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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 02:49 PM Dec 2021

Just now on MSNBC: Rep. Khanna says Congress is frustrated with DOJ

And the lack of action on Jan. 6 conspiracy to overthrow the government.

Says there is plenty of evidence and the public needs to see visible action on the part of the DOJ.

Says the DOJ could have a parallel criminal investigation to the Select Committee.

I have a feeling that members of Congress know that DOJ is not investigating the organizers.

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Just now on MSNBC: Rep. Khanna says Congress is frustrated with DOJ (Original Post) berni_mccoy Dec 2021 OP
I'm okay with your post reporting what Rep. Khanna said. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #1
+1 -(nt)- stopdiggin Dec 2021 #3
I have no problem with the poster's last sentence. gab13by13 Dec 2021 #5
Maybe let him have his say? flying_wahini Dec 2021 #11
I'm sorry, but I'm tired of the drama. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #21
Then use the ignore/trash thread function. demmiblue Dec 2021 #23
If I did, then there would hardly be any threads left to read on DU. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #42
Ridiculous. There are a plethora of great posts on DU... demmiblue Dec 2021 #72
I don't use the Ignore function very much TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #80
I'm viewing the site by "Most Discussed"... AncientAndy Dec 2021 #81
I know that it makes my experience here immeasurably better. Crunchy Frog Dec 2021 #87
Why would someone do that? MineralMan Dec 2021 #51
This is my first time seeing the op's opinion Alpeduez21 Dec 2021 #29
Oh well, TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #35
Um, you seem to be pointing to yourself here. Tommymac Dec 2021 #78
This is a discussion board, not merely a news source. I know you've been feeling down femmedem Dec 2021 #96
Without comment? I didn't see anyone try MineralMan Dec 2021 #53
Feelings bad, faith good? dpibel Dec 2021 #18
Let me set you straight--I am not a member of any gang TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #27
Are you suggesting that members of Congress are impulsive and rash? Crunchy Frog Dec 2021 #54
Yes, there are members of Congress that are impulsive and rash. That shouldn't come as a shock to TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #59
Then allow me say to you if donald trump the traitor is the GOP nominee in 2024, there is no way Eliot Rosewater Dec 2021 #79
Thanks for posting this. I don't watch MSNBC and was not aware of what Rep. Khanna had to say. Autumn Dec 2021 #2
If Ro Khanna did say this and is making himself the spokesperson for "Congress", lapucelle Dec 2021 #7
It's not like he's giving out classified informtion. IMO he's doing his job. Autumn Dec 2021 #16
If Ro Khanna actually said "Congress is frustrated" then he is purporting to speak for Congress. lapucelle Dec 2021 #20
Call the DOJ or Pelosi. Maybe they will investigate him. Right now I'm out of fucks to give Autumn Dec 2021 #24
When someone says,"Congress is frustrated" that person purports to speak for Congress. lapucelle Dec 2021 #43
Make sure you find the proper statute and call Pelosi and the DOJ and report what he said. Autumn Dec 2021 #46
Do you think it's time for impeachment hearings for Garland? Fiendish Thingy Dec 2021 #63
I think that our leadership and the President should give him a *nudge* and remind Autumn Dec 2021 #66
But that would be unethical, akin to Barr's relationship with Trump Fiendish Thingy Dec 2021 #70
I want the DOJ to investigate the many crimes that Trump committed. Autumn Dec 2021 #75
Not the same at all questionseverything Dec 2021 #89
Read up on the protocols on the relationship between WH and DOJ Fiendish Thingy Dec 2021 #91
Ro Khanna was claiming to speak for "Congress"? lapucelle Dec 2021 #4
There are plenty more who have said the same thing, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #6
Yes, but they speak for themselves, not for "Congress". N/T lapucelle Dec 2021 #8
This place is starting to remind me of the Wumao army. pecosbob Dec 2021 #9
what does that mean? LymphocyteLover Dec 2021 #26
Wumao Army are Chinese trolls paid by the CCP to spam social media pecosbob Dec 2021 #34
Fascinating. Autumn Dec 2021 #49
That explains everything. nt taxi Dec 2021 #55
+1 jalan48 Dec 2021 #61
Why does everyone here defend DOJ? They have done nothing other than dem4decades Dec 2021 #10
That's something that Garland should do, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #12
Normally, I would defend an impartial DOJ, but not in this case Poiuyt Dec 2021 #15
Yes, could he be carrying the impartiality issue so far he lets Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #19
727 "low level" thugs, to be precise Beastly Boy Dec 2021 #17
Yes they are low level charges when you ignore sedition. But I'm glad you're dem4decades Dec 2021 #41
I am extatic about 727 traitors facing charges! Beastly Boy Dec 2021 #82
There were thousands who attacked the Capitol berni_mccoy Dec 2021 #58
Are you saying that the 727 indicted insurrectionists don't mean anything? Beastly Boy Dec 2021 #84
Did I say that or do you make it a habit of putting words in peoples' mouths? berni_mccoy Dec 2021 #86
No, this is the first time you said it. Beastly Boy Dec 2021 #90
we're supposed to have, you know, CONFIDENCE in them Skittles Dec 2021 #95
Not only Congress is frustrated with the DOJ Poiuyt Dec 2021 #13
Impatience not confined to DU Pantagruel Dec 2021 #14
i think this is part of the problem, also. he has a big ship to right. mopinko Dec 2021 #68
All the more reason he should have hired a special prosecutor months ago questionseverything Dec 2021 #71
Former AG Barr had no problems articulating his messages to the public Mr. Ected Dec 2021 #22
Let's begin with February 21: TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #56
Do you have a feeling that Congres knows there is no investigation, or Beastly Boy Dec 2021 #25
I suspect more the latter but what is clear is that assuming there is an investigation LymphocyteLover Dec 2021 #31
Have any records even been requested or subpoenaed? DOJ is a huge disappointment, dem4decades Dec 2021 #45
It's cool to be disappointed. Beastly Boy Dec 2021 #88
Quite honestly, I'm pretty sick of being disappointed. dem4decades Dec 2021 #93
✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ msfiddlestix Dec 2021 #28
So The Department Of Justice Is Ran By Republicans And Oligarchs? Who Could Have Guessed DanieRains Dec 2021 #30
The Justice Department Needs To Report To The Intelligence And Judicial Committees DanieRains Dec 2021 #32
As expected from Ro. A regular on FoxNews. Budi Dec 2021 #33
I liked Mike Honda. I wish hhe was still in the seat that Ro Khana is now occupying. NBachers Dec 2021 #77
OK, So, Ro Khanna Can Speak for Congress Now? MineralMan Dec 2021 #36
Thank you. Budi Dec 2021 #39
I don't know about a link. You'd have to ask the OP. MineralMan Dec 2021 #40
Peter Thiel donated severl times to Ro's campaigns. Budi Dec 2021 #44
Well, OK. He also got lots of donations from Facebook folks. MineralMan Dec 2021 #50
Silicon Valley deserves to be busted. Budi Dec 2021 #62
I did paraphrase as I was listening on the radio berni_mccoy Dec 2021 #52
I see. So, it's not "Congress," but "members of Congress." MineralMan Dec 2021 #64
So much for that democratic unity , huh? questionseverything Dec 2021 #73
What? Khanna votes with the Democratic caucus. MineralMan Dec 2021 #83
Post removed Post removed Dec 2021 #37
Hopefully he didn't actually use the word "frustrated" gulliver Dec 2021 #38
He did. I paraphrased but that word was used. berni_mccoy Dec 2021 #47
all I want for Christmas... RussBLib Dec 2021 #48
They probably cannot make such a statement TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #65
I am not in the screaming "do something!" camp RussBLib Dec 2021 #67
I didn't consider you to be among the "do something!" camp. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #74
DoJ is world renowned for jailing rich, politically-connected people. pecosbob Dec 2021 #57
You probably should start a petition to impeach AG Garland Fiendish Thingy Dec 2021 #60
That might satisfy the need for immediate gratification that some desire. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #85
I sure can understand why AG Garland is the recipient of a smear campaign! Budi Dec 2021 #69
I don't listen to much he says. boston bean Dec 2021 #76
I don't think this is a winning issue to run on Polybius Dec 2021 #92
If you're considering the political ramifications first, you don't have the correct priorities berni_mccoy Dec 2021 #94

TexasTowelie

(127,317 posts)
1. I'm okay with your post reporting what Rep. Khanna said.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 03:00 PM
Dec 2021

However, why do we need to discuss your feelings again? Version 20211218-1249 of Gloom, Despair, and Agony on Me isn't likely to address your feelings or make you feel better, so why are you dredging this up again when it didn't end particularly well for you the last time you did so?

gab13by13

(32,297 posts)
5. I have no problem with the poster's last sentence.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 03:13 PM
Dec 2021

I think it summarizes what Khanna said.

Time for the Churchill quote? Our democracy is hanging by a thread, the insurrection didn't stop on 1/6 it has intensified, those are facts and you bet they are scary.

Wanting DOJ to act to save our democracy is necessary and should be demanded.

TexasTowelie

(127,317 posts)
21. I'm sorry, but I'm tired of the drama.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 03:55 PM
Dec 2021

The last couple of nights I've stayed away from DU comparatively speaking because of the speculation made by some members. As I mentioned, he has already brought up his doubts and they have been thoroughly discussed. Rehashing the same topic is pointless, unproductive, and disruptive.

TexasTowelie

(127,317 posts)
42. If I did, then there would hardly be any threads left to read on DU.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:25 PM
Dec 2021

I also shouldn't expect to see so much criticism of Democrats and members of a Democratic administration on a site that supports Democrats. I'm less inclined to post about other unrelated topics that Democrats may want to discuss because the overall atmosphere on DU is becoming negative, undermining, and unproductive. Speaking of which, it's time to do some laundry.

demmiblue

(39,715 posts)
72. Ridiculous. There are a plethora of great posts on DU...
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 05:16 PM
Dec 2021

AND I have a healthy ignore list (mostly finger-waggers, drama llamas and people who tend to post duplicates ad nauseum).

If one tends to constantly involve themselves in the relatively small number of drama-filled flaming threads, I can see how their view of DU can become skewed.

TexasTowelie

(127,317 posts)
80. I don't use the Ignore function very much
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 05:40 PM
Dec 2021

and even when I ignore a specific member I usually only keep that person on ignore for a relatively short period of time. I don't trash threads because I do want to read the good, the bad, and the ugly. There are members here that I don't particularly like, but occasionally they might post something that catches my interest even if I don't rec or comment on the thread.

The one thing that I am certain of is that DOJ will move at their own pace. Their investigation is not going to be influenced by what is said on DU and they will set their own timelines while also potentially prosecuting any referrals from the J6 committee. That is their job at the DOJ and I'm not going to take the role of Monday morning QB rationalizing, questioning, and doubting every course of action.

 

AncientAndy

(73 posts)
81. I'm viewing the site by "Most Discussed"...
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 05:55 PM
Dec 2021

and had to scroll down 60 stories before I found a positive one about a Democrat. It’s the one titled “Huge accomplishment by President Biden”.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=latest_threads&mode=latest&sort1=replies

Crunchy Frog

(28,279 posts)
87. I know that it makes my experience here immeasurably better.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 06:11 PM
Dec 2021

Real life already provides me with sufficient aggravation. I don't need to deal with it here as well.

MineralMan

(151,249 posts)
51. Why would someone do that?
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:38 PM
Dec 2021

Because you told them to? I'm not sure I understand. I don't use either of those tools on DU, either. I want to see what is posted here - all of it. And, as a DUer, I know that any DUer can participate in any thread on this forum. We discuss things here; we don't just agree with everything posted here. Should we? What do you think?

Alpeduez21

(2,052 posts)
29. This is my first time seeing the op's opinion
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:07 PM
Dec 2021

It NOT the first time I’ve heard the usual suspects onDU whine about not wanting posts about the complete lack of effort by Garland et al to be posted

TexasTowelie

(127,317 posts)
35. Oh well,
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:14 PM
Dec 2021

I don't have any control over when you decide to read DU. It is odd that you only note the whines about Garland and ignore all of the OPs that are effectively undermining him, but people only see what they want to see.

Tommymac

(7,334 posts)
78. Um, you seem to be pointing to yourself here.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 05:32 PM
Dec 2021

Posters post. Readers read. Blogs work that way.

There are Dozens upon Dozens of threads in many Forums to read here. Take your pick, don't pick on legitimate people who are motivated to post their view point as it matters too, whether you agree with it or not.

After all, you are free to rebut and respond just like I am doing to you... or ignore and trash threads that bother you that much too.

We are all in this together - if you want to get frustrated get frustrated at TFG and the Insurrectionist Party trying to destroy our democracy and kill us by ignoring Science and how to mitigate the Pandemic.



femmedem

(8,561 posts)
96. This is a discussion board, not merely a news source. I know you've been feeling down
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 09:41 AM
Dec 2021

and that is likely coloring your response.

I greatly appreciate everything you bring to DU--you are one of my favorite posters--and I hope you feel better soon.

I sometimes find DU depressing and take short breaks. More often, I skip posts that I suspect will lead to discussions that don't have value for me. But those posts might have value for someone else. Sometimes people need to vent and others need to know that they are not alone in their worries.

I really do hope you feel better soon. I'm luckier than most--I don't live alone, we haven't had covid in our household, I have enough money to pay my bills--but I, too, am feeling worn down by the extended pandemic and wondering when so many ordinary pleasures will feel safe again.

Edited to add: I've read through more of the replies and want to thank you for the information you posted throughout the discussion.

MineralMan

(151,249 posts)
53. Without comment? I didn't see anyone try
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:40 PM
Dec 2021

to stop the OP from posting. Are you suggesting that people not state any disagreement with other DUers here?

Any DUer can "have his say," but not without discussion by other DUers.

dpibel

(3,936 posts)
18. Feelings bad, faith good?
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 03:49 PM
Dec 2021

The "patience grasshopper" gang seems to feel that its faith in Garland is much more valid than anyone else's questions, doubts, or, if you will, "feelings."

How does that work?

TexasTowelie

(127,317 posts)
27. Let me set you straight--I am not a member of any gang
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:05 PM
Dec 2021

unless you consider being a Democratic party voter as being a gang member.

I worked in government and I also was involved in the initiation of legal cases so I have personal experience with how valuable a commodity "patience" is and nobody is going to tell me that acting impulsively or rashly is good policy. I don't have an issue with people asking questions, but when the same question is asked (or the same opinion is stated) repeatedly by the same person in multiple OPs it is disruptive and some may speculate that it reaches the point that it is considered "trolling" as well.

I don't see the point of trying to undermine the Biden administration by continually subjecting Garland and the DOJ to criticism from people who are impatient, seeking immediate gratification, and most likely don't have the intellectual understanding of what it takes to prosecute a case. So to answer your initial question, yes--feelings bad, faith good.

Crunchy Frog

(28,279 posts)
54. Are you suggesting that members of Congress are impulsive and rash?
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:41 PM
Dec 2021

Is the Biden administration so weak in your opinion, that it will be undermined by some posts on a political discussion board?

TexasTowelie

(127,317 posts)
59. Yes, there are members of Congress that are impulsive and rash. That shouldn't come as a shock to
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:49 PM
Dec 2021

anyone. I also don't believe that the Biden administration is weak despite the desperate futile feeble attempts being made to undermine it.

Eliot Rosewater

(34,285 posts)
79. Then allow me say to you if donald trump the traitor is the GOP nominee in 2024, there is no way
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 05:38 PM
Dec 2021

the country survives.

In fact, I say we may not survive Nov 2022 when NO red state official will certify any election they lose that they have the power to.

In a healthy democracy the courts would take over at that point, our courts have too many MAGA on them and even if that were not the case the chaos created on purpose will kill the country.

Dont believe me or the OP?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2024-election-coup-military-participants_n_61bd52f2e4b0bcd2193f3d72



Generals Warn Of Divided Military And Possible Civil War In Next U.S. Coup Attempt
"Some might follow orders from the rightful commander in chief, while others might follow the Trumpian loser," which could trigger civil war, the generals wrote.
Mary Papenfuss
By
Mary Papenfuss
12/18/2021 09:28am EST


Right now we are in a state of emergency as if a tidal wave was coming and we have hours to get out of the way...like it or not. And I am not just speaking to you but to anyone here who doubts this.

Autumn

(48,956 posts)
2. Thanks for posting this. I don't watch MSNBC and was not aware of what Rep. Khanna had to say.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 03:03 PM
Dec 2021

This is big. When Rep. Khanna says this we have a big problem.

lapucelle

(21,054 posts)
7. If Ro Khanna did say this and is making himself the spokesperson for "Congress",
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 03:14 PM
Dec 2021

we do indeed have a big problem.

Autumn

(48,956 posts)
16. It's not like he's giving out classified informtion. IMO he's doing his job.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 03:42 PM
Dec 2021

I see plenty of politicians talking about things on TV. In fact our VP made a statement in the last few days that was rather stunning about the Biden administration. Keeping the people informed is not the big problem, hiding things from citizens is the big problem. Of course, YMOV.

lapucelle

(21,054 posts)
20. If Ro Khanna actually said "Congress is frustrated" then he is purporting to speak for Congress.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 03:53 PM
Dec 2021

It would be a major problem if any one member appointed him or herself the spokesman for the entire body.

Autumn

(48,956 posts)
24. Call the DOJ or Pelosi. Maybe they will investigate him. Right now I'm out of fucks to give
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:03 PM
Dec 2021

about him "appointing himself spokesman for Congress". Which he did not do. He said "Congress is frustrated". I imagine their frustration is off the charts, between the insurrection, Trump selling out our country and roaming around holding rally's and the obstruction of Biden's agenda by a couple of our own members.

lapucelle

(21,054 posts)
43. When someone says,"Congress is frustrated" that person purports to speak for Congress.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:28 PM
Dec 2021

Just because some might be "out of fucks to give" about whether Democrats like Ro Khanna are misquoted or misrepresented, it doesn't mean that everyone else is.

Autumn

(48,956 posts)
46. Make sure you find the proper statute and call Pelosi and the DOJ and report what he said.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:32 PM
Dec 2021

They can handle his crimes. laughing: Until then? No fucks given.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,200 posts)
63. Do you think it's time for impeachment hearings for Garland?
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:56 PM
Dec 2021

Since Biden doesn’t intend to fire him, that would be your only recourse.

Autumn

(48,956 posts)
66. I think that our leadership and the President should give him a *nudge* and remind
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 05:07 PM
Dec 2021

him that we are a nation of laws and the powerful should be held to the same standard of laws as the regular person. When laws are broken there must be repucussions. The fact that the Bush administration was not held accountble for the crimes they commited was a part of what led to Barr and Trump.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,200 posts)
70. But that would be unethical, akin to Barr's relationship with Trump
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 05:12 PM
Dec 2021

You don’t want Biden to act like Trump with the DOJ, do you?

Autumn

(48,956 posts)
75. I want the DOJ to investigate the many crimes that Trump committed.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 05:21 PM
Dec 2021

Publicly, openly and thoroughly. Do their fucking job. End of story.

questionseverything

(11,834 posts)
89. Not the same at all
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 06:23 PM
Dec 2021

Trump wanted people prosecuted for imaginary crimes

Biden’s justice department should be encouraged to follow the law wherever it leads

Fiendish Thingy

(23,200 posts)
91. Read up on the protocols on the relationship between WH and DOJ
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 06:30 PM
Dec 2021

Except from counsel to counsel, WH is not supposed to have any contact with DOJ.

pecosbob

(8,384 posts)
34. Wumao Army are Chinese trolls paid by the CCP to spam social media
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:14 PM
Dec 2021

The net result is that in certain social media if you post anything that paints China in a bad light you will be brigaded by trolls.

jalan48

(14,914 posts)
61. +1
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:53 PM
Dec 2021

I'd bet Wall St and especially the fossil fuel industry have their own little Wumao armies trying to shape public opinion here in the good ole USA

dem4decades

(14,051 posts)
10. Why does everyone here defend DOJ? They have done nothing other than
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 03:22 PM
Dec 2021

Charge low level thugs.

The Republicans still have Durham out there creating trouble and we have nothing.

gab13by13

(32,297 posts)
12. That's something that Garland should do,
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 03:29 PM
Dec 2021

appoint a special counsel, just like Barr appointed Durham. Barr gave Durham protections so he can't be fired, he is getting paid to dig up dirt on the Bidens.

Poiuyt

(18,272 posts)
15. Normally, I would defend an impartial DOJ, but not in this case
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 03:40 PM
Dec 2021

Being impartial does not mean ignoring political crimes committed by actors on the other side. When these crimes are so egregious, they cannot be ignored and must be prosecuted without regard to political costs.

Irish_Dem

(81,213 posts)
19. Yes, could he be carrying the impartiality issue so far he lets
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 03:52 PM
Dec 2021

the major GOP perpetrators off the hook?

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
17. 727 "low level" thugs, to be precise
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 03:43 PM
Dec 2021

the "low level" charges include: Assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers, inflicting bodily injury, obstructing official government business, assault with deadly weapon, obstruction of Congress, to name a few.

https://www.insider.com/all-the-us-capitol-pro-trump-riot-arrests-charges-names-2021-1

Oh yes, none of it counts unless Trump gets indicted. Reason enough to accuse DOJ for doing nothing, right?

dem4decades

(14,051 posts)
41. Yes they are low level charges when you ignore sedition. But I'm glad you're
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:25 PM
Dec 2021

Happy pawns are sacrificed

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
82. I am extatic about 727 traitors facing charges!
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 05:59 PM
Dec 2021

For starters, it sends a resounding STFU message to all those who idly muse about DOJ doing nothing. And frankly, I don't care for being a crime snob: I will not be particularly offended if a traitor serves 10 years for assault with a deadly weapon or 10 years for insurrection. Or state charges of tax evasion, for that matter, even if you might consider it a lower level charge.

These 727 charges also reinforce my affinity for equal justice under the law. Proven guilty, a felon is a felon, with no distinction of rank or position, and I am glad the law applies in equal measure to both pawns and kings. It's our best defense from queens walking away free of charges.

And you will have to elaborate about who you consider pawns, and what you mean by "sacrificed". Some may misinterpret your comment as saying that all 727 indicted felons are pawns, and that it doesn't make any difference whether they face charges or not.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
58. There were thousands who attacked the Capitol
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:48 PM
Dec 2021

So there is a long way to go before all the thugs are brought to justice.

It won’t mean anything unless those responsible are brought to justice.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
84. Are you saying that the 727 indicted insurrectionists don't mean anything?
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 06:07 PM
Dec 2021

I sincerely hope you didn't mean it!

And I believe you are contradicting yourself: you acknowledge there is a long way to go before before all the thugs are brought to justice (no shit!), yet you demand Garland take hasty action or else it's his fault for doing nothing.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
90. No, this is the first time you said it.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 06:25 PM
Dec 2021

You never cited any examples of me putting words into your mouth either.

But I did say that you are partial to making unfounded accusations.

Skittles

(171,687 posts)
95. we're supposed to have, you know, CONFIDENCE in them
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 09:08 PM
Dec 2021

we are supposed to forget about Fitmas, Mueller, etc.

Poiuyt

(18,272 posts)
13. Not only Congress is frustrated with the DOJ
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 03:32 PM
Dec 2021

Generals Warn Of Divided Military And Possible Civil War In Next U.S. Coup Attempt

--snip--

The “lack of military preparedness for the aftermath of the 2020 election was striking and worrying. Trump’s acting defense secretary, Christopher Miller, testified that he deliberately withheld military protection of the Capitol before Jan. 6,” the generals noted.

That can’t happen again, they emphasized.

Military leaders can’t wait for elected officials to take adequate action to prepare for the next time. “Not a single leader who inspired” the last attempt has even been “held to account,” the generals noted.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2024-election-coup-military-participants_n_61bd52f2e4b0bcd2193f3d72

 

Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
14. Impatience not confined to DU
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 03:37 PM
Dec 2021

Khanna's mail is probably reflecting the frustrations. But as I've argued before:


https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16151153

In addition, DOJ underwent 4 years of Trump hiring, indisputably biased against even handed justice. Sadly, many of those hires probably still ensconced at DOJ, throwing wrenches in the gears, further slowing the processes.
Garland has a tough job in front of him, probably massively understaffed. Trump put a crook in charge of almost every cabinet division. The sheer list of potentially prosecutable offenses is daunting on size alone.

Patience folks.

mopinko

(73,722 posts)
68. i think this is part of the problem, also. he has a big ship to right.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 05:10 PM
Dec 2021

assuming it isnt easy to just fire doj personnel, he's got a lot of housekeeping to do.
me, i, i'd do that 1st.

Mr. Ected

(9,714 posts)
22. Former AG Barr had no problems articulating his messages to the public
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:00 PM
Dec 2021

No matter how nefarious they were.

If Garland could simply throw us all a bone and let us know that he understands our concerns and that DOJ is processing its own evidence regarding the attempted overthrow of our government (among other things) many of us would sleep better at night.

After all, it's our government, right? As long as they don't telegraph their moves, a little comfort couldn't hurt.

TexasTowelie

(127,317 posts)
56. Let's begin with February 21:
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:44 PM
Dec 2021
Garland pledges to make investigation into Jan. 6 attack his first priority as attorney general
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/garland-face-tough-questions-confirmation-hearing-be-biden-s-attorney-n1258444


Then there is this statement released by the DOJ on June 24:
Statement of Attorney General Merrick B. Garland on the Investigation into the January 6th Attack on the Capitol
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/statement-attorney-general-merrick-b-garland-investigation-january-6th-attack-capitol


Then we heard from Garland again on October 21 when there were doubts about the DOJ prosecuting Steve Bannon:
Garland: DOJ 'will apply the facts and the law' when considering Bannon referral
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/21/politics/garland-house-judiciary-hearing-oversight/index.html


I don't understand the notion that Garland is not taking his job seriously, but you asked for a bone and I've provided three bones to alleviate everyone's concerns. What do the doubters want in the future--the entire steer butchered into parts easily retrieved from the freezer?
 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
25. Do you have a feeling that Congres knows there is no investigation, or
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:04 PM
Dec 2021

do you have a feeling that Congress doesn't know there is investigation?

To listen to Khanna, the latter is more likely to be the case.

I have a feeling that we would need Khanna's direct quote before we can sort out our feelings.

LymphocyteLover

(9,836 posts)
31. I suspect more the latter but what is clear is that assuming there is an investigation
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:10 PM
Dec 2021

of the Jan 6th leaders, it hasn't progressed very far-- no signs of a grand jury.

dem4decades

(14,051 posts)
45. Have any records even been requested or subpoenaed? DOJ is a huge disappointment,
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:30 PM
Dec 2021

So sick of thinking they'll do anything.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
88. It's cool to be disappointed.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 06:20 PM
Dec 2021

It's a whole different thing when one's disappointments (referring to the OP) become the basis of unfounded accusations.

dem4decades

(14,051 posts)
93. Quite honestly, I'm pretty sick of being disappointed.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 07:09 PM
Dec 2021

Remember how fast the FBI jumped on the Weiner laptop investigation and running out to the microphones to let the nation know they were on the job?

So do I, but now the FBI does nothing, no one is going to court to fight FBI subpoenas into the insurrection.

The only DOJ investigation being done is by Durham, it's disgraceful.

 

DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
30. So The Department Of Justice Is Ran By Republicans And Oligarchs? Who Could Have Guessed
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:07 PM
Dec 2021

They are too busy protecting Epstein's friends to do their job.

 

DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
32. The Justice Department Needs To Report To The Intelligence And Judicial Committees
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:11 PM
Dec 2021

They will know what and what is not being done.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
33. As expected from Ro. A regular on FoxNews.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:12 PM
Dec 2021

An ally of Silicon Valley & Peter Thiel.

Passing on yet another statement degrading the Democratic leadership of this country.
Par for him.

Ro knows nothing more than we do as to what Garland's doing with the matter of taking down the mob.
This is his opinion & not a factual based statement.

I'm not a fan & not required to be, considering his political affiliations.
Thanks anyway.


NBachers

(19,438 posts)
77. I liked Mike Honda. I wish hhe was still in the seat that Ro Khana is now occupying.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 05:27 PM
Dec 2021

MineralMan

(151,249 posts)
36. OK, So, Ro Khanna Can Speak for Congress Now?
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:14 PM
Dec 2021

Really? He has been in the House since 2017. I suggest that he is not competent to speak for Congress, nor even for the Democratic Caucus in the House of Representatives. As far as I know, he is also not a member of the January 6 Committee. Nor is he a member of the Judiciary Committee.

Now, I wouldn't be surprised if he feels frustrated with the DOJ, but I think he cannot speak for Congress.

Perhaps you can explain how he can do that. Your feelings, however, are not evidence.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
39. Thank you.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:19 PM
Dec 2021

Ro is another messenger for Media with little authority to speak against the Jan 6 committee nor AG Garland's DOJ internal business.

Now perhaps a better question to Ro, would be to explain his long time political affiliation with Peter Thiel.


Is there a link to the OP or is it just snippets of an opinion?

MineralMan

(151,249 posts)
40. I don't know about a link. You'd have to ask the OP.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:22 PM
Dec 2021

I'm not watching MSNBC this afternoon, so I did not hear this live. I only know about it from the OP's paraphrase and analysis of what one House member may have said.

I'm not a huge fan of Ro Khanna, nor of Justice Democrats in general. I remember the past all too well.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
44. Peter Thiel donated severl times to Ro's campaigns.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:29 PM
Dec 2021

Thiel & Silicon Valley & his direct line to Trump, is enough to question statements by Mr Ro.

ick.

MineralMan

(151,249 posts)
50. Well, OK. He also got lots of donations from Facebook folks.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:36 PM
Dec 2021

I'm not sure that's relevant to this, though.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
62. Silicon Valley deserves to be busted.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:55 PM
Dec 2021

Thiel's Palantir, Stripe CrCard processing, which was written by Saikat Chakrabarti when he worked for Thiel & before Zack Exley's Brand New Congress, when it merged with Justice Democrats. & Then there's Thiel's ties to Mercer & Cambridge Analytica.. & on & on.

I could go on here, but will leave it for another day.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
52. I did paraphrase as I was listening on the radio
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:39 PM
Dec 2021

However he did say “members of Congress” and used the word frustrated. Alex Witt asked him if he was frustrated and he said, “frustrated, yes as are many members of Congress”, in reference to the lack of DOJ action.

MineralMan

(151,249 posts)
64. I see. So, it's not "Congress," but "members of Congress."
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:58 PM
Dec 2021

That's a different thing, isn't it. Which members? How many? 2 is members. 5 is many members? Not much precision there, is there, and certainly not all of "Congress."

See why we asked questions?

MineralMan

(151,249 posts)
83. What? Khanna votes with the Democratic caucus.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 06:04 PM
Dec 2021

If he runs again in his California district, I hope he wins. If he is in danger of losing, I'll donate to his campaign. That does not mean that I agree with him on everything, though. I don't live in his district.

You're off base.

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gulliver

(13,982 posts)
38. Hopefully he didn't actually use the word "frustrated"
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:16 PM
Dec 2021

I'm fine with Congresspeople saying what they have to say to humor their constituents' impulses. The DOJ is independent it course, but a lot of folks insist on working the ref. Fine

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
47. He did. I paraphrased but that word was used.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:32 PM
Dec 2021

I was listening on the radio but I will try to get the link to the video

RussBLib

(10,635 posts)
48. all I want for Christmas...
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:32 PM
Dec 2021

...is the DOJ to confirm they are "on the case" re T**** and his band of coup plotters

TexasTowelie

(127,317 posts)
65. They probably cannot make such a statement
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 05:03 PM
Dec 2021

because it could be construed as prejudice that could jeopardize the entire investigation. See post #56 for confirmation that the DOJ is on the case. I'm sorry if that isn't the Christmas gift that you wanted, but I wish you Merry Christmas all the same.

RussBLib

(10,635 posts)
67. I am not in the screaming "do something!" camp
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 05:09 PM
Dec 2021

I believe that Garland and the DOJ are working methodically to determine what happened and who instigated things, and I hope he is not shying away from going after T**** when the time comes. Our democracy depends on it.

I get impatient like many, but each week brings new revelations, so I am pretty sure the entire picture is not yet in focus.

But still, a tiny little bone would be nice, something like, "yes, we are paying close attention to the House committee, and we are pursuing things in deliberate fashion." That would be plenty.

The Jan 6 anniversary will be....interesting.

TexasTowelie

(127,317 posts)
74. I didn't consider you to be among the "do something!" camp.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 05:21 PM
Dec 2021

I think that the tiny little bone that you are hunting has already been provided. The DOJ got the indictment on Bannon and that was because of the House committee. There will almost certainly be more indictments coming down the pipeline, but we may have to wait for the J6 committee to do their live interrogations of witnesses to initiate the indictments.

pecosbob

(8,384 posts)
57. DoJ is world renowned for jailing rich, politically-connected people.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:45 PM
Dec 2021

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Wake me up if any indictments are handed down.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,200 posts)
60. You probably should start a petition to impeach AG Garland
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:52 PM
Dec 2021

Maybe Rep. Khanna would take you up on it. You might even get 2/3 in the senate (mostly republicans of course)

Since he has already testified to congress, and won’t discuss any ongoing investigations, and since you and many here are certain that the lack of information or even a simple confirmation of an ongoing investigation of Trump and the coup organizers is solid proof that there isn’t an investigation, then impeachment seems to be your only recourse.

Who do you think Biden could get confirmed as Garland’s replacement? (Hint: someone already confirmed once by the senate could be promoted and not need reconfirmation)

TexasTowelie

(127,317 posts)
85. That might satisfy the need for immediate gratification that some desire.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 06:10 PM
Dec 2021

It would be regrettable though since an impeachment would be directed at the wrong person.

However, the impeachment shelf life won't last long since Biden will need to nominate someone else to replace Garland. While, I didn't consider that the nominee may have already be confirmed, I was thinking more along the lines that in order to get an AG confirmed it is going to take 50 votes in the Senate and that also means that Manchin and Sinema will have to vote for confirmation. That may not be an easy goal to obtain considering the negative rhetoric that both received from the progressive wing of the party.

Provided that the nomination is confirmed it will take time for the new AG to get into office, evaluate the case, and possibly not take any action.

Meanwhile, replacing an AG will certainly take time and add further delays into the prosecution of any individuals--most likely until after the mid-term elections. Therefore, I hope that the progressives do not ask for Garland's resignation and I'm reminded of the saying, "be careful what you ask for, you might get it."

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
69. I sure can understand why AG Garland is the recipient of a smear campaign!
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 05:12 PM
Dec 2021

I mean, look what's at stake for the participants to the dirty desperate coup on our process to certify & seat a new President voted of & by the people & their electorate.

Maybe Ro could address how deep that corrupt rabbit hole may go.

Who's protecting who, by the drumbeat of degradation messaging directed daily at the of the man, chosen by our President & whose past specifically qualifies him for this particular case?

Who all cowers behind such derrogatory slander, for what AG Garland will find out?

Who's hands got a little dirty in the process of keeping Biden from being crtified on Jan 6th.

Just making a point.



Polybius

(21,894 posts)
92. I don't think this is a winning issue to run on
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 06:53 PM
Dec 2021

With Russiagate, the public grew tired of it and it led to nowhere. I'm fine with letting Garland do his job behind the scenes. Take your time, then prosecute if necessary. Hearings will do more harm than good.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
94. If you're considering the political ramifications first, you don't have the correct priorities
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 07:37 PM
Dec 2021

This issue is about holding those in power to the same justice as the thugs they used to commit violence.

And as far as politics go for the next election, things already look extremely bad for Democrats. Unless BBB and the Voting Rights bill get passed, we are going to lose our majority in 2022 and the executive in 2024.

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