MANCHIN CONFIRMED it this morning, a NO vote on BBB

[Etherealoc1]

Reported a few days ago...

’Joe Manchin is, and has been, a firm ‘no’ on BBB
https://www.audacy.com/971talk/news/politics/joe-manchin-is-and-has-been-a-firm-no-on-bbb-says-gray-tv-anchor

This morning, on Faux News Sunday Manchin CONFIRMED his vote is a NO on BBB.

Manchin says he will not vote for Build Back Better: 'This is a no' | TheHill
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/586450-manchin-says-he-will-not-vote-for-build-back-better-this-is-a-no

[Shrek]

1. Video link

Link to tweet

[Joinfortmill]

9. On Fox, really?? Is he still even a Democrat?

[Mad_Machine76]

53. He never tried to do anything.

[Goodheart]

2. And people wonder why China is leaving us in the dust.

[mucifer]

3. he's gonna enjoy lots of $$$$$$$$$

[DSandra]

15. American dysfunctionality convinces the rest of the world to not follow democracy

Democracy is dying.

https://freedomhouse.org/article/new-report-global-decline-democracy-has-accelerated

[Mad_Machine76]

4. He's come out the closet on this

FINALLY. This is where it's all seemed to be heading. Sinema must be feeling a release of the pressure too.

Defenders? Anybody? Bueller?



Hope he gets a visit from some ghosts on Christmas Eve.

[Bettie]

5. They will be along soon to

sing his praises and find a way to blame this on progressives.

[Mad_Machine76]

8. Yeah

He was never going to vote for this no matter what Progressives did or said and it's been pretty apparent for a while now. He and Sinema got the BIF and that's all that mattered to them. Not even a freaking vote on BBB.

[LonePirate]

6. Fuck him!

[demmiblue]

18. Careful, the finger-waggers may come after you!

[FalloutShelter]

7. Good

Turn off the cameras and stop talking to him.
Let’s move on to try to bring along a senator or two from the states that are facing a hell scape after the tornadoes. Their constituents will be begging for deliverables.

JMHO

[Joinfortmill]

10. Totally agree.

[Deuxcents]

28. Me, too

After the disaster 4hat hit these states, he still can’t see the benefits of good jobs to rebuild and infrastructure needed even before the tornadoes. Does he have a soul?

[dem4decades]

11. Mitch? Rand? And whoever the other idiots you're talking about? Santa has a better chance.

[FalloutShelter]

19. Even THEY will feel pressure

To deliver for constituents devastated my disaster.

[berni_mccoy]

16. You won't get a single R to switch on this.

[FalloutShelter]

22. I would not be so sure.

Have you ever lived in a state where a natural disaster creates instant impoverishment?
I have. It creates a LOT OF PRESSURE TO DELIVER RESULTS.

[berni_mccoy]

29. Biden as already said they the Federal response will

Cover all the damage. Why do they need the BBB? These voters have a very strong track record of voting against their own interest.

All McConnell has to say is the S word.

[FalloutShelter]

35. Let displaces families ask what happened to

Their child tax credit for starters.

[Bettie]

40. They will be told that Biden stopped

and screwed them over.

That is how the whole thing works, Fox news and OAN will talk nonstop about how Biden personally made the checks stop just to fuck them over.

[malaise]

25. Great post

Wish I could rec

[FalloutShelter]

27. Thanks Mal

[LonePirate]

21. Couldn't have said it better myself!

[berni_mccoy]

13. Been calling this since the summer.

He’s as predictable as the sun rising in the East.

Maybe now some will listen to me wrt the DOJ.

[spanone]

14. How appropriate that he said this on faux 'news'

[PTWB]

17. We should never have split the BIF and BBB

Our progressive wing warned us repeatedly that this would be the outcome. The “moderates” just betrayed Joe Biden after all his hard work on BBB.

[demmiblue]

20. +1

[Nixie]

26. No, the "progressives" handed Manchin's excuses to him on a

silver platter. That was evident months ago by Joe and Bernie relishing the public fighting so much. The BIF should not have been held up for their media fights.

[berni_mccoy]

31. That's a bunch of Malarkey and you know it

[PTWB]

38. That one doesn't actually believe that.

There's no way. It's got to be satire.

[Nixie]

39. I saw who was on my TV and what they were saying.

It was months of this. It should not have been such a media event. That just gave Manchin a chance to build a better mouse trap. It's such a shame.

[PTWB]

37. LOL

Now THAT is grade A satire!

Of course it isn't his fault that he betrayed the country, betrayed Joe Biden, betrayed the party, and that he chose to kill Build Back Better. It is the fault of the progressives, of course!

[Nixie]

41. "progressives" were who Manchin was arguing with. If you look at the election results, it shows

he took a calculated risk based on election results, and we know how that turned out.

[PTWB]

43. Progressives warned us that he would betray us if we split the BIF and BBB.

They were right.

[Nixie]

46. "progressives" 6 of them voted with Republicans. Is that a betrayal??? Or did they have their

own special reasons?

Manchin took his own special reasons and ran with them. So he wasn't the only one. The rest of us just saw the damage unfolding on TV -- for months. It's a real shame all the way around for the rest of us.

[PTWB]

50. Oh, that's an easy one, RB!

We were promised that the bills would be tied together. When that promise was broken, these courageous representatives could not, in good conscience, vote for BIF knowing that BBB would die at the hands of the right wing extremists.

[Nixie]

54. "we were promised" -- And giving into that was what Pelosi corrected so "we" could get

something done by passing the BIF -- and quit the damaging public display of Democrats fighting.

[PTWB]

55. LOL

Today doesn't seem like the best day to make the argument that giving up our leverage to advance the BBB was a wise decision, given the current events.

We could all use some levity after the "moderates" killed the BBB. Here's a cute baby gif to lighten things up!

[Nixie]

58. Thank God we got the BIF done, which should have

been done months ago. It’s a shame Manchin was given too much wiggle room to argue in the media. That was a strategic mistake.

[PTWB]

59. I'm glad BIF passed, too.

The strategic mistake was passing BIF without BBB because it removed our leverage to pass BBB. We could have had both of them if we'd listened to the progressive wing but, alas, mistakes were made.

And we'll be paying for those mistakes in 2022 and 2024. Ceding control over the BBB to the "moderates" is going to cost us dearly.

[Nixie]

60. The public fighting is what cost us dearly. But that's

correctable, thanks to Pelosi putting an end to it.

[PTWB]

62. BBB is dead because "moderates" killed it despite warnings that would happen by our progressives.

I'm so glad that you feel like things are corrected.

STOP THE PRESSES EVERYONE! 2022 and 2024 are going to be fine because RB thinks so.

[Nixie]

63. Thanks to Pelosi for getting something done before both

were compromised.

[PTWB]

66. It's good that BIF passed.

But BIF would have passed anyway. The only leverage we had to pass BBB was binding it to BIF. Splitting them removed the leverage. Progressives warned that BBB would be killed by "moderates" and, sure enough, we were right.

[Emile]

45. You must write for the onion!

[Arazi]

48. Kudos for today's most creative way to blame progressive Dems

[Nixie]

64. It's not blame. It was just an observation about the initial

media fighting and who benefitted more from it. Obviously Manchin thought he did and he ran with it, which is a shame he was given so much.

[SheltieLover]

23. Dems should rework bill & include hefty stimulus check

Let's see then how much his constituents pressure him to vote for it.

[Tomconroy]

30. Yes. Try to salvage the child tax credit for sure.

[SheltieLover]

33. Do something for seniors for a change

[XanaDUer2]

52. Agreed nt

[AngryOldDem]

24. At least the fucker's now being upfront about it.

Really — did anyone here expect anything different?

Guy from one of the most impoverished states in the union tanking a bill that would help his state…because “his voters.”

It’s going to be a rough two years for Biden, largely thanks to DINOs like Manchin.

🖕

[femmedem]

34. The ads against him will write themselves.

I can only assume he's planning on retiring and is more interested in protecting his family's coal wealth than in helping his constituents.

[kacekwl]

32. Asshole goes on faux to

announce what I knew from the get go.

[doc03]

36. That was pretty obvious months ago.

[berni_mccoy]

49. Some of us even called him out months ago

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215899697

Read the exchanges in that thread.

I’ve been saying for months that if the bills don’t pass together, then BBB was dead because Manchin would never support it.

[doc03]

56. Then we wouldn't have either one. nt

[modrepub]

42. Hard Ball

Cut federal spending allotments to WV to match their contributions to federal coffers. Then buy them some boot straps so they can pull themselves up by them.

You shouldn't reward folks with federal money if they don't really want it after all.

[Emile]

44. Not a team player for sure! Giving a middle finger

to the overwhelming majority of the party is not good for the midterm elections! Leadership need to convince him to do what is right for the party!

[Celerity]

47. So a 'No' even if we basically let him write it?

We simply have to get the CTC and Universal Pe K done, plus whatever tax increases on corps and the rich to help pay for it, even if the rest is chopped.

[AngryOldDem]

51. He just needs to leave the party now.

Months of plain negotiating in bad faith. Unforgiveable.

[BlueJac]

57. Jerk!

Mitch will now give you a Christmas gift, another knife to stick in the backs of the WV people!

[Thrill]

61. It's a shame someone from such a small state has this much power

Shameful.

[In It to Win It]

65. Well, lets collectively pretend to be shocked 😱