(127,317 posts)I also shouldn't expect to see so much criticism of Democrats and members of a Democratic administration on a site that supports Democrats. I'm less inclined to post about other unrelated topics that Democrats may want to discuss because the overall atmosphere on DU is becoming negative, undermining, and unproductive. Speaking of which, it's time to do some laundry.
demmiblue
(39,715 posts)AND I have a healthy ignore list (mostly finger-waggers, drama llamas and people who tend to post duplicates ad nauseum).
If one tends to constantly involve themselves in the relatively small number of drama-filled flaming threads, I can see how their view of DU can become skewed.

TexasTowelie
(127,317 posts)and even when I ignore a specific member I usually only keep that person on ignore for a relatively short period of time. I don't trash threads because I do want to read the good, the bad, and the ugly. There are members here that I don't particularly like, but occasionally they might post something that catches my interest even if I don't rec or comment on the thread.
The one thing that I am certain of is that DOJ will move at their own pace. Their investigation is not going to be influenced by what is said on DU and they will set their own timelines while also potentially prosecuting any referrals from the J6 committee. That is their job at the DOJ and I'm not going to take the role of Monday morning QB rationalizing, questioning, and doubting every course of action.
AncientAndy
(73 posts)and had to scroll down 60 stories before I found a positive one about a Democrat. Its the one titled Huge accomplishment by President Biden.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=latest_threads&mode=latest&sort1=replies
Crunchy Frog
(28,279 posts)Real life already provides me with sufficient aggravation. I don't need to deal with it here as well.
MineralMan
(151,249 posts)Because you told them to? I'm not sure I understand. I don't use either of those tools on DU, either. I want to see what is posted here - all of it. And, as a DUer, I know that any DUer can participate in any thread on this forum. We discuss things here; we don't just agree with everything posted here. Should we? What do you think?
Alpeduez21
(2,052 posts)It NOT the first time Ive heard the usual suspects onDU whine about not wanting posts about the complete lack of effort by Garland et al to be posted
TexasTowelie
(127,317 posts)I don't have any control over when you decide to read DU. It is odd that you only note the whines about Garland and ignore all of the OPs that are effectively undermining him, but people only see what they want to see.
Tommymac
(7,334 posts)Posters post. Readers read. Blogs work that way.
There are Dozens upon Dozens of threads in many Forums to read here. Take your pick, don't pick on legitimate people who are motivated to post their view point as it matters too, whether you agree with it or not.
After all, you are free to rebut and respond just like I am doing to you... or ignore and trash threads that bother you that much too.
We are all in this together - if you want to get frustrated get frustrated at TFG and the Insurrectionist Party trying to destroy our democracy and kill us by ignoring Science and how to mitigate the Pandemic.
femmedem
(8,561 posts)and that is likely coloring your response.
I greatly appreciate everything you bring to DU--you are one of my favorite posters--and I hope you feel better soon.
I sometimes find DU depressing and take short breaks. More often, I skip posts that I suspect will lead to discussions that don't have value for me. But those posts might have value for someone else. Sometimes people need to vent and others need to know that they are not alone in their worries.
I really do hope you feel better soon. I'm luckier than most--I don't live alone, we haven't had covid in our household, I have enough money to pay my bills--but I, too, am feeling worn down by the extended pandemic and wondering when so many ordinary pleasures will feel safe again.
Edited to add: I've read through more of the replies and want to thank you for the information you posted throughout the discussion.
MineralMan
(151,249 posts)to stop the OP from posting. Are you suggesting that people not state any disagreement with other DUers here?
Any DUer can "have his say," but not without discussion by other DUers.
dpibel
(3,936 posts)The "patience grasshopper" gang seems to feel that its faith in Garland is much more valid than anyone else's questions, doubts, or, if you will, "feelings."
How does that work?
TexasTowelie
(127,317 posts)unless you consider being a Democratic party voter as being a gang member.
I worked in government and I also was involved in the initiation of legal cases so I have personal experience with how valuable a commodity "patience" is and nobody is going to tell me that acting impulsively or rashly is good policy. I don't have an issue with people asking questions, but when the same question is asked (or the same opinion is stated) repeatedly by the same person in multiple OPs it is disruptive and some may speculate that it reaches the point that it is considered "trolling" as well.
I don't see the point of trying to undermine the Biden administration by continually subjecting Garland and the DOJ to criticism from people who are impatient, seeking immediate gratification, and most likely don't have the intellectual understanding of what it takes to prosecute a case. So to answer your initial question, yes--feelings bad, faith good.
Crunchy Frog
(28,279 posts)Is the Biden administration so weak in your opinion, that it will be undermined by some posts on a political discussion board?
TexasTowelie
(127,317 posts)anyone. I also don't believe that the Biden administration is weak despite the desperate futile feeble attempts being made to undermine it.
Eliot Rosewater
(34,285 posts)the country survives.
In fact, I say we may not survive Nov 2022 when NO red state official will certify any election they lose that they have the power to.
In a healthy democracy the courts would take over at that point, our courts have too many MAGA on them and even if that were not the case the chaos created on purpose will kill the country.
Dont believe me or the OP?
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2024-election-coup-military-participants_n_61bd52f2e4b0bcd2193f3d72
"Some might follow orders from the rightful commander in chief, while others might follow the Trumpian loser," which could trigger civil war, the generals wrote.
Mary Papenfuss
By
Mary Papenfuss
12/18/2021 09:28am EST
Right now we are in a state of emergency as if a tidal wave was coming and we have hours to get out of the way...like it or not. And I am not just speaking to you but to anyone here who doubts this.
Autumn
(48,956 posts)This is big. When Rep. Khanna says this we have a big problem.
lapucelle
(21,054 posts)we do indeed have a big problem.
Autumn
(48,956 posts)I see plenty of politicians talking about things on TV. In fact our VP made a statement in the last few days that was rather stunning about the Biden administration. Keeping the people informed is not the big problem, hiding things from citizens is the big problem. Of course, YMOV.
lapucelle
(21,054 posts)It would be a major problem if any one member appointed him or herself the spokesman for the entire body.
Autumn
(48,956 posts)about him "appointing himself spokesman for Congress".
Which he did not do. He said "Congress is frustrated". I imagine their frustration is off the charts, between the insurrection, Trump selling out our country and roaming around holding rally's and the obstruction of Biden's agenda by a couple of our own members.
lapucelle
(21,054 posts)Just because some might be "out of fucks to give" about whether Democrats like Ro Khanna are misquoted or misrepresented, it doesn't mean that everyone else is.
Autumn
(48,956 posts)They can handle his crimes. laughing: Until then? No fucks given.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,200 posts)Since Biden doesnt intend to fire him, that would be your only recourse.
Autumn
(48,956 posts)him that we are a nation of laws and the powerful should be held to the same standard of laws as the regular person. When laws are broken there must be repucussions. The fact that the Bush administration was not held accountble for the crimes they commited was a part of what led to Barr and Trump.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,200 posts)You dont want Biden to act like Trump with the DOJ, do you?
Autumn
(48,956 posts)Publicly, openly and thoroughly. Do their fucking job. End of story.
questionseverything
(11,834 posts)Trump wanted people prosecuted for imaginary crimes
Bidens justice department should be encouraged to follow the law wherever it leads
Fiendish Thingy
(23,200 posts)Except from counsel to counsel, WH is not supposed to have any contact with DOJ.
lapucelle
(21,054 posts)That doesn't sound like him.
gab13by13
(32,297 posts)Adam Schiff for one.
lapucelle
(21,054 posts)pecosbob
(8,384 posts)LymphocyteLover
(9,836 posts)pecosbob
(8,384 posts)The net result is that in certain social media if you post anything that paints China in a bad light you will be brigaded by trolls.
Autumn
(48,956 posts)taxi
(2,710 posts)I'd bet Wall St and especially the fossil fuel industry have their own little Wumao armies trying to shape public opinion here in the good ole USA
dem4decades
(14,051 posts)Charge low level thugs.
The Republicans still have Durham out there creating trouble and we have nothing.
gab13by13
(32,297 posts)appoint a special counsel, just like Barr appointed Durham. Barr gave Durham protections so he can't be fired, he is getting paid to dig up dirt on the Bidens.
Poiuyt
(18,272 posts)Being impartial does not mean ignoring political crimes committed by actors on the other side. When these crimes are so egregious, they cannot be ignored and must be prosecuted without regard to political costs.
Irish_Dem
(81,213 posts)the major GOP perpetrators off the hook?
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)the "low level" charges include: Assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers, inflicting bodily injury, obstructing official government business, assault with deadly weapon, obstruction of Congress, to name a few.
https://www.insider.com/all-the-us-capitol-pro-trump-riot-arrests-charges-names-2021-1
Oh yes, none of it counts unless Trump gets indicted. Reason enough to accuse DOJ for doing nothing, right?
dem4decades
(14,051 posts)Happy pawns are sacrificed
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)For starters, it sends a resounding STFU message to all those who idly muse about DOJ doing nothing. And frankly, I don't care for being a crime snob: I will not be particularly offended if a traitor serves 10 years for assault with a deadly weapon or 10 years for insurrection. Or state charges of tax evasion, for that matter, even if you might consider it a lower level charge.
These 727 charges also reinforce my affinity for equal justice under the law. Proven guilty, a felon is a felon, with no distinction of rank or position, and I am glad the law applies in equal measure to both pawns and kings. It's our best defense from queens walking away free of charges.
And you will have to elaborate about who you consider pawns, and what you mean by "sacrificed". Some may misinterpret your comment as saying that all 727 indicted felons are pawns, and that it doesn't make any difference whether they face charges or not.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)So there is a long way to go before all the thugs are brought to justice.
It wont mean anything unless those responsible are brought to justice.
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)I sincerely hope you didn't mean it!
And I believe you are contradicting yourself: you acknowledge there is a long way to go before before all the thugs are brought to justice (no shit!), yet you demand Garland take hasty action or else it's his fault for doing nothing.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)You never cited any examples of me putting words into your mouth either.
But I did say that you are partial to making unfounded accusations.
Skittles
(171,687 posts)we are supposed to forget about Fitmas, Mueller, etc.
Poiuyt
(18,272 posts)Generals Warn Of Divided Military And Possible Civil War In Next U.S. Coup Attempt
--snip--
The lack of military preparedness for the aftermath of the 2020 election was striking and worrying. Trumps acting defense secretary, Christopher Miller, testified that he deliberately withheld military protection of the Capitol before Jan. 6, the generals noted.
That cant happen again, they emphasized.
Military leaders cant wait for elected officials to take adequate action to prepare for the next time. Not a single leader who inspired the last attempt has even been held to account, the generals noted.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2024-election-coup-military-participants_n_61bd52f2e4b0bcd2193f3d72
Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)Khanna's mail is probably reflecting the frustrations. But as I've argued before:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16151153
In addition, DOJ underwent 4 years of Trump hiring, indisputably biased against even handed justice. Sadly, many of those hires probably still ensconced at DOJ, throwing wrenches in the gears, further slowing the processes.
Garland has a tough job in front of him, probably massively understaffed. Trump put a crook in charge of almost every cabinet division. The sheer list of potentially prosecutable offenses is daunting on size alone.
Patience folks.
mopinko
(73,722 posts)assuming it isnt easy to just fire doj personnel, he's got a lot of housekeeping to do.
me, i, i'd do that 1st.
questionseverything
(11,834 posts)Mr. Ected
(9,714 posts)No matter how nefarious they were.
If Garland could simply throw us all a bone and let us know that he understands our concerns and that DOJ is processing its own evidence regarding the attempted overthrow of our government (among other things) many of us would sleep better at night.
After all, it's our government, right? As long as they don't telegraph their moves, a little comfort couldn't hurt.
TexasTowelie
(127,317 posts)https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/garland-face-tough-questions-confirmation-hearing-be-biden-s-attorney-n1258444
Then there is this statement released by the DOJ on June 24:
Statement of Attorney General Merrick B. Garland on the Investigation into the January 6th Attack on the Capitol
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/statement-attorney-general-merrick-b-garland-investigation-january-6th-attack-capitol
Then we heard from Garland again on October 21 when there were doubts about the DOJ prosecuting Steve Bannon:
Garland: DOJ 'will apply the facts and the law' when considering Bannon referral
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/21/politics/garland-house-judiciary-hearing-oversight/index.html
I don't understand the notion that Garland is not taking his job seriously, but you asked for a bone and I've provided three bones to alleviate everyone's concerns. What do the doubters want in the future--the entire steer butchered into parts easily retrieved from the freezer?
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)do you have a feeling that Congress doesn't know there is investigation?
To listen to Khanna, the latter is more likely to be the case.
I have a feeling that we would need Khanna's direct quote before we can sort out our feelings.
LymphocyteLover
(9,836 posts)of the Jan 6th leaders, it hasn't progressed very far-- no signs of a grand jury.
dem4decades
(14,051 posts)So sick of thinking they'll do anything.
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)It's a whole different thing when one's disappointments (referring to the OP) become the basis of unfounded accusations.
dem4decades
(14,051 posts)Remember how fast the FBI jumped on the Weiner laptop investigation and running out to the microphones to let the nation know they were on the job?
So do I, but now the FBI does nothing, no one is going to court to fight FBI subpoenas into the insurrection.
The only DOJ investigation being done is by Durham, it's disgraceful.
msfiddlestix
(8,178 posts)DanieRains
(4,619 posts)They are too busy protecting Epstein's friends to do their job.
DanieRains
(4,619 posts)They will know what and what is not being done.
Budi
(15,325 posts)An ally of Silicon Valley & Peter Thiel.
Passing on yet another statement degrading the Democratic leadership of this country.
Par for him.
Ro knows nothing more than we do as to what Garland's doing with the matter of taking down the mob.
This is his opinion & not a factual based statement.
I'm not a fan & not required to be, considering his political affiliations.
Thanks anyway.
NBachers
(19,438 posts)MineralMan
(151,249 posts)Really? He has been in the House since 2017. I suggest that he is not competent to speak for Congress, nor even for the Democratic Caucus in the House of Representatives. As far as I know, he is also not a member of the January 6 Committee. Nor is he a member of the Judiciary Committee.
Now, I wouldn't be surprised if he feels frustrated with the DOJ, but I think he cannot speak for Congress.
Perhaps you can explain how he can do that. Your feelings, however, are not evidence.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Ro is another messenger for Media with little authority to speak against the Jan 6 committee nor AG Garland's DOJ internal business.
Now perhaps a better question to Ro, would be to explain his long time political affiliation with Peter Thiel.
Is there a link to the OP or is it just snippets of an opinion?
MineralMan
(151,249 posts)I'm not watching MSNBC this afternoon, so I did not hear this live. I only know about it from the OP's paraphrase and analysis of what one House member may have said.
I'm not a huge fan of Ro Khanna, nor of Justice Democrats in general. I remember the past all too well.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Thiel & Silicon Valley & his direct line to Trump, is enough to question statements by Mr Ro.
ick.
MineralMan
(151,249 posts)I'm not sure that's relevant to this, though.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Thiel's Palantir, Stripe CrCard processing, which was written by Saikat Chakrabarti when he worked for Thiel & before Zack Exley's Brand New Congress, when it merged with Justice Democrats. & Then there's Thiel's ties to Mercer & Cambridge Analytica.. & on & on.
I could go on here, but will leave it for another day.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)However he did say members of Congress and used the word frustrated. Alex Witt asked him if he was frustrated and he said, frustrated, yes as are many members of Congress, in reference to the lack of DOJ action.
MineralMan
(151,249 posts)That's a different thing, isn't it. Which members? How many? 2 is members. 5 is many members? Not much precision there, is there, and certainly not all of "Congress."
See why we asked questions?
questionseverything
(11,834 posts)Such a shock
MineralMan
(151,249 posts)If he runs again in his California district, I hope he wins. If he is in danger of losing, I'll donate to his campaign. That does not mean that I agree with him on everything, though. I don't live in his district.
You're off base.
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gulliver
(13,982 posts)I'm fine with Congresspeople saying what they have to say to humor their constituents' impulses. The DOJ is independent it course, but a lot of folks insist on working the ref. Fine
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)I was listening on the radio but I will try to get the link to the video
RussBLib
(10,635 posts)...is the DOJ to confirm they are "on the case" re T**** and his band of coup plotters
TexasTowelie
(127,317 posts)because it could be construed as prejudice that could jeopardize the entire investigation. See post #56 for confirmation that the DOJ is on the case. I'm sorry if that isn't the Christmas gift that you wanted, but I wish you Merry Christmas all the same.
RussBLib
(10,635 posts)I believe that Garland and the DOJ are working methodically to determine what happened and who instigated things, and I hope he is not shying away from going after T**** when the time comes. Our democracy depends on it.
I get impatient like many, but each week brings new revelations, so I am pretty sure the entire picture is not yet in focus.
But still, a tiny little bone would be nice, something like, "yes, we are paying close attention to the House committee, and we are pursuing things in deliberate fashion." That would be plenty.
The Jan 6 anniversary will be....interesting.
TexasTowelie
(127,317 posts)I think that the tiny little bone that you are hunting has already been provided. The DOJ got the indictment on Bannon and that was because of the House committee. There will almost certainly be more indictments coming down the pipeline, but we may have to wait for the J6 committee to do their live interrogations of witnesses to initiate the indictments.
pecosbob
(8,384 posts)Last edited Sat Dec 18, 2021, 05:15 PM - Edit history (1)
Wake me up if any indictments are handed down.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,200 posts)Maybe Rep. Khanna would take you up on it. You might even get 2/3 in the senate (mostly republicans of course)
Since he has already testified to congress, and wont discuss any ongoing investigations, and since you and many here are certain that the lack of information or even a simple confirmation of an ongoing investigation of Trump and the coup organizers is solid proof that there isnt an investigation, then impeachment seems to be your only recourse.
Who do you think Biden could get confirmed as Garlands replacement? (Hint: someone already confirmed once by the senate could be promoted and not need reconfirmation)
TexasTowelie
(127,317 posts)It would be regrettable though since an impeachment would be directed at the wrong person.
However, the impeachment shelf life won't last long since Biden will need to nominate someone else to replace Garland. While, I didn't consider that the nominee may have already be confirmed, I was thinking more along the lines that in order to get an AG confirmed it is going to take 50 votes in the Senate and that also means that Manchin and Sinema will have to vote for confirmation. That may not be an easy goal to obtain considering the negative rhetoric that both received from the progressive wing of the party.
Provided that the nomination is confirmed it will take time for the new AG to get into office, evaluate the case, and possibly not take any action.
Meanwhile, replacing an AG will certainly take time and add further delays into the prosecution of any individuals--most likely until after the mid-term elections. Therefore, I hope that the progressives do not ask for Garland's resignation and I'm reminded of the saying, "be careful what you ask for, you might get it."
Budi
(15,325 posts)I mean, look what's at stake for the participants to the dirty desperate coup on our process to certify & seat a new President voted of & by the people & their electorate.
Maybe Ro could address how deep that corrupt rabbit hole may go.
Who's protecting who, by the drumbeat of degradation messaging directed daily at the of the man, chosen by our President & whose past specifically qualifies him for this particular case?
Who all cowers behind such derrogatory slander, for what AG Garland will find out?
Who's hands got a little dirty in the process of keeping Biden from being crtified on Jan 6th.
Just making a point.
boston bean
(36,930 posts)Polybius
(21,894 posts)With Russiagate, the public grew tired of it and it led to nowhere. I'm fine with letting Garland do his job behind the scenes. Take your time, then prosecute if necessary. Hearings will do more harm than good.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)This issue is about holding those in power to the same justice as the thugs they used to commit violence.
And as far as politics go for the next election, things already look extremely bad for Democrats. Unless BBB and the Voting Rights bill get passed, we are going to lose our majority in 2022 and the executive in 2024.