The Same People

[berni_mccoy]

The Same People who told us to trust Biden knows what he's doing when it comes to playing politics
The Same People who told us Manchin and Sinema are good Democrats
The Same People who told us to trust in the Democratic Leadership
The Same People who told us that Progressives shouldn't call Manchin out on his B.S.
The Same People who told us that Democrats have this under control when the BBB didn't pass by the first deadline
The Same People who told us to shut up and sit down when the BBB didn't pass the second deadline
The Same People who told us that the Progressives need to cave and let the BIF pass because Manchin and Sinema would vote for it

ARE NOW THE SAME PEOPLE who are telling us to trust that Garland is doing his job at the DOJ in prosecuting the top-down organizers of the Jan. 6 Conspiracy Against the United States and that we don't know what we are talking about and don't know that the DOJ ISN'T QUIETLY INVESTIGATING THESE TRAITORS.

WELL FORGIVE US For not believing you. The DOJ needs to start indicting those responsible. Scholars and former prosecutors like Laurence Tribe and Andrew Weissmann have said there is plenty of evidence for an investigation to have started long ago.

In the same time Garland has been in office, 281 days now, Mueller had already charged the following individuals:
Papadopoulos - 2 counts of false statements - 140 days
Rick Gates - 2 counts of conspiracy against the US - 164 days
Paul Manafort - 2 counts of conspiracy against the US - 164 days
Michael Flynn - 1 count false statements - 198 days
Richard Pinedo - 1 count identity fraud - 267 days

[brush]

1. You're right.

[Autumn]

2. You are right. And we are running out of time.

[Walleye]

3. Who is "us" and who is "you" in this story

If you are talking about Democrats, this is not helpful

[berni_mccoy]

4. The answer is obvious if you're a regular DUer

[Walleye]

5. Thanks for your reply..Still not helpful to the situation

[Beastly Boy]

6. A lot of unfounded accusations to fit in one post.

First off, the Same People who told us to trust Biden knows what he's doing when it comes to playing politics are NOT necessarily
the Same People who told us Manchin and Sinema are good Democrats, and the latter are NOT necessarily
the Same People who told us to trust in the Democratic Leadership, and the latter are NOT necessarily
the Same People who told us that Progressives shouldn't call Manchin out on his B.S., and the latter are NOT necessarily
the Same People who told us that Democrats have this under control when the BBB didn't pass by the first deadline, and the latter are NOT necessarily
the Same People who told us to shut up and sit down when the BBB didn't pass the second deadline, and the latter are NOT necessarily
the Same People who told us that the Progressives need to cave and let the BIF pass because Manchin and Sinema would vote for it, and the latter are NOT necessarily
the same people who are telling us to trust that Garland.

If you have any data that shows any correlation between the above groups, I would like to see it before I take your word for it.

Second, I doubt that you can document more that a couple of instances where people told you to trust Garland. But I am pretty sure there are plenty of people telling you to quit spamming this board with unfounded accusations against Garland. Can you even tell the difference between the two?

Finally, consider yourself forgiven for not believing me, or anyone else for that matter. In return, I hope that you will find it in your heart to forgive me for not believing you when you refuse to back up any of your oft repeated accusations without any supporting data to justify them.

Oh, a parting shot: Mueller didn't charge anyone with any crime since 2001. Get your facts strtaight before you post.

[berni_mccoy]

7. I love how you say my post is false but provide absolutely nothing to refute it

And then use absolutely incorrect statements in your response. Mueller and 2001? Lol

[Beastly Boy]

12. You are the one making the accusations. It's on you to back them up.

I am saying your accusations are unfounded because they are: there is no foundation in fact behind any of them. It's not on me to prove you wrong, it's on you to found your accusations if you don't want them to be laughed off.

As far as Mueller is concerned, I am absolutely correct in what I posted: Mueller had no authority to charge anyone with any crimes. He merely made referrals for prosecution to various DA offices, who had the exclusive authority to press criminal charges as per his referrals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_charges_brought_in_the_Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017%E2%80%932019)
The last time Mueller held a post in a DA office was 2001.

Another unfounded accusation, but who is counting, right?

[berni_mccoy]

14. Accusations? I can verify by fucking responses to my posts

Including from you.

[Beastly Boy]

20. I challenged your past accusations and you never addressed their foundation in fact.

You are welcome to prove me wrong, but for now, let's stop deflecting and let's go back to your OP and my response to it, shall we?

You stated that certain groups of people are the same people "who are telling us to trust that Garland is doing his job at the DOJ in prosecuting the top-down organizers of the Jan. 6 Conspiracy Against the United States". That's an accusation, and it's in your OP, word for word.

I challenged it on two fronts: one, I challenged you to provide any data that would as much as hint of the various groups of people you mentioned being in any way the same as those who are telling you to trust Garland. Two, I challenged you on your whole premise that anyone told you to trust Garland, rather than you confusing calls for you to quit spamming this board with unfounded accusations against Garland with people telling you to trust him.

I am still waiting for a response that has any relevance to either, but I am not holding my breath.

And I am glad to see that you, after further consideration, appear to agree that my statement about Mueller not charging anyone with a crime since 2001 is 100% accurate.

[Beastly Boy]

23. Now that's the spirit!

It takes courage to awkwardly avoid arguments you lost!

[berni_mccoy]

28. You must be looking in a mirror

[Cha]

68. lol..

or something

[sheshe2]

37. Well done, BB.

Thank you.

[berni_mccoy]

47. Give me an S! Give me an H! Give me an E!

Gooooo Sheshe! Rah rah!

[sheshe2]

49. I agree with the poster and not with you.

Mock me for it.

Sticks and Stones don't break my bones and names will not hurt me.

[berni_mccoy]

51. Good for you sheshe

Likewise.

[sheshe2]

52. Yet I never called you a derogatory name.

[George II]

67. Here's to you, She:

[sheshe2]

70. Thanks, George.

[Cha]

8. Mahalo, BB!!

[Beastly Boy]

13. Aloha, Cha! Good to hear from you.

[Cha]

22. Mahalo! Good to

see Reality Checks from you. Shine the Light!

[Beastly Boy]

26. Stay warm! (ha ha)

[berni_mccoy]

17. What happened to you?

You were a promising progressive during Obama’s years. Now, you are just giving up.

[George II]

30. From what I can see, she still is.

[berni_mccoy]

32. She's just another member of the cheerleading squad

From what progressives here can tell.

[George II]

40. Who here determines who is a "progressive" and who isn't? Is there a questionnaire or an exam?

[sheshe2]

50. I think it is a questionnaire.

[sheshe2]

42. Seriously?

The cheerleading squad? Then count me in. I am a Democrat and support them any way I can.

[berni_mccoy]

45. So noted.

[Cha]

59. I'm in Good Company. with VP Harris, Pres Obama,

Hillary.. All the Dems who are actually Cheering for our Democracy!

Fighting on the Frontlines to Keep the Fascists at bay.. Working their Hearts Out!

Thanks for the Badge of Honor!!

[Cha]

58. News Flash!! Pres Biden is PROGRESSIVE.. he gets

things DONE!

Thank Goodness he's our President.

He had excellent experience and Qualifications from being Pres Obama's VP.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

11. Good Post BB

[George II]

27. Wow, good job there BB! Thanks for the dose of reality.

[berni_mccoy]

46. Rah rah here we go. No one can say anything bad!

Gooooo Team!

[Skittles]

56. yes

it's becoming quite sickening indeed

[betsuni]

71. The point is that no one should be saying anything untrue and making everything personal

instead of discussing facts, having opinions based on facts.

But I guess there's a team of "No one can say saying good!" Whatever.

[lamp_shade]

9. Oh... it's you.

nt

[berni_mccoy]

15. Back at ya

[Cha]

24. lol.. Aloha lamp_shade!

Good to see you!

[lamp_shade]

25. Aloha back atcha, Cha.

Good to see you too.

[radius777]

10. Agree. It's usually the smug white moderate

who sits comfortably in society able to wave their pom poms from the sidelines.

The Dem base - which is not just 'leftists' but also PoC, young people, women, working class - has everything to lose by Dems failing to go to the mat and fighting hard for us. We are the reason why Dems are in power, and we are the ones they should be fighting for. BBB, Voting Rights, Criminal Justice Reform, Women's Rights/choice, protecting Democracy and prosecuting the seditionists within the GOP ie Trump and his crew.

[George II]

33. Many of the votes Dems got last year, and 3 years ago, and before were from "smug white moderates"

The Democratic Party is a big tent party (much to the chagrin of some who represent us in Congress) - it's made up of Americans from many backgrounds and demographics, including the "smug white moderates" you so willingly try to dismiss.

Plus, "moderate" is in the eyes of the beholder - many that you may consider "moderate" are far from being so, they're more progressive than those who call themselves progressive.

And we do NOT "wave pom poms from the sidelines"!!

[onecaliberal]

34. 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

[jalan48]

16. The "We got this" crowd always has an excuse when Dems fail to produce.

[TexasTowelie]

18. Another bashing Garland thread.

Quotas to meet after all.

[berni_mccoy]

19. Another fact based thread that shows maybe

Just maybe that Garland needs to answer the American people and calls to the carpet the cheerleading squad of DU.

[George II]

29. Next time Garland sends out an email blast with all the details of the people he's investigating....

....and the evidence he's gathered, I'll be sure to forward it to you.

[berni_mccoy]

31. It's actually DOJ policy to notify the public

About investigations that are a matter of public interest. And there is no excuse for not bringing charges against at least some of the organizers given what Mueller was able to do in half the time.

Keep cheerleading though. It only diminishes your BS.

[George II]

36. Not individuals, just organizations. Interesting reading here, though, enjoy:

https://www.justice.gov/news

[berni_mccoy]

38. Either. Read it again.

And this is a conspiracy.

[George II]

41. No. You said:

It's actually DOJ policy to notify the public

About investigations that are a matter of public interest.

That's true for organizations and foreign nationals, not individual Americans.

[George II]

53. How can people be wrong about something that hasn't happened yet?

[berni_mccoy]

54. It's obvious.

If you can't see it, you’re on the wrong side of it.

Weren’t you one of the fools telling me I should have faith the Dems will pass the BBB?

[George II]

55. Did I miss something? When was BBB voted down? I've got to pay more attention.

[Kaleva]

35. How do you plan on rectifying the situation?

[onenote]

39. Presumably the OP is going to do the following

He’s going to analyze and explain the statutory provisions he thinks provide a basis for an indictment along with the existing case law relevant to those provisions, identify with particularity the specific provable evidence supporting a conviction, consider the arguments likely to be made by the defendants, and describe how he will rebut those arguments.

[Kaleva]

44. Or he will just make a post venting his frustration and call it a day.

[Scrivener7]

62. Is that what you do when you comment? Or do you sometimes make comments when you see obvious

societal or governmental wrongs even when you don't have professional training in the areas they deal with?

Nevermind. I already know the answer. Because commenting on social and governmental wrongs is pretty much the basis for the existence of DU and you are here.

So I am guessing that sometimes you make comments here on issues for which you are not professionally trained.

What may have escaped you is that everyone else here is allowed to do the same.

[BlackSkimmer]

48. K and r. nt

[progressoid]

60. k/r

[Scrivener7]

61. As you know, I totally agree with you about Garland, but I still believe Biden knows politics.

His individual expertise was not enough to override Manchin's bad faith negotiations.

[treestar]

63. If L. Tribe and A. Weissmann are not actually in the office trying

to put the case together, how can they know?

[question everything]

64. Please get your facts right

"The Same People who told us that the Progressives need to cave and let the BIF pass because Manchin and Sinema would vote for it "

The Infrastructure bill first passed the Senate with many Republicans supporting it. Back in August. It was not up to Manchin and Sinema:

The US Senate passed a historic, sweeping $1.2 trillion bipartisan package on Tuesday by a bipartisan majority vote of 69-30 to shore up the nation's crumbling infrastructure with funding for priorities like roads, bridges, rail, transit and the electric grid.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/10/politics/republican-senators-voted-infrastructure-bill/index.html

So, yes, it was a historic badly needed vote that the House had to support. But the left wingers saw their change to hold this bill hostage to pass a more difficult and expensive bill that, as written had no chance to pass the Senate.

Not that it matters to you but this was as far as I got in reading your... whatever.

[MineralMan]

65. That is true, of course.

But, it doesn't agree with the poster's general attack on anyone who is not sufficiently "progressive" to please the poster, I'm afraid. The Infrastructure Bill is not directly connected with the BBB. Some wanted it to be, because it was a bipartisan bill, and the BBB is not.

So, the Infrastructure bill passed and was signed by President Biden. So far, the BBB has not passed in the Senate, and may not without some major changes. A couple of Democratic Senators won't vote for it as it is. So, either it dies in the Senate or it is modified enought to get all 50 Democrats to vote for it. That's reality, if not the reality that we want.

Bottom line is that we need to elect more Democrats to the Senate. We have a chance to do that in 2022 and another chance in 2024. I hope we will all work together to make that happen. We can, if we will.

[pwb]

66. This seems to repeat for you Berni.

We shouldn't be picking a fight with the people on our side. We all vote for people we trust to do the right thing. So far I see that and have no complaints. Time and the Law move differently right. Pushing hard like you have been doing lately doesn't seem to be working here. Older members just like you are saying wait a minute to you. Come back to being just a democrat Berni it is nicer. Hope you are O K.

[JustAnotherGen]

69. Only if there is serious prison time with the charges

Papadopoulos - 2 counts of false statements - 140 days - Out free
Rick Gates - 2 counts of conspiracy against the US - 164 days - Slap on wrist
Paul Manafort - 2 counts of conspiracy against the US - 164 days - out free
Michael Flynn - 1 count false statements - 198 days - out free and doing the same things
Richard Pinedo - 1 count identity fraud - 267 days - out free


I want people to go to prison for a very long time - not the 'joke' that those folks up above made of our criminal justice system.

[betsuni]

72. ...

[Cha]

73. I literally..

lol

[CrackityJones75]

74. So much wrong with this post.

Shame to see it here.

[CrackityJones75]

75. I remember this type of talk from people

I remember this type of talk from people here who eventually went and sprouted up their own website. Planted a nee tree you might say. They didn’t know JACK about being a democrat.Man they were really some type of radicals. Always pining for everyone else to see it their way and they knew better than everyone else.

[Budi]

76. Appears they never realy left, did they.

Its a Free-for-all & fraying at the ends with sabotuers in the house.

Needs attention. 🤨

[CrackityJones75]

77. Agreed.